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Wild Animals
« on: December 10, 2015, 10:25:26 »
How are combat related trades like infantrymen, combat eng, armored, etc, trained to deal with wild animals when it comes to self-defense?


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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2015, 10:31:37 »
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2015, 10:36:59 »
How are combat related trades like infantrymen, combat eng, armored, etc, trained to deal with wild animals when it comes to self-defense?

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2015, 10:41:15 »
I have seen Rangers used in the north for polar bears, and I have seen shotguns deployed in other places where there was a particular concern.  However, generally we just avoid the animals and maintain clean bivouacs. 

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2015, 10:44:13 »
I recall quality time in Gagetown in my mis-spent youth chasing members of the Royal Bear Regiment out of our bivouac with thunderflashes.

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2015, 11:22:47 »
I recall quality time in Gagetown in my mis-spent youth chasing members of the Royal Bear Regiment out of our bivouac with thunderflashes.

The Air Force has been known to use "bear bangers" at mess dinners.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trial-ordered-in-bear-banger-case-1.261068
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2015, 11:32:21 »
I have seen Rangers used in the north for polar bears, and I have seen shotguns deployed in other places where there was a particular concern.
Those are pretty tough Rangers if you use them instead of long arms against polar bears  ;D
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2015, 13:23:10 »
Those are pretty tough Rangers if you use them instead of long arms against polar bears  ;D

I don't remember the details very well, but a guy on my basic who was remustering from the army (medic or supply tech can't remember) said that when he was posted up North (Alert? details fuzzy...) there was an occasion where he or someone else (again, details fuzzy) encountered a polar bear, and it "attacked" them. They had their C7s with them for just this potential eventuality. He said they had to unload an entire magazine before the Bear went down.
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2015, 13:31:07 »

I don't remember the details very well, but a guy on my basic who was remustering from the army (medic or supply tech can't remember) said that when he was posted up North (Alert? details fuzzy...) there was an occasion where he or someone else (again, details fuzzy) encountered a polar bear, and it "attacked" them. They had their C7s with them for just this potential eventuality. He said they had to unload an entire magazine before the Bear went down.
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That just may be a 'CF Arctic myth'. I've heard the same story except with FN's in the 70's. The entry and exit wounds would be much larger...

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2015, 13:41:25 »
I was a safety man up north during a deployment in the mid '70s. I carried a FN with 20 rounds of Dominion .308 Winchester soft points. My ROEs were simple. If I brought one down, it better have powder burns on the fur.
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2015, 22:30:24 »
How are combat related trades like infantrymen, combat eng, armored, etc, trained to deal with wild animals when it comes to self-defense?

Short answer: They're not.

Long answer: Read all the foregoing. (tl;dr: CAF members get trained to use a rifle, and issued ammunition and told to shoot if and when a credible threat may exist, which will never happen for most members.)

Mall ninja answer: Watch relevant and non-relevant Youtube videos, convince self of superiority over potential threat due to being a thinking and tool making primate, and buy a really ******* big anti-tank knife.

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Re: Wild Animals
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2015, 23:32:03 »
We did a Northern Viking (?) sovereignty exercise in Arviat in 1988, and since the C7s were not considered adequate defense against a polar bear each of our patrols had Rangers with .303s. Good thing we never considered going to war against the polar bears . . .

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2015, 07:22:32 »
The mosquitoes are what you should really worry about. As Willy P said to me, "I need more bug juice, the mosquitoes out there will carry you away."
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 09:47:56 »
A general rule with all bears is don't shoot them in the head, it just pi$$es them off.  I can't imagine a C7 5.56mm round would have enough kinietic energy to seriously slow down an angry polar bear quickly enough.  The FN's 7.62mm round would have a better chance.  In either case, be prepared to shoot a lot and keep moving.
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2015, 10:02:54 »
As I have been told by an Inuit elder in the Rangers, if confronted by a polar bear, always run and break to the left, by and large polar bears are right handed, and that way you will survive at least another 15 to 20 seconds more.

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2015, 10:05:19 »
Wild animals are dangerous in their natural habitats (Legions, Country bars), so avoid them. If you somehow get dragged home by a cougar, know that they can be particularly vicious when you're leaving in the morning and you recognize her daughter in the kitchen. In that situation, your only hope is to run;  playing dead will just set you up for a mother/daughter ***-kicking.   :nod:

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2015, 11:19:14 »
The mosquitoes are what you should really worry about. As Willy P said to me, "I need more bug juice, the mosquitoes out there will carry you away."

t thought they did carry you off? You disappeared once on FTX and it took me weeks to do all the paper work before DW would issue me a replacement
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2015, 15:18:08 »
Jees, I can't believe no one has said the "whack the person in your section/troop/det you hate the most in the kneecap" technique yet... ;D
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2015, 15:28:59 »
Jees, I can't believe no one has said the "whack the person in your section/troop/det you hate the most in the kneecap" technique yet... ;D

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2015, 22:14:47 »
How are combat related trades like infantrymen, combat eng, armored, etc, trained to deal with wild animals when it comes to self-defense?

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2015, 22:24:08 »
..., and that way you will survive at least another 15 to 20 seconds more.

So, just enough time to update my facebook status.    [:D

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2015, 23:08:47 »
If you somehow get dragged home by a cougar, know that they can be particularly vicious when you're leaving in the morning and you recognize her daughter in the kitchen. In that situation, your only hope is to run;  playing dead will just set you up for a mother/daughter ***-kicking.   :nod:

I actually have a story about that......
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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2015, 23:11:32 »
I actually have a story about that......

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Re: Wild Animals
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2015, 23:13:43 »
I actually have a story about that......

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