Topic: What will happen with the CF?

[Lance Wiebe]

Actually, no, there wouldn't be a tie.

One of the 308 MP's will be the Speaker of the House.

Word is, the speakers position has been offered to the Bloc, of all parties!

This will effectively steal one vote from any Bloc/conservative vote, so a vote would end up as 153/154, assuming the independant votes with the conservatives.

This makes Cadmans' vote even more critical.  He actually holds the balance of power!

[Marauder]

I think we got the shaft with anything short of a Conservative majority. With the minority scenario, the Forces get lost in the shuffle as the ruling party plays Mom, Molson, and Medicare legislation. The CPC will be too busy buying influence and swaying voters for when the new gov goes to the polls again in 18 months time with the hope of getting an even bigger slice of the pie. In the meantime, they will back off playing hardball with defence issues or reforming the "justice" system *snort* They'll have the sting fresh in their minds of what happened when certain party members slipped off the leash and spoke their mind on their convictions and principles, and the resultant furor of the loony left that turned centerists chicken in the voting booth. The CPC and the libs will both hem and haw and wring their hands about improving defence, but any budgetary increase will only be enough to pay outstanding bills (if that) or the cash will just disappear into the waiting maw of NDHQ's large black hole. That's my prediction anyway.
Stick the fork in, we're just about done.

[CF104Starfighter]

I think some people should also keep in mind that the independant is a former Conservative that was dropped from the Conservatives, for whatever reason, I don't know...I thought it was controversial comments, but I can't be sure.  This could be a good or a bad thing, as he's said that if he was invited to join the CPC, he would take it to his constituents, and he thinks that he won because people were PO'ed about him losing the CPC nomination. 

[Brad Sallows]

The elected independent, Chuck Cadman, lost the Conservative nomination in his riding because another Conservative candidate stuffed the nomination process with delegates.  Cadman said nothing controversial and was not dropped from the Conservatives for any other reason.  Cadman won because voters like him; the margin of victory may have been greater because some voters disliked what happened during the nomination process.

[CF104Starfighter]

Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

[muskrat89]

I thought I should bump this thread back to the top, now that the Liberals are (supposedly) robbing the Air Force and Navy to form the "peacekeeping brigade"     

[Lance Wiebe]

Whiskey asked a series of questions on the Air Force/Navy thread, basically asking what Now?

I feel that this may be a better forum to maybe partially answer his questions, but also to start up a new line of thought.

It seems to me that we now have positive proof of the way ahead for Canada.  We, as Canadians, will no longer rely on our own resources to do anything.  We are subjugating ourselves, as a nation, to the United Nations.  We will not intervene militarily anywhere, unless the UN asks us too.  We will become a nation governed by that most illustrious body, the UN.  Why, the UN can solve all of the world's problems, why is there a need for us to have an Armed Force?

The way of the future?  Our army will be modelled on what our government percieves as the needs of the United Nations.  We obviously do not need fighter aircraft and destroyers for peacekeeping.  Tanks?  M109's?  General Warfighting capabilities?  Objects of derision, to be done away with, relegated to the history books.

Instead, we will have a brigade, or maybe more than one, of cuddly, blue beret wearing "peace soldiers".  Imagine, for a moment, one of these "soldiers",  lovingly pictured in liberal propaganda books holding a starving child, with tears streaming down his/her (preferably her) cheeks, as she feeds the poor child some of her rations.  Oh, can you imagine?  Images such as this would be enough to give our peace loving politicians wet dreams. 

And what if our "peace soldiers" need some protection?  What if someone actually (gasp) tries to shoot one of our "soldiers"?  Well, then, obviously, with great reluctance, we may have to send a cadre of professional soldiers.  Maybe one of the three remaining platoons of Infantry soldiers. (for that is all that will remain)

Can't you just picture this?  Can't you see how this will place Martin firmly in the history books, as one of the worlds' great visionaries?

Oh, darn. 

I can't keep this up.

I feel ill.  Very, very ill..........

[jrhume]

Hmm.   Lance, could it really get that bad?   I wonder what would happen if Canada swore off armed forces . . . .  

News Flash!   July 4, 2006, Dateline: Quantico Marine Base

President Bush, speaking to a zealous crowd of Marines recently returned from Iran, announced the creation of a new unit, the 16th Marine Regiment (Canadian).   The new regiment will be formed along the lines of the already existing US Army 91st Armored Cavalry Brigade (Canadian) and the US Air Force 410th Fighter Squadron, A-10 (Canadian).  

Each unit is only open to Canadian citizens and part of their enlistment contract states that, should their home country ever decide to have a military force again, they are free to elect to return home and take up duties in such forces.

"They just want to fight in the War on Terror, darn it!" said the President.  

Pentagon sources say that, since Canada already has peacekeepers in North Korea assisting in the humanitarian disaster there, the new regiment will likely join other Marines off the coast of Syria.

After the President' speech, US Marines gathered around to meet their northern neighbors.   They spent the afternoon drinking beer and practicing ending each sentence with 'eh?'.

"Yanks are all right," said one Canadian corporal, brandishing a Molson's beer bottle.   "But they'll be better once we've shown 'em how to fight, eh?"     

[Bruce Monkhouse [5]]

The truth hurts like a poker in the eye!

[Lance Wiebe]

Every time I think of it, I feel nauseated.

But the addle-headed average Canadian will applaud the changes, I think.

[whiskey601]

Service by a Canadian in the US military is something I know nothing of. Is it even possible to serve in the US and keep your Canadian citizenship? I know there are restrictions on the US physically recruiting up here, and I would be surprised if an applicant with sole Canadian citizenship could get in and keep their Canadian citizenship, but I suppose someone out there would know the answer?   

[Lone Wolf AT]

The US has members serving in the military that aren't even American citizens yet.  I saw it on the news months ago with regards to the Iraq war.  One of the soliders that was killed wasn't a citizen of the US.  I could have heard it wrong but I'm pretty sure thats what happened.

[Lt. Havoc]

You know what i think? When  the CF is deminished becuase it gets no funding, then Canada will be invaded...and as the enemy's troops poor into the PM's hiding place wherever it may be... he will wish that he had given more funding to the CF...Thats just what i think...but lets hope it doesn't get that far...


  For Canada 

[Infanteer]

Thanks for the post, now can you leave your juvenile opinions at the door.   We are looking for input that contains thought and understanding, not something that just chews up bandwidth.

[Sundborg]

Havoc...  How old are you?  11?  12?