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Somalia scandal
« on: October 15, 2004, 19:08:23 »
I read on the AJAG site that they were going to put Mcpl? Matchee on trial for the incident. I wonder if they think he is well enough to stand trial.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 19:14:55 »
Spelling aside, post where you are getting this info from, LMP/BC.??

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 19:22:36 »
From the DND AJAG site. I dont think i can get it from my home computer so i will get it on monday and post it here. They list all the court marshal's on that site, as well as appeals.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 19:35:49 »
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   ACCUSED                           LOCATION
   Ex-MCpl Matchee   HMCS UNICORN, 405 - 24th St., E., Saskatoon, SK

Charges   1. s. 130 NDA, s. 235(1) CCC, murder.
                        2. s. 130 NDA, s. 269.1 CCC, torture.

An inquiry has been convened, pursuant to the National Defence Act section 202.12, to determine whether sufficient evidence can be adduced to put the accused person on trial.  

DECISION: On 21 Sep 04, the Court found sufficient evidence had been established to put the accused person on trial for these charges.

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 19:43:30 »
Hmm..  Still can't find it, and it's not in their calendar for at least the next 4 months... Could you please post the link?

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 19:46:04 »
I've spoken to quite a few people (ex-CAR friends of mine) who have run into him over time (some even at NDMC) who say that he's not as bad off as they made him out to be. Interesting that the service is going to try him after all.

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 19:47:12 »
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 19:50:45 »
If its the same Matchee, I'm surprised the press has not latched on to this yet.

On an antoher note: there's an HMCS Unicorn? Damn ... ???

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 19:57:31 »
If its the same Matchee, I'm surprised the press has not latched on to this yet.

On an antoher note: there's an HMCS Unicorn? darn ... ???

Its the same guy, Media wouldnt know unless they read the site that i posted. HMCS Unicorn is a reserve unit.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 19:59:02 »
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 20:01:59 »
i agree
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 21:45:03 »
Its my understanding that periodically doctors would check to see if he regained the mental capacity which would determine if he was fit to stand trial.

You someone is going to spin this into the military punishing the mentally disabled regardless of the facts.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2004, 23:16:44 »
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HMCS Unicorn is a reserve unit
Damn ... is their an HMCS Teddy Bear or an HMCS Rainbow too?  ;D

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 23:26:34 »
There was an HMCS RAINBOW, I think. UNICORN was also a U-Class sub of the RN during WWII. Ships of the Commonwealth have had a variety of interesting names. Canadian destroyers were usually named for rivers (OTTAWA, GATINEAU, RESTIGOUCHE) or native tribes (ATHABASKAN, HURON). Escort ships in WWII were named for towns - the ships were the same as British FLOWER class though (I don't think there was an HMS BUTTERCUP, but some of the others were entertaining).

My personal favorite ship name is that of an aircraft carrier the RCN crewed in WWII: HMS PUNCHER.

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 23:33:46 »
From Somalia to Unicorns.  Go figure.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2004, 00:19:42 »
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From Somalia to Unicorns.   Go figure.
It's in the published information; the court martialed is to be held at the HMCS Unicorn in Saskatoon.

Well, that, and I have been partaking of alcohol laced libations for past few hours.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2004, 01:08:18 »
While I can't really comment on a case that is before a Court Martial, I just hope that this is not a signal for enemies of the Forces, Scott Taylor, Col Drapeau, various other "military experts" etc to crawl out of the woodwork and drag the Army back to the low spot it was in public estimation ten years ago. Alot of good soldiers, at all rank levels, have gotten on with their jobs and repaired our reputation to a great extent-I don't want to see this all trashed. Cheers.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2004, 02:09:57 »
Come on, PBI, You know they are licking thier lips in anticipation. New publicity and no work required for it.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2004, 02:28:57 »
They'll probably ask that clown who put down the subs for his input.  Bald guy with glasses.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2004, 05:10:21 »
They'll probably ask that clown who put down the subs for his input. Bald guy with glasses.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Cheers.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2004, 08:25:40 »
They'll probably ask that clown who put down the subs for his input.   Bald guy with glasses.

Well, he can slam the forces all he wants, that's his right, we all know what he stands for and DND had better be preapred for it this time. But, if he starts slagging individuals by name, he better be prepared to prove his statements, or he is defintely going to get a statement of claim shoved down his throat. Too many good people have dedicated the better part of their careers turning the forces around from the whole sad story, and I sincerely hope that they do not sit back and take it on the chin this time. [you know who I am talking about.]

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2004, 11:02:55 »
Just to be nitpicky HMCS Rainbow was a west coast submarine in the 60's and 70's

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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2004, 14:07:35 »
Kyle Brown this, Kyle Brown that.  CAR=bunch of thugs etc etc etc.
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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2004, 14:26:34 »
I don't imagine that this is going to bring an outcry from the public.  In fact this topic has already hit the papers on a number of occasions this year.

The proceedings (which have to happen every two years) was to determine whether they could go ahead with charges.  They found that there was sufficient evidence to go forward with the trial, which doesn't address the relevant question anyways...That being if the accused has the mental capacity to face the charge.

This article may clarify further....

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/09/21/638202-cp.html

Hopefully the law will be changed so that we can put his behind us once and for all.


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Re: Somalia scandel
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2004, 14:43:21 »
Well that article says that the proceedings of a court martial aren't going to happen.  Just that there is enough evidence to prosecute him if he was found mentally fit, which doctors have said will never happen.
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