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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3075 on: January 07, 2017, 12:43:42 »
There's nothing wrong with engaging in a little fantasy with all these opinion and speculation pieces. Sometimes fantasy is all you have to comfort you in your days of woe.

You live in Indiana? Celebrate!

Personally, this thread makes me celebrate living in Canada.  :)
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3076 on: January 07, 2017, 12:58:25 »
You live in Indiana? Celebrate!

Personally, this thread makes me celebrate living in Canada.  :)

No need for celebration. The system is designed to work no matter who is driving the bus. Sometimes the bus misses a few stops or runs over somebody but it still chugs along and most of the people get to their destination. There is no need for any fear mongering at all, it serves no useful purpose.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3077 on: January 07, 2017, 13:47:59 »
There is no need for any fear mongering at all, it serves no useful purpose.

Like posting Fake News - in huge yellow font?  :)

"6 Dead After Truck Collides With Anti-Trump Protesters On Freeway".
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108210.msg1471183.html#msg1471183
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How's that for "engaging in a little fantasy" ?  :)

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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3078 on: January 07, 2017, 14:51:22 »
Like posting Fake News - in huge yellow font?  :)

"6 Dead After Truck Collides With Anti-Trump Protesters On Freeway".
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108210.msg1471183.html#msg1471183
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How's that for "engaging in a little fantasy" ?  :)


Because people stupid enough to try and block vehicles with their bodies never happens? 

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Nqhd1btYLIY    anti Trump rally

Just  watched a half dozen great videos of protestors learning about human vehicle physics you should check them out.


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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3079 on: January 07, 2017, 15:09:28 »
Just  watched a half dozen great videos of protestors learning about human vehicle physics you should check them out.

No thanks.  I've seen enough "human vehicle physics".  Don't need to re-live it on Youtube.

But, I do believe you. In fact, I believe you ain't seen nothing yet!

Shocked and appalled by what is happening in the US?: Yes.
Surprised? : No, can't say that I am.

Matter of fact, I know it's in poor taste, but since we are still  on the subject of "human vehicle physics", how about a pool? 
( Fatal and non-fatal shootings, stabbings, vehicular, roof toss, a$$ stomping etc. ) for Inauguration Day 2017.

Place your bets gentlemen! ( I don't believe there are any ladies posting in this thread? )

No gambling or money involved. Bragging rights only to the winner!

Never was soooo thankful to live in Canada.   :)






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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3080 on: January 07, 2017, 15:27:53 »
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3081 on: January 07, 2017, 15:59:48 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ht6gi5jsE

https://thefederalist.com/2017/01/06/joe-biden-electoral-college-truthers/

Joe Biden To Electoral College Truthers: 'It's Over' - The Federalist

Biden will be 78 years old in 2020! Woah, baby!  The one who just got in already broke the age record.

Reagan was only 77 when he finished  his second term as president.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3082 on: January 07, 2017, 16:24:04 »
If we are going to speculate, what about Hillary in 2020? On first blush, one could or should imagine politically she is as dead as a Norwegian Blue Parrot. But is she? She must have considerable appeal to the heartstrings of the Democratic Party. Their movers and shakers and their deep pocketed Hollywood friends could convince themselves that the American people will come to their senses about January 21st and realize it was all a terrible mistake.

Does she have a chance. That was a question they should have asked themselves a year or two ago? Well, if one does an estimate and gets the Enemy paragraph wrong, don't be surprised if the operation bombs. In this case, they considered the wrong enemy, picking the GOP establishment instead of the voters they took for granted. I suspect they will do it again, which does not rule out Mrs Clinton.

I am writing this from a RV park in rural southern Arizona populated roughly by 2/3 Americans and 1/3 Canadians, all over 55. The Americans to a very large extent proudly proclaim they voted for Mr Trump and probably would do it again. And they are not the deplorables Hillary painted them to be; but they are terribly annoyed at the mess the progressive elites made of the country.

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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3083 on: January 07, 2017, 16:24:51 »
One man tried to stop much more.....

https://youtu.be/YeFzeNAHEhU



He's a hero for standing alone and unarmed against real tyranny (you can hear the shots being fired into the crowd in the background), while the current protesters are attempting to de legitimatize the freely given votes of millions of Americans. If the anti-Trump protesters had their way, they would be driving those columns of tanks. Just like the waves of republican protestors rioted in American cities and had public meltdowns on all the major TV networks in 2008 and 2012...oh, wait...
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3084 on: January 07, 2017, 16:48:40 »
Just like the waves of republican protestors rioted in American cities and had public meltdowns on all the major TV networks in 2008 and 2012...oh, wait...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=obama+protest&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjxbLT_LDRAhVB8GMKHXpWBRAQ_AUICSgC&biw=1536&bih=723

If you wish to discuss the 2008 and 2012 election results, there's not much to compare,

Barrack Obama in 2008 Popular Vote: 69,498,516   Electoral 365 

Barrack Obama in 2012 Popular Vote: 65,915,795   Electoral  332

Prohibited from serving third term.

Donald Trump in 2016   Popular Vote: 62,979,879   Electoral: 304


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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3085 on: January 07, 2017, 17:17:43 »
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Never was soooo thankful to live in Canada.   :)

And you have Trump winning the election to thank for exposing how insane the Liberal left with their safe spaces and everyone is special has become.

Can you imagine if Hillary would have won and they were emboldened by the win?   Maybe male user names like yours would be banned for triggering non-males or being a macro aggression lol

Trumps win made living with the emperor-selfie a bit more tolerable.

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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3086 on: January 07, 2017, 17:32:24 »
MM, the Trump win must really bother you. 

With all that was going on during the election for anyone to say they are completely shocked by this result, well maybe it is time for a little self reflection. 

Don't get so cozey in Canada.  The LPC is flirting with the same stupid stuff that sunk the Democrats. 

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« Reply #3087 on: January 07, 2017, 17:40:33 »
MM, the Trump win must really bother you. 

QV, the Trudeau win must really bother you.

See, I can do that to!  :)

Like I said, what I see happening on the streets of America just makes me appreciate living in Canada.  :)

I figured there would be riots no matter which one got in.

With all due respect to Radio Chatter, it's not my source for news,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=if+trump+loses+violence&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-CA%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A2016-11-09&tbm=

Don't get so cozey in Canada.  The LPC is flirting with the same stupid stuff that sunk the Democrats.

Their political system is what sank the Democrats.

She got 3 million more votes than he did.

Fortunately, unlike in the US, at this point at least, most Canadians seem satisfied with taking out their political frustrations on their keyboards, with a lot of those  >:D
things.  :)

I've lived through 13 Prime Ministers. You should ask me if I ever  gave a frig about which political party got in.  :)

When Canadians start rioting in the streets before the next Prime Minister is sworn in - or secret handshake or however they do it - THEN I will GAF about party politics.

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up Canadian party politics in this thread?

With all that was going on during the election for anyone to say they are completely shocked by this result, well maybe it is time for a little self reflection. 

I said I am shocked and appalled by rioting. Guess I was not specific enough? My next sentence was, "Surprised? : No, can't say that I am."

If we are going to speculate, what about Hillary in 2020?

Even though she got 3 million more votes, she's seen as damaged goods now, I suspect.

Kim Kardashian might have a better shot at it. And, after this election, who can say she is not qualified?! :)


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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3088 on: January 07, 2017, 18:35:16 »
If we are going to speculate, what about Hillary in 2020? On first blush, one could or should imagine politically she is as dead as a Norwegian Blue Parrot. But is she? She must have considerable appeal to the heartstrings of the Democratic Party. Their movers and shakers and their deep pocketed Hollywood friends could convince themselves that the American people will come to their senses about January 21st and realize it was all a terrible mistake.

Does she have a chance. That was a question they should have asked themselves a year or two ago? Well, if one does an estimate and gets the Enemy paragraph wrong, don't be surprised if the operation bombs. In this case, they considered the wrong enemy, picking the GOP establishment instead of the voters they took for granted. I suspect they will do it again, which does not rule out Mrs Clinton.

I am writing this from a RV park in rural southern Arizona populated roughly by 2/3 Americans and 1/3 Canadians, all over 55. The Americans to a very large extent proudly proclaim they voted for Mr Trump and probably would do it again. And they are not the deplorables Hillary painted them to be; but they are terribly annoyed at the mess the progressive elites made of the country.

Only is someone nails her to the perch.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3089 on: January 07, 2017, 19:43:12 »
So, just how should one view the Open Societies Foundation - which gets involved in elections internationally, including Canadian ones, and not only promotes "democracy" as an institution, but backs positions, parties and politicians.

Or Brits and Yanks offering opinions on Quebec referenda?  Or foreigners offering advice on Alberta oilsands development?
If you consider these state-vs-state poking (and these examples are mostly NGO's & individuals - conspiracies/funding notwithstanding), let's not forget this one or, closer to home, this one if we're going to complain about political interference ...

I've heard/seen/read more than a complaint or two about all of the above, especially on some of the fora here (Open Society Institute, "celebrity foreign busybodies" on the oil sands), so if concern about one type of interference is OK, it must also be OK to be concerned about other interference.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3090 on: January 07, 2017, 21:31:10 »
If you consider these state-vs-state poking (and these examples are mostly NGO's & individuals - conspiracies/funding notwithstanding), let's not forget this one or, closer to home, this one if we're going to complain about political interference ...

I've heard/seen/read more than a complaint or two about all of the above, especially on some of the fora here (Open Society Institute, "celebrity foreign busybodies" on the oil sands), so if concern about one type of interference is OK, it must also be OK to be concerned about other interference.

I agree.  It is OK to be concerned about all types of interference.  And the NGO thing - a bit hard to swallow when the NGO is explicitly backing one party over another.  Harder still when, in many countries, governments own companies while in other companies own governments.   Kind of fuzzy in places.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3091 on: January 07, 2017, 21:37:24 »
...  the NGO thing - a bit hard to swallow when the NGO is explicitly backing one party over another ...
Not to mention who's funding them - hence my disclaimer.
Harder still when, in many countries, governments own companies while in other companies own governments.
Very true dat!
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3092 on: January 10, 2017, 16:21:17 »
A couple of useful Trump articles.

One - a reasoned liberal view of why Trump.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-establishment-cultural-significance-explained-540213

Two - a reasoned conservative view of what Trump.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443667/trumpism-tradition-populism-american-greatness-strong-military
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3093 on: January 10, 2017, 21:28:52 »
Their political system is what sank the Democrats.

Sigh. The Electoral College system has been in place since the dawn of the Republic, so if the Democrats somehow forgot how their own system worked, then it sucks to be them. Anyway, their ideas on the EC are situational, see:

Slate published an article about how great the Electoral College is in 2012: …
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html

Slate published an article in 2016 on why the Electoral college was an anachronism and could be quickly abolished: …
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html

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She got 3 million more votes than he did.

Again totally irrelevant. How many home runs did Peyton Manning score to win Super Bowl 50? And the Green Party exposed some pretty interesting examples of voter fraud in their quest for a recount, so I'd take that vote count with a grain of salt.

The essential point of the post upthread is the LPC seems to have taken the lessons of the Brexit and the US Presidential Elections to heart, and are looking to ensure the voters are not going to be able to do that here in Canada. Can't let those deplorables make decisions for the nation, now. Ibbitson's book "The Big Shift" suggests that the ground is shifting under the Ontario-Quebec axis, or Laurentian Elites, if you prefer, and they are going to game the system much like the political elites in other nations and fight to the last taxpayer to maintain their positions, power and privileges.

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When Canadians start rioting in the streets before the next Prime Minister is sworn in - or secret handshake or however they do it - THEN I will GAF about party politics.

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up Canadian party politics in this thread?

I said I am shocked and appalled by rioting. Guess I was not specific enough? My next sentence was, "Surprised? : No, can't say that I am."

Even though she got 3 million more votes, she's seen as damaged goods now, I suspect.

Kim Kardashian might have a better shot at it. And, after this election, who can say she is not qualified?! :)
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3094 on: January 10, 2017, 21:56:46 »
The Electoral College system has been in place since the dawn of the Republic,

That could be the problem.

North Dakota and South Dakota may not mind it, but New York and California might.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3095 on: January 10, 2017, 22:29:49 »
Stand by. Predict Trump won't last as president 2 years, let alone the next 2 months...


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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3096 on: January 10, 2017, 22:58:18 »
North Dakota and South Dakota may not mind it, but New York and California might.

And that is precisely one of the things that the Electoral College is designed to do - prevent one or two small areas with certain interests from controlling the rest of the country, which has differing interests, in perpetuity.

It seems to surprise citizens of Toronto that the rest of Canada does not think like them, and does not wish to be ruled by them.

Having watched this US election much more closely than any in the past, and being quite satisfied with the result, I have developed a much greater understanding of US politics and their electoral system.

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« Reply #3097 on: January 10, 2017, 23:02:52 »
It seems to surprise citizens of Toronto that the rest of Canada does not think like them, and does not wish to be ruled by them.

My reply is here,
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,124115.msg1471885.html#msg1471885

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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3098 on: January 10, 2017, 23:19:11 »
And that is precisely one of the things that the Electoral College is designed to do - prevent one or two small areas with certain interests from controlling the rest of the country, which has differing interests, in perpetuity.

It seems to surprise citizens of Toronto that the rest of Canada does not think like them, and does not wish to be ruled by them.

Having watched this US election much more closely than any in the past, and being quite satisfied with the result, I have developed a much greater understanding of US politics and their electoral system.

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It’s important to remember that from the moment Pierre Trudeau retired, there ceased to be anyone in power in Ottawa who would defend federalism on intellectual grounds. From Brian Mulroney’s cravenness towards the provinces to Jean Chrétien’s refusal to even think about the problem, two political generations were suckled on the conviction that the separatists had the arguments while the federalists had to rely on sentiment.

And thus, in my opinion, the value of the Electoral College. 

Canadian federalists have forgotten this was a confederation of autonomous colonies, all equal.
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Re: US Election: 2016
« Reply #3099 on: January 10, 2017, 23:44:12 »
And thus, in my opinion, the value of the Electoral College. 

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