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Ebola: outbreak, Canadian/other response (merged)
« on: September 04, 2014, 16:50:22 »
If the president of MSF (Doctors without Borders) thinks military assistance may be required, then the situation is bad.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/msf-call-for-military-medical-help-with-ebola-response-shows-outbreaks-severity-273708951.html?cx_navSource=d-more-news

This outbreak is different and worth watching as it's impact on the economic stability and security of the region is in jeopardy.
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 10:33:47 »
It's already gutting a very fragile medical system there, so even if this one gets contained, the next one won't.

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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 00:12:36 »
It puzzles me a little that the wealthier and currently unaffected countries of the world are not pouring resources in to decisively contain and end this outbreak before it ends up on their doorsteps (airports).
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 06:20:04 »
It puzzles me a little that the wealthier and currently unaffected countries of the world are not pouring resources in to decisively contain and end this outbreak before it ends up on their doorsteps (airports).

It seems to me that the modern world isn't too concerned because of how hard the virus is to spread. If it was airborne we would have already seen all travel to and from that part of the world shut down until the epidemic passed.

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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 10:21:48 »
There will be tentative attempts by well meaning/capable people, but the mindset of the western and eastern nations not affected will be "just another little African crisis".

The fastest way for this to be fought effectively is for it to show up in the "west".....
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 11:19:02 »
I realize everyone makes plans based on the assumption an outbreak always burns out quickly.

The economic cost of a panic if a single case is discovered "in the wild" (ie. outside a research centre, hospital, etc) in North America may be considerable.
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 12:05:54 »
I think that it is nearly a certainty that there will be cases in North America and Europe, probably before the end of October.



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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 12:15:56 »
Just a thought, is there not some way we could introduce this virus to ISIS?
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2014, 12:36:28 »
Something like that almost always backfires...

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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2014, 14:45:01 »
Something like that almost always backfires...

Quite right....but one can imagine.... >:D
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 16:20:16 »
Quite right....but one can imagine.... >:D

Think about their poor goats though and what would become of them. :-\
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 16:35:04 »
Just a thought, is there not some way we could introduce this virus to ISIS?

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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 16:45:00 »
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Re: West Africa Ebola outbreak
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2014, 20:59:08 »
Tom Clancy "Executive Orders"  :-X

I remember that book. Good read.

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Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 16:01:52 »
I am starting this in the International Defence and Security Forum because it is a serious Security Threat, as well as a Biological Defence issue.

We all heard in the news about the Doctors and Nurse who were brought back to the US from Liberia to be treated for Ebola, which so far seems to have been successful.  In the past week, the man in Texas who had Ebola has died and one of the Health Care workers who was treating him has developed symptoms.  We also saw a few scares where people were cleared of having Ebola, one of them in Toronto.  Now we have two cases in Ontario, one in Ottawa and another in Belleville, of people who have developed symptoms.  With the freedom of movement in today's age, the spread of these infectious diseases are proving difficult to contain under current Laws and Regulations.

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Patient at the Ottawa Hospital being tested for Ebola

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Published Monday, October 13, 2014 12:35PM EDT
Last Updated Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47PM EDT

A patient with Ebola-like symptoms at the Ottawa Hospital’s General Campus is being tested for Ebola.

Ottawa Public Health says the patient, whose age and gender is not being revealed, recently visited a West African country affected by Ebola.

The patient arrived at the hospital on Sunday, and has been placed in isolation until the source of his illness is clear.

Public Health says the patient is “doing well.” Specimens from the patient are being sent to the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg for testing. Results are expected later on Monday.

“All necessary precautions are being taken to ensure the safety of other patients, visitors and hospital staff,” Dr. Jonathan Angel, Infectious Disease Specialist at The Ottawa Hospital, said in a press release.

“Strict infection prevention and control measures in Ontario hospitals means the risk of Ebola to other patients and health care workers is minimal.”

Ebola can only be spread through direct contact with infected bodily fluids.

“It is not an airborne infection and cannot be spread through casual contact,” said Dr. Isra Levy, Medical Officer of Health.

To date, there have not been any documented cases of Ebola in Canada.

Public Health says the patient is being monitored and is in isolation as a precaution, and will be kept in isolation until test results are back.

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Patients with Ebola-like symptoms hospitalized in Ottawa and Belleville
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Published on: October 13, 2014Last Updated: October 13, 2014 3:50 PM EDT

Health officials in Ontario were awaiting test results Monday for two patients showing Ebola-like symptoms — one in Ottawa and another in Belleville.

While health officials downplayed any risk to the public, both patients remained in isolation as a precautionary measure.

National public health officials said Monday they are also aware of a case of a patient in isolation in an Edmonton hospital with Ebola-like symptoms.

The Ottawa patient — whose sex and age are being withheld by the hospital due to privacy considerations — was in isolation at The Ottawa Hospital’s General campus. Blood samples have been sent to National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg for testing. Results are expected later Monday.

The patient was put into isolation immediately upon arrival Sunday at the hospital, a spokeswoman for the facility said.

The patient would have had to show some signs of the disease — such as a cough or fever — and passed what the hospital calls a geography test showing they travelled through the regions in West Africa that have been affected by the Ebola outbreak. The patient was doing well and was under observation, the hospital said, adding there were no concerns for anyone visiting to the hospital Monday.

“All necessary precautions are being taken to ensure the safety of other patients, visitors and hospital staff,” Dr. Jonathan Angel, an infectious disease specialist at the hospital, said in a statement. “Strict infection prevention and control measures in Ontario hospitals means the risk of Ebola to other patients and health care workers is minimal.”

In Belleville, Ont., a man was in isolation at Belleville General Hospital after showing symptoms of the disease. The man had just returned from Africa, having a brief stopover in Sierra Leone where he didn’t leave the airport, and walked into the hospital’s emergency room early Monday morning.

Within four minutes of entering the hospital, the man was in isolation. Blood samples were sent to Winnipeg for testing, just as in the case in Ottawa, with results expected Tuesday or Wednesday.

Until the results are in, the man will stay in isolation.

Public health officials in that region said it was unlikely that the patient will test positive for Ebola and the risk to anyone else was “non-existent.”

“Given his symptoms and that he was not exposed to any ill people during a very short stopover in West Africa, it is extremely unlikely that he would test positive for Ebola. We expect he has any number of diseases common when people travel,” Dr. Dick Zoutman, chief of staff at Quinte Health Care and a noted infection control expert, said in a statement.

In August, a three-year-old girl in Gatineau tested negative for Ebola after showing symptoms upon returning from a visit to Sierra Leone.

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Even if these two are cleared of having Ebola, the threat still remains.
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2014, 17:50:47 »
The fact that we've had scares and immediate action to deal with them does inspire some confidence.  I know that CBSA and Public Health have been very active at monitoring and looking out for any cases. It isn't perfect and I'm sure that we might very well see a case arrive here but at least here in Canada, there are steps being taken to contain any potential outbreaks.
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2014, 18:28:33 »
I'm more worried about the 80 little johnny jhaids that have apparently come back to Canada than I am about ebola.

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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2014, 18:49:26 »
I'm more worried about the 80 little johnny jhaids that have apparently come back to Canada than I am about ebola.

I was more of the opinion that it would have been more advantageous that those leaving Liberia and area were headed to Syria and not North America.   That is only wishful thinking.

And we already do have a thread or two on little johnny jhaidists.
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2014, 19:18:42 »
I was more of the opinion that it would have been more advantageous that those leaving Liberia and area were headed to Syria and not North America.   That is only wishful thinking.

And we already do have a thread or two on little johnny jhaidists.
Yes we do.  The reason I am not scared about ebola is that they can and will kill it on sight to the best of their ability.  I believe they will stamp it out swiftly and with vigor. They're not going to be so accommodating with the other threats.

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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2014, 20:28:31 »
Ever looked at the symptoms of Ebola? Basically the same symptoms of influenza. Everyone is just paranoid and hypervigiliant that anything g remotely "ebola-like" gets media attention.

The reason why Liberia and Sierra Leone are struggling to containsit is because their quality of care and health care benchmarks are poor.
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2014, 20:48:47 »
Ever looked at the symptoms of Ebola? Basically the same symptoms of influenza. Everyone is just paranoid and hypervigiliant that anything g remotely "ebola-like" gets media attention.

The reason why Liberia and Sierra Leone are struggling to containsit is because their quality of care and health care benchmarks are poor.

More than that but the population thinks it's a conspiracy and don't even believe it's Ebola. Violence against clean up teams, body removal parties, ransacking some medical stations etc.  as well fear of stigma leading people to stay home rather than seek treatment.  A combination of a weak health system and ignorance.
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2014, 21:30:42 »
We might think that as a "First World" nation, we are relatively safe. Mark Steyn reported on how our health care system essentially collapsed from SARS, and I doubt things have changed in any substantive way. The only thing that may "save" us is the relatively low rate of transmission (compared to something like flu, for example).

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One of the most tediously over-venerated bits of British political wisdom is Prime Minister Harold MacMillan's amused Edwardian response as to what he feared most in the months ahead: "Events, dear boy, events."

But even events come, so to speak, politically predetermined. If, for example, you have powerful public sector unions, you will be at the mercy of potentially crippling strikes. The quasi-Eastern European Britain of the 1970s was brought to a halt by a miners' strike in a way that would have been impossible in the United States.

So it is with SARS. The appearance of the virus itself was a surprise but everything since has been, to some extent, predictable. Because totalitarian regimes lie, China denied there was any problem for three months, and thereafter downplayed the extent of it. Because UN agencies are unduly deferential to dictatorships, the World Health Organization accepted Beijing's lies. This enabled SARS to wiggle free of China's borders before anyone knew about it. I mentioned all this three weeks ago, but only in the last couple of days has the People's Republic decided to come clean -- or, at any rate, marginally less unclean -- about what's going on.

As for our diseased Dominion, like the Chinese our leaders behaved true to form. When something bad happens in Canada, the priority is to demonstrate how nice we are. After September 11th, the Prime Minister visited a mosque. After SARS hit, the Prime Minister visited a Chinese restaurant. Insofar as one can tell, Chinese Canadians seem to be avoiding Chinese restaurants at a somewhat higher rate than caucasians. But, while it may have been blindsided by the actual outbreak of disease, the Canadian system is superb at dealing with entirely mythical outbreaks of racism. I think we can take it as read that if a truck of goulash exploded on the 401 killing 120, the Prime Minister would be Hungarian folk dancing within 48 hours. Personally, I'd have been more impressed if he and Aline had had a candlelit dinner for two over a gurney in the emergency room of a Toronto hospital. That's the issue -- not Canadian restaurants, but Canadian health care.

But the piped CanCon mood music has wafted over Jean and Aline's table and drowned out the more awkward questions. Toronto is the only SARS "hot zone" outside Asia. Of nearly 200 nations on the face of this Earth, Canada is one of only eight where SARS has killed, and currently ranks third, after China and Singapore, in the number of SARS deaths. Indeed, Canada had the highest SARS fatality rate in the world until one of two infected Filipinos died a few days ago -- and according to its government she picked it up from the mother of her Toronto roommate.

But why get hung up on details? "Over the past six weeks, health care workers across Toronto have done an amazing job," wrote Joseph Mapa, president of Mount Sinai Hospital, on our letters page yesterday. "We need to applaud these men and women for their dedication and commitment."

No, we don't. We can indulge in lame-o maple boosterism if we ever lick this thing. Until then, we need to ask: Why Toronto? London, Sydney, San Francisco and other Western cities have large, mobile Asian populations. But they don't have SARS. The excuse being made for China is that they have vast rural provinces with limited access to health care. So what's Toronto's?

Here's the timeline:

February 11th: The WHO issued its first SARS health alert, which was picked up by the American ProMed network, which distributed it to Toronto health authorities. The original alert has been described as "obviously significant" by those who saw it.

February 28th: Kwan Sui-Chu, having recently returned from Hong Kong, goes to her doctor in Scarborough complaining of fever, coughing, muscle tenderness, all the symptoms of the by now several ProMed alerts. As is traditional in Canada, the patient is prescribed an antibiotic and sent home.

March 5th: Having apparently never returned for further medical treatment and slipped into a coma at home, Kwan Sui-Chu is found dead in her bed. The coroner, Dr. Mark Shaffer, lists cause of death as "heart attack." Later that day, Kwan's son, Tse Chi Kwai, visits the doctor, complaining of fever, coughing, etc. He too is prescribed an antibiotic and sent home. Later still, the son takes his wife to the doctor. Likewise.

March 7th: Tse Chi Kwai goes to Scarborough Grace, and is left on a gurney in Emergency for 12 hours exposed to hundreds of people.

March 9th: Scarborough Grace discovers Tse's mother has recently died after returning from Hong Kong. But Dr. Sandy Finkelstein concludes, if Tse is infectious, it's TB.

March 13th: Tse dies, and Scarborough Grace calls Dr. Allison McGeer, Mount Sinai's infectious disease specialist, who finally makes the SARS connection.

March 16th: Joe Pollack, who lay next to Tse on that Scarborough Grace ER gurney for hour after hour, returns to the hospital with SARS. He's isolated, but not his wife. Later that day, while at the hospital, Mrs. Pollack comes in contact with another patient who's a member of a Catholic Charismatic group.

March 28th: At a meeting of the Charismatic group, the ailing Scarborough patient's unknowingly infected son exposed 500 others to SARS ...

Let's leave it there. If this is what the President of Mount Sinai calls an "amazing job," then we might as well head for the hills screaming "We're all gonna die!" Toronto health authorities have done an amazing job that's amazing only in its comprehensive lousiness. At every link in the chain, anything that could go wrong did go wrong.

In rural China, SARS got its start through the population's close contact with farm animals. In Hong Kong, it was spread by casual contact in the lobby, elevators and other public areas of the Metropole Hotel. Only in Canada does the virus owe its grip on the population to the active co-operation of the medical profession. In Toronto, the system that's supposed to protect us from infection instead infected us. They breached the most basic medical principle: first do no harm. Even after they knew it was SARS, Scarborough Grace kept making things worse.

Dr. Mapa's pathetic attempts at covering his profession's *** are understandable. But most people who've had experience of Canadian health care will recognize the SARS chain as an extreme version of what usually happens. The other day, a guy I know went to a Quebec emergency room, waited for six hours, was told he had a migraine, and sent home. It turned out to be a life-threatening parasite in the brain. I'm sure you've got friends and family with similar stories. A chronically harassed, understaffed, underequipped system reaches reflexively for routine diagnoses, prescriptions. Did Kwan Sui-Chu's doctor, an Asian Canadian herself with many Asian patients, get the Toronto Public Health alert? Is it normal for coroners to mark "heart attack" as cause of death for elderly patients even when they've been prescribed antibiotics for a new condition in the last week? Why, after Scarborough admitted Mr. Pollack, whom they knew to have been infected during his previous stay with them, did they allow Mrs. Pollack to circulate among other patients? Why did Scarborough compound its own carelessness by infecting York Central?

Most of what went wrong could have been discovered by a few social pleasantries: How's the family? Been travelling recently? The so-called "bedside manner" isn't just to cheer you up, it's meant to provide the doctor with information that will assist his diagnosis. In Canadian health care, coiled tight as a spring, there's no room for chit-chat: give her the antibiotics, put it down as a heart attack, stick him on a gurney in the corridor for a couple of days. Maybe you could get service as bad as this in, oh, a Congolese hospital. But in most other Western health care systems the things Ontario failed to do would be taken for granted. There might be a lapse at some point in the chain but not a 100% systemic failure all the way down the line.

You'll notice that just like Red China, the Prime Minister and Toronto's medical staff I've reacted reflexively, blaming it in my right-wing way on the decrepitude of socialized health care, which almost by definition is reactive rather than anticipatory, and belatedly so at that. But my analysis, unlike Dr. Mapa's, fits the facts. But not to worry: as our leader is happy to assure us, our no-tier health care "express da Canadian value."
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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2014, 00:34:36 »
Now we have two cases in Ontario, one in Ottawa and another in Belleville, of people who have developed symptoms. 
The Ottawa patient tested negative, but a Canadian Forces member in Belleville is still in isolation.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/ottawa-patient-tests-negative-for-ebola-dnd-member-still-in-isolation-1.2051532

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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2014, 04:52:18 »
I seriously don't understand why Canada and the US have not implemented a travel ban for anyone who has been to those countries.

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Re: Ebola -- International Security Measures Fail
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2014, 07:47:15 »
I seriously don't understand why Canada and the US have not implemented a travel ban for anyone who has been to those countries.

I agree. I know if you are military you can't go. One of our members had a trip scheduled and was told no.
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