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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2017, 08:01:33 »
Thanks for that - much appreciated.

I wasn't precise enough in my language ...
... I stand to be corrected, but I haven't read anyplace else about Canada's government selling/giving UKR ammo - it's certainly not mentioned in the info-machine material.
... although if a Canadian company is selling, one might streeeeeeeeeetch "Canada giving/selling" to include that. #MaybeFakeNews
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2017, 11:47:48 »
Re:  Canada sending ammo to UKR, it must be true if the RUS Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson said it (link in Russian - Google Translate version below) ...
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... On the decision of Canada to extend its military instructor mission in Ukraine

With serious concern, they took Canada's decision to extend for a period of two years its military mission in Ukraine. Within its framework, Canadian instructors are engaged in the so-called Ukrainian polygons. "Training" Ukrainian soldiers for subsequent shipment to the Donbass.

We consider such decisions and actions of the Government of Canada to be extremely dangerous. They interfere with the political settlement of the ongoing confrontation caused by the Kiev authorities. Moreover, according to the information available to us, the instructors are not limited to instructors - the Canadians began to supply ammunition for the Ukrainian armed forces, which will undoubtedly fall into the conflict zone.

Instead of exerting pressure on Kiev to compel it to fully fulfill its obligations under the Minsk agreements, Ottawa frankly favors the supporters of a forceful solution of the situation in the Donbass, and also condones the continuation of the bloodshed. In Canada, we must understand that the consequences of such policies and actions will be on their conscience ...
... and it was reported in Russian state media ...
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... according to the information that we have, Canada has begun to supply the Ukrainian military with ammunition that is sure to be delivered to the conflict zone," the Russian diplomat pointed out. "Canadians should realize that the consequences of such steps will be on their conscience."
... not to mention repeated in separatist UKR media ...
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Canada has begun to supply the Ukrainian military with ammunition that is sure to be delivered to the conflict zone, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova states.

By extending its military mission in Ukraine, Canada encourages the Ukrainian supporters using military force to resolve the Donbass conflict, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Friday ...
... and denied by Ukraine:
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The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has denied reports that Canada is providing ammunition to Ukraine.

"It's not true. This statement is nothing but a cynical lie," Bohdan Sennyk, the head of the Ukrainian General Staff press service, told reporters on Friday.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova earlier said Canada had started supplying ammunition to the Ukrainian authorities.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2017, 07:56:12 »
More from the separatist info-machine ...
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Many is asking why Canada is supplying ammunition and providing training for the Ukrainian Nazi battalions fighting in Donbass? Canadian newspaper Ottawa Citizen reports, that Canadian Foreign Minister, Chrystia Freeland, has West-Ukrainian roots and her grandfather was directly connected to the German Nazi forces.

There have been a number of articles circulating about Freeland’s Ukrainian grandfather, Michael Chomiak, and his ties to the Nazis, but these reports have been stamped blatantly as "Russian propaganda".

    “American officials have publicly said, and even Angela Merkel has publicly said, that there were efforts on the Russian side to destabilize Western democracies, and I think it shouldn’t come as a surprise if these same efforts were used against Canada,” Freeland told reporters after they raised questions about the articles about her grandfather.

The Globe and Mail also reported that an official in Freeland’s office denied the minister’s grandfather was a Nazi collaborator. But as Canadian Ottawa Citizen directly reports, based on undeniable facts, that Crystia Freedland's granddad "Michael Chomiak was a Nazi collaborator".

    For starters, The Ukraine Archival Records held by the Province of Alberta. It has a whole file on Chomiak, including his own details about his days editing the newspaper Krakivski Visti. Chomiak noted he edited the paper first in Crakow (Cracow), Poland and then in Vienna. The reason he edited the paper in Vienna was because he had to flee with his Nazis colleagues as the Russians advanced into Poland. (The Russians tended to execute collaborators well as SS members).

So what was the Krakivski Visti?

It, like a number of publications, had been seized by the Nazis from their Jewish owners and then operated as propaganda outlets. Here is what the Los Angeles Holocaust Museum has to say about Krakivski Visti and a similar newspaper, Lvivski Visti, both publications associated with the Nazi regime.

    “The editorial boards carried out a policy of soliciting Ukrainian support for the German cause. It was typical, within these publications, to not to give any accounts of the German genocidal policy, and largely, the editions resorted to silencing the mass killing of Jews in Galicia. Ukrainian newspapers presented the Jewish Question in light of the official Nazi propaganda, corollary to the Jewish world conspiracy.”

“In 1943 and 1944, both Lvivski Visti and Krakivski Visti hailed the German-approved formation of the 14th Waffen SS Division Halychyna, composed of Ukrainian volunteers,” the museum pointed out.

    "So much for "Russian disinformation," the Ottawa Citizen concluded.

On Wednesday the Globe and Mail reported that, “Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland knew for more than two decades that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper.”
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2017, 12:37:56 »
On the RUS Foreign Ministry's allegations that Canada's supplying ammo to the Ukrainians, this from a DND spokesperson by email:
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... Regarding allegations of a Canadian donation of ammunition to Ukraine, it is false. Here what the Ukrainian military had to say: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-military-denies-receiving-ammo-canada.html ...
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2017, 23:45:57 »
We barely have ammo for us, let alone to donate

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2017, 10:09:08 »
We barely have ammo for us, let alone to donate

Pretty sure we don't use a whole lot of 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54mmR or 12.7x108mm ammunition in regular training in Canada, so your allotment of 25 rounds for the year wouldn't be touched by donating lethal aid to the Ukrainians.

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2017, 12:45:37 »
Ukrainian forces have started using licence built M16s so 5.56 is needed

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #132 on: March 13, 2017, 13:08:57 »
That ammo isn't going to come out of DND stocks, it'd be a Global Affairs Canada purchase with their cash out of whatever lowest bidder 5.56mm company can deliver to Ukraine. The CAF can advise on what lethal aid would be useful, but its GAC that makes the call and finds the rounds.

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #133 on: March 13, 2017, 13:12:10 »
That ammo isn't going to come out of DND stocks, it'd be a Global Affairs Canada purchase with their cash out of whatever lowest bidder 5.56mm company can deliver to Ukraine. The CAF can advise on what lethal aid would be useful, but its GAC that makes the call and finds the rounds.

oh i am well aware this story is full of baloney, only way we are providing ammo to Ukraine is by us going to a company to buy and ship to ukraine, like you said
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #134 on: March 13, 2017, 13:36:51 »
That ammo isn't going to come out of DND stocks, it'd be a Global Affairs Canada purchase with their cash out of whatever lowest bidder 5.56mm company can deliver to Ukraine ...
And they haven't replied to my email yet  ;D
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #135 on: March 13, 2017, 14:47:29 »
Ukrainian forces have started using licence built M16s so 5.56 is needed

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Looking at the pictures released by the CAF about Op UNIFIER, the soldiers are all using Warsaw Pact weapons (AK-74, PKM)
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #136 on: March 13, 2017, 16:16:50 »
Meanwhile, MP's drop by and discover there's a war on ...
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Canada extended its military training mission in Ukraine this week, but the country needs more help to help ease the escalating humanitarian crisis, say an MP and a human rights advocate who just returned from the country.

Ontario Conservative MP Tony Clement travelled to Kyiv last week to meet with government officials and others and was surprised to learn of the huge scale of the crisis caused by the four-year conflict.

"This is a hot war, not a cold war, in Eastern Ukraine," Clement told CBC News. "There are casualties every day, soldiers and civilians. A lot of the world's attention is focused on Mosul, Syria and Iraq, but this war is a war, as well, and there are many people affected." ...
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #137 on: March 13, 2017, 16:52:30 »
Meanwhile, MP's drop by and discover there's a war on ...

So, a reverse-racism assumption?  As in "oh...those are white (Orthodox) Christian folks shooting at each other, it can't be *that* bad"? 
Philip II of Macedon to Spartans (346 BC):  "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city."

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #138 on: March 13, 2017, 17:15:22 »
So, a reverse-racism assumption?  As in "oh...those are white (Orthodox) Christian folks shooting at each other, it can't be *that* bad"?
I'll take "Former Yugoslavia for $400, Alex ..."
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #139 on: March 27, 2017, 07:49:26 »
A new-ish (up as of 21 March 2017) e-petition is up @ the Parliament of Canada page ...
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Petition to the House of Commons

Whereas:

    The violence and tensions in Eastern Ukraine have continued to escalate over the past three years and show no sign of abating;
    The conflict in Eastern Ukraine has led to the death of nearly 10,000 individuals, displaced more than 1.6 million individuals internally, and left over 3 million in need of humanitarian aid;
    The Government of Canada has failed to sign the Canada-Ukraine Defence Cooperation Agreement;
    The Government of Canada has cut the supply of life-saving RADARSAT-2 imagery to the Ukrainian military;
    The Government of Canada has ignored Ukraine’s calls for lethal defensive military equipment, while providing the same support to the Kurdish military; and
    The Government of Canada has failed to add Ukraine to the Automatic Firearms Country Control List.


We, the undersigned, residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to add Ukraine to the Automatic Firearms Country Control List, sign the Canada-Ukraine Defence Cooperation Agreement and supply the Ukrainian military with lethal defensive equipment.
Re:  the bits in yellow, it's interesting that the parliamentary sponsor for this petition was once the Parliamentary Secretary for National Defence for the governing party that failed to sign, cut the supply, ignored Ukraine's calls and failed to add

#OppositionForTheSakeOfOpposition?

You have until 19 July to sign the petition if you're interested.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #140 on: March 27, 2017, 10:36:45 »
On Twitter there were a great many Conservative politicians wondering why Canada under the Liberals did not expand the mission - why could they not do better for the Ukraine?  In my mind, those type of questions are just as you say - opposition for the sake of.  This is a mission started by the Conservaties.  That the Liberals continued their path in a situation that has remained largely the same should be a rare opportunity for them to show solidarity and applaud the government.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #141 on: March 28, 2017, 07:49:46 »
And back to some news -- this from UKR media, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) ...
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Canada to provide Ukraine with another batch of military equipment

Canada will soon deliver to Ukraine the next batch of non-lethal military equipment.

This was stated by National Defense Minister of Canada Harjit Sajjan, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

"Our next delivery will include first-aid kits, training materials for the military police and ammunition disposal equipment," Sajjan said.

He reminded that Canada had been supplying various units of non-lethal military equipment to Ukraine for a long time, e.g. tactical communication systems, night vision goggles and even a mobile field hospital.

"This vital equipment will increase the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces while reducing the financial burden on the Ukrainian government," Sajjan said.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #142 on: March 29, 2017, 07:23:20 »
More from the former Parliamentary Secretary for National Defence on how Ukraine needs lethal military aid, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) ...
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Ukraine needs lethal weapons – James Bezan
28.03.2017 17:50 318

It has become obvious since the end of last year that the West has not been taking sufficient measures to make Russia implement the Minsk agreements.

This has been stated by James Bezan, the Official Opposition Critic for National Defence and member of Conservative Shadow Cabinet, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

"As we have seen since the end of 2016, neither Russia nor the Russian-backed militants in Donetsk and Luhansk regions comply with the Minsk agreements, while Ukraine pays for that," Bezan said.

In his opinion, the regular violations of the Minsk agreements require that the West provide Ukraine with lethal weapons.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #143 on: April 01, 2017, 07:44:12 »
More word of coming Canadian help ...
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Canada getting ready to sign defense agreement with Ukraine – Harjit Sajjan
31.03.2017 10:10 914

An agreement on cooperation between the defense ministries of Canada and Ukraine will be signed in the near future.

This was stated by National Defense Minister of Canada Harjit Sajjan, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

"To move forward in the issue of the defense agreement, we and our colleagues just should determine the proper date," Sajjan said.

The National Defense Minister of Canada added that it had been planned to conclude that agreement during his trip to Ukraine last year. "During the last trip, the issue of this agreement was raised, and we could even move forward, but we had to wait until some issues on part of the Ukrainian government were solved. As of now, everything has already been settled," the Minister said.
... while the two DefMin's prepare to meet in Ottawa:
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... Defence Minister Harjit S. Sajjan and his Ukrainian counterpart, Defence Minister Stepan Poltorak, will be meeting to discuss the Canada-Ukraine defence relationship and hold a photo opportunity.

Date: Monday, April 3, 2017

Time: 13:15 p.m. (EDT)

Location: National Defence Headquarters, 101 Colonel By Drive, Brigadier Malone Conference Room (formerly Conference Room D), 2 North Tower ...
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #144 on: April 03, 2017, 16:31:46 »
Let's see how the Russian info-machine distorts this offer to help out ...
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Canada and Ukraine have a long history of friendship, common values, and shared ambitions for the future of our peoples.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan met today with Ukrainian Defence Minister Stepan Poltorak to sign the Canada-Ukraine Defence Cooperation Arrangement.

This bilateral arrangement further exemplifies Canada’s commitment to Ukraine by identifying areas of mutual cooperation such as defence policy; defence research, development, and production; and military education. The Canada-Ukraine Defence Cooperation Arrangement is a key part of the Canadian Government`s multifaceted support for Ukrainian territorial integrity and sovereignty, security, and stability. This arrangement is focused on providing a framework for cooperation on important defence-related issues.

In the coming days, Defence Minister Poltorak will meet Members of Parliament and Senators, and tour Canadian Armed Forces facilities such as Canadian Forces Base Petawawa.

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“Today's signing of the Defence Cooperation Arrangement shows Canada's steadfast commitment to Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. It strengthens the ties between our two nations and helps us continue to develop our rich, mutually beneficial relationships.  Canada remains fully committed to providing assistance to Ukraine, helping to preserve and protect its sovereignty through Operation UNIFIER, and to supporting the implementation of key reforms.”

— Harjit S. Sajjan, Defence Minister

Quick Facts

•In addition to the Canadian Government`s recent decision to renew Operation UNIFIER until the end of March 2019, the Canada-Ukraine Defence Cooperation Arrangement reaffirms the mutual trust and common interest in international peace shared between the two countries.
•Canada has provided a broad range of assistance (development, financial, humanitarian, non-lethal military) to Ukraine, totaling more than $700 million since January 2014.
•Since September 2015, more than 3200 Ukrainian Armed Forces members have been trained by the Canadian Armed Forces ...
According to the Ukrainian Embassy in Ottawa* (in Ukrainian) ...
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... According to the Ambassador of Ukraine Andriy Shevchenko agreement identifies five priority areas of cooperation: 1) defense research, development and production; 2) Financial support; 3) logistics; 4) defense policy; 5) military education ...
* - OP edit to get the envoy & embassy right.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #145 on: April 03, 2017, 18:35:50 »
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1) defense research, development and production; 2) Financial support; 3) logistics; 4) defense policy

There is there fatal flaw, relying on Canada to assist them in this. I give the Ukrainians 3 years before they are eventually parcelled off into mother Russia.  :P

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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #146 on: April 04, 2017, 19:36:21 »
Meanwhile, in one of the many meetings UKR's DefMin held in Canada, he had a chance to chat up CCC folks - this from the UKR MoD (original in Ukrainian - Google Translation below) ...
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In Ottawa ended meeting of defense ministers of Ukraine and representatives of the defense industry in Canada.

Vice President of the Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC) Cameron Mc Kenzie welcomed a delegation from Ukraine and stressed that interested in developing cooperation with Ukraine.

He also noted that after signing the Understanding on defense cooperation to countries new opportunities, and this cooperation can be developed for a wide range of issues.

In turn, during the meeting the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak said that Ukraine is interested in expanding cooperation in all areas for the practical implementation of the defense character.

- Given the needs of the Armed Forces and the possibility MIC is promising cooperation of domestic MIC in the aviation industry, the production of ammunition for small arms and artillery systems, armored vehicles, electronics, control systems and communications - said Stepan Poltorak.
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
« Reply #147 on: April 22, 2017, 07:29:22 »
More from the former Parliamentary Secretary for National Defence on how Ukraine needs lethal military aid, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) ...
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Ukraine needs lethal weapons – James Bezan ...
More of the same ...
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Canada should finally allow Ukraine buying defensive weapons.

James Bezan, the Official Opposition Critic for National Defence and member of Conservative Shadow Cabinet, said this in an interview with Ukrinform.

"Russia is strengthening its positions in Donbas, pulling artillery and weapons there. The Minsk Agreements have failed. The militants and the Russian military continue to ignore them. Therefore, I advocate including Ukraine in this list and opening of access to the Canadian arms market," Bezan said.

According to him, the Government of Canada should also immediately begin to supply a variety of weapons to Ukraine.

The Automatic Firearms Country Control List defines the countries, which Canada allows its domestic producers to supply weapons to. Currently, there are 35 countries on the list, including Botswana, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Colombia. Ukraine is not on the list so far.
It's a real shame that bit in yellow couldn't have been done before ...
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Re: Op UNIFIER - CAF and the Ukraine Crisis
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Here's a topic you can 'sink your teeth into' :)

The volunteer Dentists on the front lines of Ukraine's War...

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/pete-kiehart-ukrop-dental-ukraine/
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon