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The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« on: October 10, 2015, 09:47:46 »
This is a thread to cover the spread of MIGRANTS out of, not only the Middle East, but from Africa, and South West Asia into Europe.  It is a look at the problems that are facing EUROPEAN nations, that may spread to other continents including Australia and North America.

In many cases, these are "ECONOMIC MIGRANTS" who are not fleeing from persecution, but fleeing for economic reasons.  Mixed in this group there are also refugees, war criminals, insurgents, and other displaced persons.  Many are seen to be unemployable, with little or no education.  Many out of Africa are travelling with untreatable diseases.   Many are single men, but there are also families. 

This Blog site post is purported to be a statement from a Czech doctor in Munich:

Vox Popoli

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A Doctor's take

This letter, purportedly written by a Czech doctor working in a Germany hospital, illuminates the true blessings of diversity presently being wrought by the mass Islamic migration:
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Eyewitness from a Munich hospital: A friend in Prague has a friend, who, as a retired physician, had returned to work at a Munich area hospital where they needed an anaesthesiologist. I correspond with her and she forwarded me her email. Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations?

Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

The spread of infectious diseases has not been mentioned as of yet in any of the MSM.  It is an underlying story that may emerge in the future. 
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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 10:07:12 »
We might want to recall other "economic migrants" in Europe ... the Saxons, the Vandals, the Huns, the Jutes, the Angles, the Norse (Vikings), the Danes and so on.
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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2015, 10:54:14 »
The spread of infectious diseases has not been mentioned as of yet in any of the MSM.

It's unlikely that it will any time soon, lest it disrupt the narrative.  Angela Merkel is all too cognizant that the opposition to her open borders policy is growing and she wishes to avoid having some of her countrymen dust off the old Hugo Boss duds, especially in the Eastern part of Germany.

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2015, 10:52:35 »
The spread of infectious diseases has not been mentioned as of yet in any of the MSM.

It's unlikely that it will any time soon, lest it disrupt the narrative.  Angela Merkel is all too cognizant that the opposition to her open borders policy is growing and she wishes to avoid having some of her countrymen dust off the old Hugo Boss duds, especially in the Eastern part of Germany.

It is already far too late to wish that away. Europeans have been voting in increasing numbers since the 1990's for "Nativist" political parties in response to the increase in immigraton starting in the 1980's. The Eurocrats in Brussels have refused to listen to the "people" and seem surprised when national voters turn to more extreme measures. This will result in two entirely predictable results:

1. Full on National Socialist parties will become either the majority players or critical members of coalitions across Europe as people become more and more frustrated with the machinizations of the Eurocrats. Snappy Hugo Boss outfits optional

2. Europeans will increasingly take matters into their own hands. We already see news reports of arson against UK Mosques, German reception centers and riots in Sweden. given the tendency of the Legacy Media to underreport or ignore issues which don't match the "narrative", I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg, and far more is going on in Europe than we have seen or heard to date.

Add one and two together and the EUZone will be torn from within by forces which are far greater than those which caused so much stress with the Greek debt crisis. A National Socialist Europe will also be a very poor, joyless place (and contrary to propaganda, the trains did not run on time), and hardly the glittering trade prize we hoped for when we signed on with the European Free trade Pact, and certainly not very safe and secure when lookig over their collective shoulders at "foreign" neighbours and a paranoid and agressive Russia.

As the Chinese say: we will live in interesting times
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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 03:27:24 »
This one could go in the WTF news files, or Deconstructing Progressive thought, but since the proximate cause is he migrant crisis:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

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A young, female ‘No Borders’ activist working in a migrant camp on the France-Italy border remained silent about her gang rape by Sudanese migrants for over a month because “the others asked me to keep quiet.”

Colleagues are alleged to have said that reporting the crime would set back their struggle for a borderless world.

The ‘No Borders’ activist had dedicated a month of her life to helping migrants. Her group was stationed between Italy and France in Ponte San Ludovico in Ventimiglia when the atrocity occurred, according to reports from local papers La Stampa and Il Secolo XIX, and now reported in the major Italian national Corriere Della Serra.

One Saturday night, as loud music played at a nearby party, the woman was reportedly trapped in a shower block set up near the camp in a pine forest know as Red Leap.

A gang of African migrants allegedly raped her there, and her cries for help are said to have gone unheard because of the music.

La Stampa reports that the woman, around 30 years of age, would have reported the horrific crime were if not for her fellow left-wing activists, who convinced her that if the truth got out it could damage their utopian dream of a world without borders.

But Corriere Della Serra also reports that some of her fellow activists are now accusing the woman of reporting the rape out of “spite,” because her group was withdrawn from the camp following a separate controversy.

The town of Ventimiglia, where the alleged crime occurred, has been a flashpoint in the ongoing migrant crisis.

On the 30th September around 50 migrants and 20 activists were cleared from an illegal camp there. The activists organised a protest, whereby 250 migrants conducted a “sit in” on the shoreline.

Yesterday, Osman Suliman, 20, a Sudanese asylum seeker who had been in the UK for just five months, appeared in court.

He was charged with the rape of a Nottingham woman last weekend, the 26th of September, The Nottingham Post reports.

It won't take too many of these sorts of stories to cause an explosion among the local people (although I suspect that this sort of thing will affect "Progressives" only one at a time; it is very unlikely this woman is or will remain a "Progressive" any more. Sadly, her "Progressive" colleagues are unlikely to change their views unless and until they receive some of the same treatment at the hands of the migrants....)
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 09:27:58 »
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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 09:53:56 »
Some of the infectious disease stuff I buy...however diseases like TB, HIV/AIDS, syphilis, they do know how to treat.  The main issue is the first two are very expensive to treat and treat properly and even worse, spread needs to be prevented.  I think the issue of infectious disease they're really concerned about is the stuff you rarely see in Europe...some of which is also expensive to treat. 

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 10:05:58 »
Some of the infectious disease stuff I buy...however diseases like TB, HIV/AIDS, syphilis, they do know how to treat.  The main issue is the first two are very expensive to treat and treat properly and even worse, spread needs to be prevented.  I think the issue of infectious disease they're really concerned about is the stuff you rarely see in Europe...some of which is also expensive to treat. 

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That was mentioned in the original article.  TB has proven to be a bit of a threat here, over the years, with new immigrants and refugees.   It was nearly eradicated by our Health Care System and did pose some concerns when infected immigrants arrived.  Although treatable these days, the numbers we experienced would have been rather low making the threat nearly non-existent.  If in Europe they are seeing a large number of cases in the migrant community, many cases of which may go undetected due to the nature of the cultural beliefs or fears of the infected migrants, then there may be a more serious concern.  The need to start mass producing the drugs necessary to fight these diseases, and the facilities to treat them, will be costly and may be unable to keep up with the influx of migrants.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 10:16:16 »
I do remember when the guys were coming back from Yugo in the early days there was some concern of their being carriers of Scarlet Fever.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 10:39:57 »
Funnily enough, it's not really an immigrant issue in Canada - it's a local issue.  I had to deal with an outbreak a few years ago in the wee town I worked in.  The problem was containment - people concerned were comers and goers from a Reserve nearby.  Luckily in MB, it's one of those diseases where we can actually have folks arrested for failing to comply with quarantine and such (I almost had to get the Medical Officer of Health to get a bench warrant issued for one of these folks that was refusing hospital admission ad threatening the public health nurse).  Public health nurses distribute the medications per the treatment schedule and have to essentially make sure it's taken.  The other problem we have in Canada is some of the most prevalent cases of multi-drug resistant TB in the world (Toronto is one of the worst) - because the vast majority of cases are in people that are hard to track down and treat properly, like street people.  Drugs have to be taken for a long time and regularly to be effective - if you can't find them well, they can't be treated right and the drug resistance increases.  New (legal) immigrants are screened for TB as a matter of routine.

I do remember when the guys were coming back from Yugo in the early days there was some concern of their being carriers of Scarlet Fever.

T'were TB - scarlet fever is strep throat gone nutters.

I remember when I got to Croatia in 1994, the local docs had never seen HIV before the Kenyans and the Nigerians showed up and started spreading the wealth.  It'll be a steep learning curve for some I'm sure - though Germany has some of the best infectious disease docs in the world.  Whether the will to deal with it is there is another question.

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2015, 09:08:19 »
First migrant shot trying to cross the border. Apparently there are twitter feeds reporting these people were armed, although the official story releeased here says they were not. The escalation is hardly surprising:

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-migrant-shot-dead-trying-enter-bulgaria-ministry-234244183.html

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Afghan migrant shot dead trying to enter Bulgaria: ministry

An Afghan migrant was shot by Bulgarian border guards while trying to cross from Turkey and died on his way to hospital, the interior ministry said Friday.

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It was the first known deadly police shooting since the beginning of the crisis which has seen an influx of hundreds of thousands migrants into Europe, and came as the EU and Turkey reached a deal to stem the flow.

The victim was among of a group of 54 migrants spotted by a patrol near the southeastern town of Sredets close to the Turkish border late on Thursday, said a senior official at the interior ministry, Georgy Kostov.

They "did not obey" a police order to stop, he said. "None of the migrants were armed, but they put up resistance."

Patrol officers had fired in the air and "a migrant was injured by a ricochet -- according to the testimony of one of the three police officers -- and succumbed to his injuries on the way to the hospital," he said.

The migrants said they were Afghans but had no papers, Kostov added.
 
The spokesman for the UN refugee agency (UNHCR) in Bulgaria, Boris Cheshirkov, called the incident "very regrettable".

"This plan for barriers, fences and police cannot solve the problem of desperate people," he told AFP, recalling a UNHCR appeal to Bulgaria, launched last spring, not to return migrants.

He said it was the first case of a fatal police shooting of a migrant on the EU's borders.

The incident prompted Prime Minister Boyko Borisov to leave an EU summit in Brussels on the migrant crisis and fly back home late Thursday.

European Council President Donald Tusk said in Brussels that Borisov told him about the Turkish border shooting just before he left the summit, adding: "It shows how important our discussion was. Prime Minister Borisov is aware that we are ready to help."

A member of the European Union but not of the passport-free Schengen zone, Bulgaria is on the fringes of the main flow of migrants heading to western Europe through Greece, Macedonia and Serbia.

The country has however seen tens of thousands of migrants transiting since the beginning of the year.

In a move to buttress its porous 260-kilometre (160-mile) border with Turkey, Bulgaria built a 30-kilometre razor wire fence along part of it and dispatched some 2,000 border guards, police and army to guard the rest.

Unlike Greece, migrants entering Bulgaria are subject to a registration procedure and must normally wait several months before obtaining refugee status allowing them to travel in Europe.

EU leaders approved late Thursday an action plan with Turkey to help stem the flood of migrants in return for concessions from Brussels, including easier visa access
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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2015, 02:58:29 »
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2015, 22:10:49 »
From the "Vox Popoli blog. Since the source is unattributed (a reader mailing in), there will have to be some independent verification of this. Most interesting is the multinational force being assembled by former Eastern European countries:

http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2015/10/mailvox-more-border-closures-coming.html

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Mailvox: more border closures coming

Apparently things are about to get even more interesting in Eastern Europe in response to the ongoing invasion. A reader from Eastern Europe writes:

Get ready for things to get interesting again at the Hungarian border/Croatia/Slovenia/Serbia.

When Hungary closed the Serbian border, there was about a day of riots, which were all over world news, horrible hungarian policemen teargassing poor migrants. But this lasted about a day, as they immediately started going towards the Croatian border.

Today, still thousands of refugees cross Hungary, but no one notices them, since it is all organized, basically because Germany is still receiving unlimited amounts of them daily. Croatians bus them to Hungarian border, Hungarian authorities get them on special trains straight to the Austrian border, Austrians get them on special trains straight to Germany.

This time though, Orbán is taking his time with the Croatian border closure.

One reason is technical, it takes time to figure out the optimal way. The border is much longer than the Serbian (164 kms to 355 kms), and for the most part two rivers form the border (Dráva and Mura in Hungarian). First they said they were not going to build any fence at the rivers, than they decided to build anyway in some spaces they considered vulnerable. They spotted croatians scouting the border looking for vulnerable places, the days before it was supposed to start, so they took their time to make sure the fence will be effective. The deadline moved, and now they not even giving exact date, they will probably make it effective by surprise, when everything falls to place.

Second reason is political. As you may know, there is an alliance called Visegrad Group, or V4, which is made up of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland. I'm not going to Google the whole history of this, but the alliance is formal, every now and then there are V4 summits and workshops on different levels (PMs, presidents, ministers, etc), independently of which political formations govern at given moment.

Orbán this time does not want to play the bad guy alone, so he got the V4 to back him up with political support, and by sending policemen or military personnel/equipment to help patrol the Serbian and Croatian borders, which are the Schengen borders of Europe. He is also organizing a two-month military exercise, called "Balaton 2015", aimed at practicing different logistical scenarios that could unfold at a migrant crisis. Today the first 20 Czech soldiers arrived for the exercise. Slovakian defence minister just announced that they will send soldiers also.

Apart from that, Slovakia will send 50 policemen for the Schengen border patrol, they will be arriving until the 20th of October.The Poles didn't do much yet, but they will probably help with something.

So another border closure is coming in the next few weeks. I really don't know what the hell are the Croatians and Serbs waiting for, I would be building my own fence like mad.

So much for the idea of European "union". It's creating more walls than the Soviet invasion of Eastern Europe did. If this insanity is allowed to continue by the German elite, the walls will eventually be constructed of impaled migrants.

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Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2015, 13:20:10 »
More updates on the worsening situation:

Reuters

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Backlog of migrants swells in the Balkans, tempers fray
Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:50am EDT

By Aleksandar Vasovic and Marja Novak

BERKASOVO, Serbia/LJUBLJANA (Reuters) - The Balkans struggled with a growing backlog of migrants on Monday after Hungary sealed its southern border and Slovenia tried to impose a limit, leaving thousands stranded on cold, wet borders where tempers frayed.

Having declared it would accept only 2,500 per day, Slovenia said 5,000 had arrived from Croatia on Monday, with another 1,200 on their way by train.

"Croatia is ignoring our pleas, our plans," Bostjan Sefic, state secretary at Slovenia’s interior ministry, told a news conference, saying the army would be called in to help if such a rate continued.

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As winter looms, Germany struggles to find homes for refugees
Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:08am EDT

By Michelle Martin

CELLE, Germany (Reuters) - At a sprawling camp in the German town of Celle, refugees wearing thick sweaters sit around a heater smoking cigarettes as rain beats down on the cramped white tent that has become their home. Some of them are ill and worried it will snow.

"The weather is so cold that I can't even leave the tent," said Taher, a 25-year-old Syrian farmer. Sitting on his camp bed surrounded by wet washing that hangs limply from tent poles, he reaches for a box of cough medicine.

With the approach of winter, authorities are scrambling to find warm places to stay for the thousands of refugees streaming into Germany every day. In desperation, they have turned to sports halls, youth hostels and empty office buildings.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2015, 17:14:38 »
While governments "struggle to find homes" for the migrants, others are struggling to ensure they do not arrive:

http://www.thelocal.se/20151018/hree-swedish-refugee-centres-in-a-week-hit-by-fire

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Three Swedish refugee centres hit by fires
Published: 18 Oct 2015 11:18 GMT+02:00

An old school building in Onsala, south of Gothenburg, caught fire on Saturday evening. It was the third time in a week that prospective asylum accommodation has been badly damaged by a fire.

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The fire was attended by 20 firefighters. The building, part of the otherwise demolished Furulidsskolan, was to be prepared to greet asylum seekers in the affluent area of Kungsbacka.

“Half the building has been damaged by fire,” said Mikael Lindgren, lead operator of the emergency services in Greater Gothenburg.

The cause of the fire is unclear but police will cordon off the area and carry out a technical examination when the emergency services have finished making the property secure.

The fire occurred just a day after a school, just south of Ljungby in Småland, was also destroyed by fire. The school building was to be used to accommodate refugees and had recently been decorated.

On Tuesday night a building in Arlöv in Skåne, designed for unaccompanied refugee children, was badly damaged. The centre was due to be open to the children the following day.

Two months ago, two other refugee centres were the targets of arson attacks.

There have been a suspected 14 arson attacks on asylum centres since the start of the year.

As The Local has previously reported, more refugees have sought asylum in Sweden so far in 2015 than in any other year in the Nordic nation's history.

Last week Migrationsverket revealed that a total of 86,223 people had launched cases so far in 2015, surpassing a previous record set in 1992 when 84,016 people asked for asylum following fighting in the Balkans.

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 17:49:39 »
The perspective here in Germany NOW, is that the numbers of migrants are too great to handle.  The Germans want other nations to stand up to the plate.  There is a real problem in finding shelter and warm clothing for all the migrants that are already here.  The Germans are even proposing that American Forces stationed in Germany may be in a position to offer shelter to migrants on military installations.  The situation is not at all rosy as North American MSM may be reporting. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 21:05:38 »
Serves the silly bastards for letting them stampede in.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 23:03:55 »
Given the negative reactions by various European peoples to the influx of migrants, I wonder how long it will be before there is a backlash in Canada to the ramped up numbers being floated now.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2015, 21:53:53 »
Something I have been contemplating for several months:

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Germany to Deport Refugees in Military Cargo Planes
By Martin Kreickenbaum and Andre Damon
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As growing numbers of refugees seek asylum from the wars raging in Syria and Iraq, governments throughout Europe are moving to seal their borders, slash social assistance for migrants, and carry out mass deportations.

This week, the Bild newspaper reported that the German government plans to use military aircraft to deport tens of thousands of refugees whose requests for asylum have been denied. According to the newspaper, the government is planning to use C-160 military transport planes to deport nearly 200,000 people who have been declared by the German state to be “economic migrants” and ineligible for asylum.

The newspaper said that the use of the military for deportations, unprecedented in Germany’s postwar history, will be part of a dramatic crackdown on refugees. Germany will not honour its unofficial moratorium on deportations during the winter months, and will cease giving refugees advance warning that they will be deported to prevent them from fleeing.

In addition, the German government is preparing to set up “transit zones” along its border, in substance little different from concentration camps, where refugees are to be held while their applications are processed.

German government officials did not deny the newspaper’s revelations. “Obviously, the usage of the Transall [troop carrier aircraft] is not ruled out,” Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen declared. She added, with chilling casualness, that the aircraft would be made available “if it does not affect the German army’s priority missions.”

The revelations follow the passage of a bill in the German parliament that slashes social aid to refugees who qualify for assistance and expands the number of countries from which refugees are to be denied asylum in accelerated proceedings.

Meanwhile, the countries on the major transit routes into Europe are intensifying their crackdown on refugees. The parliament of Slovenia approved the deployment of its army to the border on Tuesday night. An initial 140 soldiers are being stationed on the border and will have the authority to detain refugees and issue orders to local residents.

Shocking scenes are playing out on the borders between Slovenia and Croatia, Hungary and Croatia and Macedonia and Greece. Refugees are wading through ice-cold rivers, knee-deep in mud, soaked to the bone by rain or shivering from cold in temporary tent camps without heating and often having to sleep overnight on the ground.

“This is inhumane. We fled from war, from destruction. We lost everything: our families, our children. The bombs killed us,” Haidar, who fled from Iraq and is currently stranded on the Greek-Macedonian border at Gevgelija, told the German public broadcaster ARD.

The situation facing refugees on the so-called Balkan route has worsened dramatically following the closure of the Hungarian-Croatian border last Friday. Since then, refugees have been forced to extend their travel through Slovenia in order to reach northern and central Europe.

Over 12,000 refugees arrived in Slovenia on Thursday, and a further 12,100 refugees remain in Serbia awaiting passage into Croatia.

A fire broke out at a hugely overcrowded refugee camp in the Slovenian border town of Brezice on Wednesday, burning the majority of the emergency tents. It remains unclear whether the fire was set by refugees in protest of the abysmal conditions at the camp, or was the result of refugees using fires to keep warm in the cold rain.

On Wednesday, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, High Commissioner for Human Rights, accused the Czech Republic of violating the human rights of refugees in order to deter them from entering the country.

In a statement, Zeid said:

“According to credible reports from various sources, the violations of the human rights of migrants are neither isolated nor coincidental, but systematic. They appear to be an integral part of a policy by the Czech Government designed to deter migrants and refugees from entering the country or staying there.”

Measures cited by Zeid include the strip-searching of refugees in order to confiscate their money, which is then allegedly used to pay for their detention.

This week the EU opened the first “hot spot” internment camp on the Greek island of Lesbos. Refugees are to be registered there and have their asylum applications processed in expedited proceedings by officials from the Frontex border protection agency. The camp at Moria is expected to hold 2,500 people. But over the weekend, 5,000 new refugees arrived.

Last weekend alone, 16 refugees drowned on the crossing to Greece. On Friday, the Greek coast guard recovered the bodies of four children near the island of Kalymnos, and another boy remained missing. A further twelve refugees drowned near the Turkish coast when their boat capsized on the way to Lesbos.

According to the International Organization for Migrants, 473,000 refugees have arrived in Greece since the beginning of the year, overwhelmingly from the war zones in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. More than 150 have lost their lives.

Meanwhile, conditions confronting refugees stranded at the French port of Calais awaiting the chance to cross the Channel Tunnel have worsened catastrophically. The number of refugees in the camp has doubled to 6,000 in recent weeks. The refugees, including families with children, live in tents and huts they have built themselves.

“We stand on the verge of collapse,” said Jean-Francois Corty, director of French operations for Doctors of the World. The French government has proposed the construction of a new tent and container camp, but it would accommodate a mere 1,500 people and would not be ready until after winter.

The EU’s “humanitarian” response to the crisis has been largely nonexistent. The high-profile plans to resettle 160,000 refugees from Italy and Greece into other member countries has remained a dead letter, with just 19 refugees having been flown from Greece to Sweden. And from the much talked-about €2.8 billion for refugee aid, only a small fraction has been made available.

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Having just been in Speyer, Germany, in the last week; the townspeople are preparing to accept a few refugee families and help in their integration into their town and society.   


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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2015, 21:24:13 »
Hondurian police arrested 5 Syrian men with stolen Greek passports.Just the tip of the iceberg I suspect.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34864193

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2015, 22:29:43 »
While global attention is focused on Syrian refugees, this article says other refugees such as Afghans are overlooked.

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Global Crisis: Afghanistan's Europe-Bound Refugees


When it comes to seeking refuge, Afghans often get the short end of the stick in Europe.



By Benjamin David Baker
November 14, 2015

“War is hell,” goes the well-known axiom attributed to General William Tecumseh Sherman often mentioned in conjunction with his infamous  “March to the Sea” in the twilight year of the American Civil War. Sherman knew what he was talking about: the Georgia Campaign destroyed much of the Confederacy’s infrastructure, but also caused severe hardship for the civilian population.


Although much in warfare was changed since Sherman’s time, war is still hell for civilians caught in it. Millions of refugees are fleeing conflict areas in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, searching for security and a better life for them and their children. Although most refugees end up sheltering either in or near their country of origin, over 750,000 are in or are believed to be trying to make their way to Europe this year.


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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 22:04:22 »
With the usual caveat that what they are calling "right wing" isn't anything of the sort (the nativists are mostly National Socialist parties, so you would have to be in another universe for them to be "right" of you), European nativists and nationalists are gearing up for more electoral success:

http://www.businessinsider.in/Europes-anti-immigration-and-hard-right-parties-are-on-the-warpath/articleshow/49843744.cms

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MIKE BIRD59NOV 19, 2015, 01.58 PM

It seems like everywhere you look in continental Europe, the hard right is gaining ground.
Today, it's the turn of the Sweden Democrats.

In 2014, the hard-right party came in third place on 12.9% of the vote, shocking international commentators. By comparison, the party got just 5.7% of the vote in 2010, and 1.49% in 2006.

They've only been getting more popular since and on Thursday Yougov published a poll that puts the Sweden Democrats ahead on 26.7%, 5 points clear of any other party.

It's one of 7 polls since August that have put the party in the lead in one of the world's most open and liberal states. The Sweden Democrats have built support on the back of opposition to immigration in a country that has taken more refugees relative to the size of its population than any other European nation.

The Sweden Democrats are part of a group of European political figures and parties that don't all want to be associated with each other, but all share at least two common tenets: opposition to immigration and scepticism about the European Union. Some even advocate leaving the single currency.

Just like Sweden Democrats, many of these parties are seeing surging popularity. Germany's rightist and eurosceptic AfD just got their best polling result ever, hitting 10.5%. They're back in 3rd place as the public mood with regards to refugees becomes increasingly fearful.

Dutch polling likewise puts Geert Wilders' Party for Freedom not just in the lead for the next election (which must take place before March 2017), but 19 points clear of the next party.

In the rest of Europe, it's a similar story. Austria's Freedom Party have drawn or lead in every poll conducted for the last six months. Italy's regional hard-right Lega Nord's polling average is sitting at around 15%, after getting just 4.1% in the 2013 election.

In France, there's understandably been no polling since the brutal attacks in Paris on Friday night. But Front National leader Marine Le Pen, who has built up significant support on the same eurosceptic and anti-immigration platform, already led in most polls for the 2017 presidential election.

Le Pen has already demanded an immediate halt of all migrant flows into France since the attacks. Europe's hard-right is already riding high after months of refugee crisis headlines, and the brutal attacks on Paris could propel it even further.
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2015, 14:49:13 »
More on the success of the National Socialists in European elections, in this case, France:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/12/07/le-pen-fn-triumph-in-french-regional-elections/

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The populist, anti-immigrant Front National triumphed in the first round of regional elections in France yesterday, coming in first in six out of the country’s 13 regions and winning 28 percent of the vote nationally. The center-Right Républicains came in second with 26.9 percent of the vote, finishing first in only four regions. The Socialists, who had held all but one of the regions, came in first in only three, with 23.3 percent of the vote. Marine Le Pen, the FN’s leader, won a crushing 40 percent of the vote in her race, and her niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, captured more than 40 percent in her region.

Marine Le Pen’s race is particularly interesting: In winning Nord-Pas-de-Calais-Picardie, she captured a historic stronghold of the socialist Left, while also putting herself on the path to govern the region with one of France’s most acute migrant problems. At the port of Calais, thousands of refugees and migrants huddle in a makeshift camp called “the Jungle,” trying to sneak into England—even returning after French attempts to relocate them. This situation, unsurprisingly, has led to exacerbated tensions between locals and the migrants.
Le Pen’s victory in the heartland of the Left, however, is less surprising than one might think based on the “far-Right” label usually applied to the party. The FN has always been protectionist and socialist (really, how could one be a French nationalist in this day and age and not be?), and has recently gone out of its way to present itself as the savior of the French economic model. And to say that Le Pen’s victory is “interesting” is not the same as “good.” The FN remains a party with an ugly history of anti-Semitism that espouses anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim views and embraces Putin. Historically, France’s centrist parties have counted on exactly that ugliness to push voters towards them, betting that on the second round of ballots (which in this case come next week) voters would gravitate to whichever of them remained as the only acceptable alternative to the FN.

And indeed, the old impulse is still alive: The Socialists had called for the formation of a united bloc with Les Républicains ahead of the election. While Les Républicains leader Nicolas Sarkozy rejected the proposal, the Socialists announced that they were pulling several of their candidates from the second round of voting in hopes of limiting the FN’s gains, and several Les Républicains leaders endorsed the strategy: “When you are third, you pull out,” as ex-Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin put it.

But it may not work this time. Projections show the FN still winning at least four regions come next week, and that’s not surprising. The FN was already doing well before the Paris attacks, its surge fueled by the centrists’ steadfast refusal to address issues, starting with immigration, that the public cared about. Throw in a massive security failure and a “stay the course” message on immigration post-Paris, and it may well be enough to break through historic firewalls. Whether that will happen remains to be seen next week.

and from the same magazine:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/12/06/jihadists-using-refugee-flows/

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Jihadists Using Refugee Flows?

Evidence accumulating that jihadi groups, including the one that planned the Paris attacks, are using the migration of hundreds of thousands of refugees to cover their own movements. The New York Times reports:
 

The investigation into the Paris terrorist attacks, previously focused on jihadist networks in France and Belgium, has widened to Eastern Europe, with a Belgian federal prosecutor announcing Friday that one of the people suspected of terrorism traveled in September by car to Hungary, where he picked up two men now believed to have links to the carnage of Nov. 13.
 
The disclosure of a Hungarian connection has not only dramatically expanded the scope of the investigation but has also put a spotlight on the question of whether jihadist militants have concealed themselves in a huge flow of asylum seekers passing through Eastern Europe.
 
A statement issued by the Belgian federal prosecutor on Friday said that Salah Abdeslam, a former Brussels resident who is the only known survivor from three terrorist squads that killed 130 people in Paris, had made two trips to the Hungarian capital, Budapest, in a rented Mercedes-Benz a few weeks before the Paris attacks.
 
On a drive back to Western Europe on Sept. 9, he was stopped during a routine check at Hungary’s border with Austria and found to be transporting two men using what have since turned out to be “fake Belgian identity cards.”
 
Europe, which just a few years ago thought that it inhabited a post-historical universe in which nothing could ever go seriously wrong, is painfully waking up from the dream. It’s now crystal clear that one can’t combine a passive foreign policy with a legalistic adherence to absolutist ideals—that, for example, one can turn a blind eye to a disintegrating Middle East and North Africa while opening the gates to every refugee and migrant that the meltdown creates.

Not far behind this lurks the realization that a cosmopolitan and tolerant society can’t thrive if it admits millions of migrants who hate and despise cosmopolitan values. Still obscure to most European elites (and to their American counterparts) is the understanding that neither the values nor the liberties of liberal civilization can long flourish if the religious and spiritual foundations of that civilization are allowed to decay, and are treated with scorn and neglect by society’s leaders.

Today’s Western elites, in the U.S. as much as in Europe, have never been so self-confident. Products of meritocratic selection who hold key positions in the social machine, the bien-pensant custodians of post-historical ideology—editorial writers at the NY Times, staffers in cultural and educational bureaucracies, Eurocratic functionaries, much of the professoriat, the human rights priesthood and so on—are utterly convinced that they see farther and deeper than the less credentialed, less educated, less tolerant and less sophisticated knuckle-dragging also-rans outside the magic circle of post historical groupthink.

And while the meritocratic priesthood isn’t wrong about everything—and the knuckle-draggers aren’t right about everything—there are a few big issues on which the priests are dead wrong and the knuckle-draggers know it. Worse, as the mass of the people become more aware that the elites are too blind and too wrapped up in the coils of elite ideology to deal effectively with society’s most urgent problems, an age of demagogues is opening up around us. People need leaders; when the meritocratic priesthood seems incapable of providing leadership, people start looking elsewhere.
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Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 23:13:00 »
Interesting that Merkel, who grew up in former East Germany, seems unaware of Samizdat and word of mouth as means of idea and information propagation:

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/facebook-twitter-google-collude-with-german-government-to-censor-discussion-on-immigration/

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Facebook, Twitter, Google Collude With German Government To Censor Discussion On Immigration
by CHARLIE NASH15 Dec 2015480

The two largest social networks, Facebook and Twitter, and the world’s largest search engine, Google, have teamed up with German law enforcement to delete “hate speech” within 24 hours in what is being seen as a last-ditch effort to silence public dissent about a gigantic wave of Syrian immigration.

The partnership to crack down on what Germany deems illegal speech comes after German law enforcement’s reported concerns about “racist abuse” posted to social media after the country’s huge and extremely controversial import of over a million Syrian refugees.

Justice Minister Heiko Maas is reported to have warned social networks that they must not become “a funfair for the far-right” and that “the benchmark to be applied will be German law and no longer just the terms of use of each network.”

Specialist teams will be used to track down, examine, and remove offending posts, and the process is not to take more than 24 hours.

After World War Two, all Nazi-related imagery and material was made illegal irrespective of context in Germany. All Nazi-related swastikas and salutes were replaced in the Wolfenstein video game remake, owing to this law.

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Of course this will simply redirect anger and score points for German nativists and ultra nationalists. Cutting off information rarely works at all, and almost certainly does not work in your favour. To be even minimally effective, you need to impose "Great Firewall of China" sized restrictive infrastructure or assume a level of social control equal to that of the DPRK; hardly outcomes that anyone would think of as desirable.
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2015, 18:14:53 »
The Dutch look like they are trying to recover the badass reputation they earned in the 15 and 1600's. On a more serious note, mass riots against the government (local in this case) almost certainly represents a huge disconnect between the "governors" and the "governed", which can only lead to trouble downrange (including the resurgence of National Socialist political parties and movements, with all that implies):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3363895/Riot-police-fire-warning-shots-THOUSANDS-protesters-storm-site-planned-asylum-centre-1-500-migrants-Holland.html

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Riot police fire warning shots as THOUSANDS of protesters storm the site of a planned asylum centre for 1,500 migrants in Holland

Demonstrators went on the rampage in town of Geldermalsen last night
They smashed through fence surrounding asylum camp, attacked police
The angry crowd yelled 'No n****** here!' and 'foreign scum keep away'
Town hall left looking like a 'battlefield' and councillors were forced to flee
At least 14 people were arrested, several policemen were injured in melee

By ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:53 GMT, 17 December 2015 | UPDATED: 04:53 GMT, 18 December 2015

Police had to fire warning shots into the air when thousands of Dutch protestors stormed the site of a planned asylum centre, shortly to open for 1,500 refugees.

The demonstrators went on the rampage in the small town of Geldermalsen last night in the worst riot of its kind in the Netherlands since the refugee crisis began.

A planned discussion about the imminent arrival of the migrants, staged by the town council, was abandoned in the chaos as the mob outside tried to storm the building. Councillors were forced to flee out of rear exits into police vans.

Thousands of rioters smashed the fences around a planned asylum centre in the Dutch town Geldermalsen in the worst riot of its kind

The mob, who left the town hall looking like a 'battlefield', yelled 'no n****** here!' and 'foreign scum keep away!'

Fences around the planned asylum camp were smashed down or cut through in the rioting. Police were pelted with bottles and fireworks before they drew their firearms and fired warning shots into the air.
The crowd shouted 'no n****** here!' and 'foreign scum keep away!' and left the town hall looking like a 'battlefield' with broken windows and chipped brickwork.

Running skirmishes between youths and the police went on until the early hours of Thursday morning.

The mayoress, Miranda de Vries, said she was shocked at the violence caused by an estimated 2,500 people in the town of 27,000 that lies near the city of Utrecht.

It was by far the biggest and the most violent outbreak of anti-immigrant sentiment in the country.
Deputy justice minister Klaas Dijkhoff responsible for managing Holland's intake of refugees, called the protestors 'un-Netherlanderish'.
There were 14 arrests and several police officers were slightly hurt in the melees. A Dutch bomb squad had to be called in on Thursday morning to deal with a potentially lethal 'heavy' fireworks lodged in the town hall facade.

Thousands riot over asylum centre plans in the Netherlands

Police were pelted with fireworks and bottles as protesters stormed the planned asylum centre, soon to be home to 1,500 refugees

Running skirmishes between youths (pictured) and the police went on until the early hours of Thursday morning

'It is very serious what happened tonight,' said a police spokesman. 'We going to investigate what exactly occurred.'
Mayor de Vries said: 'Everyone from the council chamber is safe. And they tell people to be afraid of asylum seekers. Am I sad.
'The clearance of a council chamber in Geldermalsen due to disturbances is of coursen unheard of. If you want to express your opinion there is plenty of room for it. You don't express opinions by throwing fireworks.'

The plan for an asylum centre with a capacity for 1500 people for a period of 10 years is highly controversial for locals who fear there may be more trouble to come.


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Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.