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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2017, 18:56:57 »
For example, which is better?

Example A.

New refugees or migrants have one murderer per one thousand individuals, but that one murderer is doing it for religious reasons, allah, honor killings, hates the west, whatever.

Example B. Local population has three murderers per one thousand individuals, but they are doing it for the "normal" reasons, psychotic breakdown, petty grudges, gang violence, crimes of passion.

For me, statistically speaking, I would prefer example A.  If they are killing less people overall, I don't care about the motivating factor for the reasons they are killing people.


There's a flaw in your logic and example. It implies that Example B could be completely eliminated and we would only have a murder rate of 1/1000. What we have in fact is a murder rate of 4/1000, where 1/1000 (25% reduction) can arguably be handled with reduced immigration or no immigration from countries which incite/encourage that kind of violence. You will never stop any of those murders in Example B, so you reduce the murder rate where you can.

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #151 on: August 01, 2017, 19:17:07 »
I'm afraid Altair, jmt and I shall always be at odds.  We each see flaws in each other's views. (as do others) To those who wish to carry on, feel free.  I'm done spinning circles, the field is yours.

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Re: The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread
« Reply #152 on: August 01, 2017, 20:23:14 »
I'd stay out of the forest if I were you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3893436/Angela-Merkel-pressure-refugee-policy-revealed-migrants-committed-142-500-crimes-Germany-six-months-2016.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684302/1-200-German-women-sexually-assaulted-New-Year-s-Eve-Cologne-elsewhere.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3805103/migrant-sex-attacks-germany-doubled-3000-a-year/
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/germany-hiding-muslim-crimes-only-17-sex-attacks-appear-in-the-police-crime-statistics/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3394161/Now-Swedish-police-accused-covering-sex-attacks-news-blackout-migrant-gang-surrounding-molesting-teenage-girls-music-festival.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/comments/
yes, and those are all far more sensible articles to post than the one story here, one story there of a individual engaging in barbaric acts due to religion.

Again, I never once doubted that these migrants would bring in higher crime rates, especially with how little getting they underwent getting into Europe. But that's the story here IMHO.

There's a flaw in your logic and example. It implies that Example B could be completely eliminated and we would only have a murder rate of 1/1000. What we have in fact is a murder rate of 4/1000, where 1/1000 (25% reduction) can arguably be handled with reduced immigration or no immigration from countries which incite/encourage that kind of violence. You will never stop any of those murders in Example B, so you reduce the murder rate where you can.
also missing in that is that most migrant/refugee/immigrant crimes are committed against other migrant, refugee and immigrant communities.

So while bringing in more potential criminals, one is also bringing in more victims as well.

I'm all for keeping criminals out, but are we by that same token also willing to keep potential victims out as well?

I really have no horse in this race other than to say that these individual cases people keep bringing up don't impress me much.
I'm afraid Altair, jmt and I shall always be at odds.  We each see flaws in each other's views. (as do others) To those who wish to carry on, feel free.  I'm done spinning circles, the field is yours.
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« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 20:26:30 by Altair »
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