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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2017, 04:22:40 »
And this appears to be still dragging on ...
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Almost a full year after Sen. Mike Duffy was acquitted on 31 charges of fraud, bribery and breach of trust, the man who paid him $90,000 remains under investigation by the federal ethics watchdog.

Ethics commissioner Mary Dawson has revealed that she continues to examine the conduct of Nigel Wright, former prime minister Stephen Harper's one-time chief of staff.

Wright personally paid Duffy $90,000 to enable the senator to reimburse the Senate for his disputed living expense claims.

Dawson initiated an investigation into Wright's conduct in May 2013, but suspended it a month later once an RCMP investigation was begun.

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus, who had urged Dawson to investigate Wright, says the ethics watchdog recently informed him that she resumed her investigation last May after the Crown decided not to appeal Duffy's acquittal.

Her investigation is ongoing and Dawson told Angus her final report on the matter will be made public ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2017, 19:13:53 »
Harper made some very poor HR choices ...
Oh yeah ...
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Conservative Yukon Senator Daniel Lang and his policy adviser are facing allegations of workplace harassment, multiple senior Senate sources tell CBC News.

After a complaint about his behaviour earlier this year, an internal investigation was launched by Senate officials into the senator's treatment of a parliamentary staffer.

The Senate would not confirm the review, or identify the nature of the complaint.

"The integrity of any complaint-based human resources process is dependent on confidentiality being maintained. For this reason, the Senate does not disclose information of this nature," Senate spokesperson Jacqui Delaney said.

This is the second complaint against Lang and his policy adviser, Naresh Raghubeer. The first complainant withdrew the accusation after quietly being transferred to another job on Parliament Hill, CBC News has learned.

Senate officials privately describe the complaints as being about bullying and intimidation, including screaming and belittling in front of other senators and staff.

The sources spoke to CBC on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter with reporters and/or they feared retribution from their superiors.

Lang, appointed by former prime minister Stephen Harper in 2009, declined requests for an interview but Raghubeer provided a statement on the senator's behalf.

"I don't know where you heard this, but neither my office nor I are currently subject to any administrative review," the senator said in the statement ...
We'll see ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2017, 19:46:34 »
Clearly he's guilty before the investigation is complete.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2017, 08:27:15 »
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Canada’s former public safety minister has had his wrist slapped by the federal ethics commissioner for violating conflict of interest rules — and a democracy watchdog wants the Canadian Judicial Council to review the matter.

Vic Toews, who is now a judge in Manitoba, violated the Conflict of Interest Act twice in the months following his departure from politics in 2013 by working for two First Nations with which he had direct dealings during his time in office.

Ethics Commissioner Mary Dawson released her report Friday, two years after initial complaints were made about Toews’ post-cabinet activities.

The 41-page report finds Toews was hired to do lobbying and consulting work on behalf of two First Nations in Manitoba in the months after he left office. The contracts violated two different aspects of the Conflict of Interest Act ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2017, 14:34:54 »
On Senator Don Meredith, Senate Ethics Officer says ....
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... As set out above, I have concluded that Senator Meredith breached subsections 7.1(1) and 7.1(2) of the Code in the circumstances surrounding the relationship he had with a teenager, Ms. M.

Where I have made a finding that a Senator has breached his or her obligations under the Code, as I have here, subsection 48(14) of the Code requires me to indicate whether remedial measures to my satisfaction have been agreed to by the Senator, whether the Senator did not agree to remedial measures that would have been to my satisfaction and what those measures were, or whether remedial measures were either not necessary or not available.

Following Senator Meredith’s first interview, his counsel indicated to me that he was interested in exploring remedial measures to address Senator Meredith’s conduct. I explained to counsel that I did not see how remedial measures could be appropriate if I accepted the facts as described by Ms. M, but that I remained open to receiving and considering submissions on this issue. I again invited submissions from Senator Meredith on this issue when I provided him the partial draft of this review for his comment.

In a letter dated March 7, 2017 (copy attached) Senator Meredith proposed remedial measures. I have concluded that while they may have some salutary effects and may help prevent further breaches of this nature by Senator Meredith, the remedial measures he has proposed do not remedy the harm that his actions have caused to the office of Senator and the institution of the Senate. Consideration of this issue has led me to the further conclusion that for the purposes of subsection 48(14), remedial measures are not available in relation to the kinds of breaches of the Code engaged in by Senator Meredith.
In other words ...
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In a historic move, the Senate's ethics committee is recommending Senator Don Meredith be expelled from the Red Chamber and his seat be declared vacant ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2017, 17:35:55 »
Someone who makes Duffy look like a paragon of virtue.  I hope they kick the chickenhawk out.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2017, 20:03:57 »
Someone who makes Duffy look like a paragon of virtue. 
Ouch!
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2017, 15:36:18 »
Someone who makes Duffy look like a paragon of virtue.  I hope they kick the chickenhawk out.
Not quite, but ...
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Disgraced Sen. Don Meredith is resigning from the Senate rather than wait to see if his colleagues expel him for engaging in a sexual relationship with a teenage girl.

The Senate was poised to vote as early as Wednesday on a Senate ethics committee report, which last week concluded that Meredith is unfit to serve as a senator and recommended that the upper house take the unprecedented step of expelling him.

But in a statement today, Meredith says he recognizes that the Senate is more important than his "moral failings." ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2017, 20:19:49 »
Not quite as satisfying as their version of a dishonourable discharge, but it will do.  Too bad they couldn't forfeit his pension on him as he leaves.  With any luck the missus will take him to the mat instead.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2017, 03:18:36 »
If it's egregious enough to get booted from the Senate, does it not stand to reason that he broke the law?

Why has he not been charged?

If what he did is not considered illegal and he's not charged, he shouldn't have been punted.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2017, 03:25:29 »
If it's egregious enough to get booted from the Senate, does it not stand to reason that he broke the law?

Why has he not been charged?

If what he did is not considered illegal and he's not charged, he shouldn't have been punted.
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Surely you're not suggesting a perfect overlap between morality and legality? A lot of things can be morally or ethically questionable or even disgusting, yet aren't quite illegal. I have no problem with the senate punting someone who appears to have a sexually predatory streak aimed at young girls. His conduct brings the upper house into disrepute in the eyes of the public. That should suffice. After all, we don't get to vote him out.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2017, 06:59:17 »
If he, as is alleged, exploited a position of power for sexual purposes with someone under 18, then he has committed an offense that should be condemned through the judicial system.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2017, 08:35:42 »
After all, we don't get to vote him out.

We didn't even get a chance to vote him in!  :nod:

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2017, 17:42:52 »
The only disqualifying provision related to behavior - "31(4) If he is attainted of Treason or convicted of Felony or of any infamous Crime;"

Clearly he was not convicted of a crime.

There is one other provision that makes it a matter for the Senate to decide - "33. If any Question arises respecting the Qualification of a Senator or a Vacancy in the Senate the same shall be heard and determined by the Senate."

I do have a suspicion that the Supreme Court would step in to prevent the Senate from calling an apple an orange to justify their action.

If legally boning a 16 year old is so awful, why are 12 year olds legally allowed to have sex under the Criminal Code.  Seems to be a bit of a disconnect.  It was only a few years ago the age of consent was raised from 14 and Harper had a serious fight to get it through Parliament.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2017, 21:33:45 »
The only disqualifying provision related to behavior - "31(4) If he is attainted of Treason or convicted of Felony or of any infamous Crime;"

Clearly he was not convicted of a crime.

There is one other provision that makes it a matter for the Senate to decide - "33. If any Question arises respecting the Qualification of a Senator or a Vacancy in the Senate the same shall be heard and determined by the Senate."

I do have a suspicion that the Supreme Court would step in to prevent the Senate from calling an apple an orange to justify their action.

If legally boning a 16 year old is so awful, why are 12 year olds legally allowed to have sex under the Criminal Code.  Seems to be a bit of a disconnect.  It was only a few years ago the age of consent was raised from 14 and Harper had a serious fight to get it through Parliament.

If you're cool with him being a chickenhawk,  that's up to you.  I don't think it's behaviour I want to see by someone on the Hill.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2017, 21:51:42 »
If you're cool with him being a chickenhawk,  that's up to you.  I don't think it's behaviour I want to see by someone on the Hill.

I don't think he's justifying the behaviour, only stating that the Senate didn't have a legally strong leg to stand on.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2017, 21:55:15 »
I don't think he's justifying the behaviour, only stating that the Senate didn't have a legally strong leg to stand on.

He was in a position of authority as a religious leader.  So it's illegal if the other individual is under 18 which, it is alleged, occurred on one occasion.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2017, 22:16:19 »
He was in a position of authority as a religious leader.  So it's illegal if the other individual is under 18 which, it is alleged, occurred on one occasion.

Clearly not enough evidence to pursue charges, or the Ottawa Police would have done so.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2017, 07:12:51 »
Clearly not enough evidence to pursue charges, or the Ottawa Police would have done so.
Is every administrative action in the CF supported by, say, criminal charges?  After all, if behaviour doesn't meet the test of criminal prosecution, it must be OK, right?  ;)
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2017, 07:42:47 »
Is every administrative action in the CF supported by, say, criminal charges?  After all, if behaviour doesn't meet the test of criminal prosecution, it must be OK, right?  ;)
What's the CAFs highest administrative action? It's release. Just like the CAF, he pulled pin before the hammer fell.

We're now in the realm of arguing morality vs legality in laws, completely off topic. I personally think the guy was a dirtbag, but far more legally savvy people than me stated with the current laws, it was not criminal or they couldn't get enough evidence to have a reasonable expectation of conviction.

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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2017, 09:10:04 »
Clearly not enough evidence to pursue charges, or the Ottawa Police would have done so.

My understanding is that the investigation was done by the Senate; I've seen nothing to indicate that OPS was involved.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2017, 11:22:45 »
What's the CAFs highest administrative action? It's release. Just like the CAF, he pulled pin before the hammer fell.
And we've also seen cases of due process chasing and catching someone already out the door, too.  It'll be interesting to see what unfolds with this guy ...
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2017, 21:24:56 »
My understanding is that the investigation was done by the Senate; I've seen nothing to indicate that OPS was involved.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/04/04/sen-don-meredith-appears-at-closed-door-ethics-committee-meeting.html

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An investigation into Meredith’s behaviour began after the Star reported in the summer of 2015 on his two-year affair with a teenage girl. After an Ottawa police probe wrapped up without laying charges, the Senate’s ethics officer published a report on March 9 of this year, concluding that Meredith used his job in the red chamber to lure the girl into a sexual affair.
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Re: Conservatives in the News
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2017, 07:34:20 »
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/04/04/sen-don-meredith-appears-at-closed-door-ethics-committee-meeting.html
Thanks for that reminder. 

In spite of the OPS decision, like with military folks who sometimes escape charges but get dinged via admin measures, or a cop escaping criminal charges but facing admin or Police Act actions, I'm OK with a different standard being applied to this guy's behaviour as a Senator.  Like with the military & cops, we expect better.
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