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New Aussie Defence White Paper
« on: February 23, 2016, 12:22:42 »
Just to report that the much-delayed Oz defence white paper will be released on either Thurs or Fri.

While the media are already running some leaks, I'm just waiting for the document.

It'll be posted on the DWP site, here  -  http://www.defence.gov.au/Whitepaper/default.asp


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Re: Oz white paper
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 12:29:25 »
Just to report that the much-delayed Oz defence white paper will be released on either Thurs or Fri.

While the media are already running some leaks, I'm just waiting for the document.

It'll be posted on the DWP site, here  -  http://www.defence.gov.au/Whitepaper/default.asp

That should be good reading.  Considering the last DWP was in 2013, "much-delayed" is obviously relative between Australia and Canada.   :nod:

Cue more "CAF should be like the ADF" articles shortly thereafter - there have been two in the National Post in the past week or so.
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New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 19:54:30 »
Australian 2016 Defence White Paper:

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The Defence Industry Policy Statement released with the Defence White Paper acknowledges the fundamental contribution that Australian industry provides to defence capability. The Defence Industry Policy statement will refocus Defence’s relationship with Australian industry to support the plans in the Defence White Paper.

The Government’s defence strategy is supported by increased defence funding, which will grow to two per cent of Australia’s Gross Domestic Product by 2020-21, three years ahead of the Government’s 2013 election commitment. The Government’s funding plan provides $29.9 billion more to Defence over the period to 2025-26 than previously planned, enabling approximately $195 billion of new investment in our Defence capabilities in this period...
http://defence.gov.au/whitepaper/

More, note Oz has only 2/3 Canada's population:

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Australian Defence White Paper: $195b modernisation of military prepares ADF for regional instability
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In a sweeping upgrade of the nation’s Defence Force, the government will increase its defence budget by $29.9 billion over the next decade and increase personnel to 62,400 – the highest in more than 20 years.

Over ten years, $195 billion will be spent on land, sea, air, intelligence, surveillance and electronic warfare assets.

Australia’s upgraded military force will include new missile armed unmanned aircraft (drones) for troop protection and a new long range rocket and artillery program.

The Navy will double the submarine fleet from six to 12, including new regionally superior submarines to replace the outdated Collins class, nine new anti-submarine warfare frigates, 12 new offshore patrol vessels and 7 PA-8 Poseidon spy planes...
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-defence-white-paper-195b-modernisation-of-military-prepares-adf-for-regional-instability/news-story/58297f9991b87b61b76d314a35c45eff

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Defence White Paper: Australia joins Asia's arms race with spending on weaponry and military forces to reach $195b
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Underscoring a sense of urgency to the renewal of Australia's defence power, the Government is aiming to build spending up to 2 per cent of GDP by 2020/21 — earlier than previously promised — representing an overall increase of $29.9 billion.

Defence officials have told the ABC the White Paper reflects Australia's "growing discomfort" with China's military activity...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-25/defence-white-paper-released-increased-spending/7198632

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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 20:18:34 »
Perchance to dream in the sunny days Great White North.

I'm not holding my breath.  As was mentioned in various threads and in articles in the National Post, Australian politicians as a whole do care about Defence and there is a mostly-unified view across all political parties.  It helps that they've been directly attacked in WWII and are so isolated from US help.

As an aside, they're retiring their AP-3Cs by 2019.  Maybe we should get some off them when they transition to the P-8. 
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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 20:27:55 »
More, note Oz has only 2/3 Canada's population:

And the Canadian Dollar is trading at par with the Aussie Dollar.
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Re: Oz white paper
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 16:31:00 »
Read and weep (though Aussies have same build domestically shipbuilding, er, challenge we do):

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New Aussie Defence White Paper: The Two Percent Solution
https://cgai3ds.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/mark-collins-new-aussie-defence-white-paper-the-two-percent-solution/

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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2016, 12:28:55 »
This is a duplicate topic of the original at the ADF section:

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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 12:52:15 »
This is a duplicate topic of the original at the ADF section:

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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 07:46:57 »
Having read both the 2013 and 2016 Aussie Defence White Papers, it is clear to me that the 2016 is an implementation document tightly linked to the ideas of the earlier document. The big difference is a strong governmental commitment to 2 per cent of GDP funding over the 10 year horizon for the current paper. The naval programme remains essentially the same as does the sir force programme. The army plan is a little vague but I expect that will change in the next update. Canada and the Canadian Government need to get serious about defence and why it is important to get a real plan in place with funding. Canadian politicians should read the Aussie White Paper.

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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 11:29:55 »
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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 14:44:49 »
Vaguely DWP-ish news to hand.........

RAN has selected Navantia's Cantabria design for the 2+1 AOR project.

All to be built in Spain: the first two ASAP and the third for delivery in late 2020s.

Final hull may be of modded design for enhanced logistics.


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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 14:51:39 »
But, but, but .... what about jobs for Diggers?

I mean if they can build a canoe surely they can build an AOR, or even a sub!
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Re: New Aussie Defence White Paper
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 15:18:08 »
The last big ship built in Oz was HMAS Success, at what was then HMA Dockyard Cockatoo Island, in Sydney. She was supposed to have a sister ship, but, rather famously, the unions did their little union thing and Success not only ate her own budget but that of the sister ship, and a bit more on top. The government of the day - Labor, I might add - could not and did not contain its glee at swiftly closing the CI yard after that.

The only other yard capable of building ships that big was the BHP site at Whyalla, SA, but that closed +/- late 1970s.

The two extant yards in Adelaide and Melbourne will have a shedload of jobs for decades with the new frigates (9 hulls), subs (12) and corvettes (12).

Nonetheless, the Opposition is already screaming blue murder about outsourcing jobs.

Which is strange for a party that just did six years in government and didn't order a single ship but, rather, pushed back every acquisition project to the never-never and, as a bonus, sucked AUD 18 billion from the defence budget, just because it could.

Ho hum.