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Some people actively seek reasons to be unhappy.

Yes, his name is Jeremy Holtz, international man of misery.

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God forbid it becomes a have province one day and needs to send its money elsewhere within confederation, the PQ would have that province out of Canada within a year.

Surely someone must still want to use asbestos?  The economy is going to turn around, I tell you.  The Quebec «national» debt will be gone in less than a decade... :nod:


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Surely someone must still want to use asbestos?  The economy is going to turn around, I tell you.  The Quebec «national» debt will be gone in less than a decade... :nod:
I dunno, the current liberal government has posted 2 surpluses in a row, small ones, but a step towards fiscal  responsibility. Granted there have been protests in the street over austerity.

But should they continue pay down their debt at the rate they are currently doing it they might be debt free within a hundred years.
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I see what you did there... :nod:

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Debt free in 100 years is well ahead of the pace of today's Ontario.
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Debt free in 100 years is well ahead of the pace of today's Ontario.
which is more of a indictment of the ontario liberals than praise of of the quebec liberals.
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which is more of a indictment of the ontario liberals than praise of of the quebec liberals.

Indeed it is.  And it is even more indicative of the Ontario voters who have kept them in power.
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Not so much insulting as wrong, we are about 700 or 800 nations, reserves, regions, races, genders and political divisions right now, and growing. 
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I look forward to the discussions between Quebec and the First Nations. Then of course there is that niggling little fact that Quebec’s GDP, barring France is likely bigger the combined Francophone world and so who will they trade with? Then there is immigration, the French really don’t love their long lost cousin and the rest of the Francophone world is made up of people who don’t look like a true Quebecor and likely will arrive with little money and education. I suspect those immigrants also see a province of Quebec is a way better deal for them than a Quebec as a country. 

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I look forward to the discussions between Quebec and the First Nations.
:nod:  Here's what they had to say a couple of years ago here and here, so we can see at least a starting position for any "discussions."

I've attached a Library of Parliament paper prepared just after the last referendum about how tangled a ball of string it would be to unravel re:  First Nations and a saying-it's-separating Quebec.

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As with the Brexit referendum, it isn't a purely clinical economic question.  Yes, in both cases separation likely results in both parties taking a fiscal hit.  But there are other factors to be weighed, and to some people, the economic factor has trivial to zero weight.

If the question is taken up in Canada for a third time, then "Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!".  I look forward to the change in the balance of power in the House of Commons.
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As with the Brexit referendum, it isn't a purely clinical economic question.  Yes, in both cases separation likely results in both parties taking a fiscal hit.  But there are other factors to be weighed, and to some people, the economic factor has trivial to zero weight.

If the question is taken up in Canada for a third time, then "Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!".  I look forward to the change in the balance of power in the House of Commons.
Nice way to abandon the English speaking population of Montreal and natives in the north. Tossing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Nice way to abandon the English speaking population of Montreal and natives in the north. Tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Everyone has a choice. If the leave side wins, then they have made their decision. However, like Brad, the rest of Canada is pretty fed up with them playing games with the rest of Canada in order to extort more benefits from us.

Mind, I feel the same about Toronto but that's a different kettle of fish.
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>Nice way to abandon the English speaking population of Montreal and natives in the north. Tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm not the one repeatedly taking the country to the brink of separation and endlessly demanding special privileges and creating short-term uncertainty every time the issue is raised and long-term uncertainty indefinitely.  Don't try to throw it back in my lap.

Observing recent events, I concluded there is a large swath of the population in any given political entity that considers itself bound to the sense of fairness and fair play and civility and cooperation and concession which undergird "rule of law", "democracy", and "consent of the governed" only when its own purposes are served.  The abandonment has already occurred; I've decided to no longer bother to try to unilaterally undo it.  I might as well seek advantage for myself as nakedly as they do for themselves.
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I suspect most separatist support is like a strike vote in a union, few want to go on strike, but want to give their negotiators bargaining power. Quebecers got used to being able to turn the screws every decade or so, but eventually someone will call their bluff. If Quebec was to separate, life for a Francophone outside would not be pleasant and bilingualism would be quickly on the chopping block in English Canada. Quebec would be surrounded by a semi-hostile and by an indifferent neighbour.

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I suspect most separatist support is like a strike vote in a union, few want to go on strike, but want to give their negotiators bargaining power. Quebecers got used to being able to turn the screws every decade or so, but eventually someone will call their bluff. If Quebec was to separate, life for a Francophone outside would not be pleasant and bilingualism would be quickly on the chopping block in English Canada. Quebec would be surrounded by a semi-hostile and by an indifferent neighbour.

If that happened, I would truly feel for the non-Quebecer francophones in Canada, as they deserve none of the ill-will that Anlgos can throw at them when said Anglos don't appreciate that not all francophones are Quebecers.