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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2016, 00:37:08 »
"By the time all of the votes are in, several days hence, her lead is projected to exceed two million."

Coyne makes the usual error: assuming that the candidates would campaign the same in a winner-take-all FPTP vote as they do for electoral votes.

The popular vote share for US president is irrelevant for the same reason the popular vote share for parliament is irrelevant here: there are many (51) distinct elections, not a single election.  Running up a large vote surplus in CA doesn't extinguish the voices of much smaller states.  It is the United States, not the United Voters.
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2016, 06:27:59 »
I wouldn't put the riot and the damage on the protesters, but more on the usual suspects ...
Sorry - if we're going to hold one side's feet to the fire over "the sins of the few idiots", we have to do the same to the other side. 

Google "diversity of tactics" to find out how a lot of protest groups (like Occupy) refuse to condemn or prevent their small group of idiots from damaging property during protests.

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2016, 08:54:38 »
Perhaps it's because the rise of the overgrown children who've never been denied,

Times change fast. Not so sure people do. I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember the race riots and anti-draft protests in the US in the 1960's. I wasn't there, I saw it on TV.

But, I can't think of a single Republican president-elect who people rioted over before they were even sworn in. 

Incidentally, I'm as sickened by protestors and rioters and looters as anyone. Probably more so as a ( retired ) member of the city emergency services.

It was only a matter of time. Protester shot at the anti-Trump riots in Portland.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/11/12/one-shot-at-anti-trump-protest-in-portland.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
"Police say the shooter got into an argument with one of the demonstrators on the Morrison Bridge before getting out of his vehicle and firing several shots."

Running up a large vote surplus in CA doesn't extinguish the voices of much smaller states. 

Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/
"Millions of mail-in and absentee ballots haven’t been counted yet. They won’t change anything, though."

They wonder why so many people don't even bother voting.

Perhaps that is why CalExit is gaining popularity?
"The campaign argues that California suffers under federal overregulation, that the state contributes more federal tax than it receives in federal funding, that the state feels isolated from political power in Washington, D.C., and that there is a wide gap between the political and cultural differences of California and the rest of the country."
http://www.yescalifornia.org/

From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.




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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2016, 11:48:11 »
Perhaps that is why CalExit is gaining popularity?
"The campaign argues that California suffers under federal overregulation, that the state contributes more federal tax than it receives in federal funding, that the state feels isolated from political power in Washington, D.C., and that there is a wide gap between the political and cultural differences of California and the rest of the country."
http://www.yescalifornia.org/

From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.

They may not have to secede from the union. Some reports indicate that the next big earthquake will separate the state from the rest of the country anyway. All they need to do is start fracking the hell out of the San Andreas fault.  ;D
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2016, 11:51:34 »
From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.
With the major difference being the rest of the US wants  California to stay....   :pop:
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2016, 12:10:16 »
With the major difference being the rest of the US wants  California to stay....   :pop:

No need for your popcorn smiley, we already have three pages on that,

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2016, 12:59:01 »

"Political observers say the change is unlikely to happen, given it would require the approval of Parliament and seven of the provinces, with at least 50 per cent of the population."
Toronto Star March 16, 2010


Isn't 50% of the population in the GTA?    [:D
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2016, 13:14:30 »
Isn't 50% of the population in the GTA?    [:D

Sometimes it feels like it!  :)

I read this,

"The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) is projected to be the fastest growing region of the province, with its population increasing by over 2.8 million, or 42.9 per cent, to reach almost 9.5 million by 2041. The GTA’s share of provincial population is projected to rise from 48.0 per cent in 2015 to 52.7 per cent in 2041."
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2016, 14:26:04 »
While the Selective Service System may accept a legitimate excuse that your failure to register "was not knowing and willful", the Internal Revenue Service is likely less forgiving in a failure to fulfill the obligation of every US citizen (or permanent resident) to file income tax returns regardless of their country of residence.

Actually, Tax authorities are generally not out to put you in jail if you act in good faith, they have quite a few programs in place that allow people amnesty if they come forward. 

But regardless, I have been filing taxes for the last while anyways.

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2016, 14:32:32 »
I wouldn't put the riot and the damage on the protesters, but more on the usual suspects. The few agitators who's only reason for being is to create mayhem and anarchy. These are the same group of brain dead morons that show up at the G20 summits and set fires, smash windows, loot stores and overturn cars. They are few in number, but their actions far outweigh anything the majority of peaceful protesters want to achieve.

This can't be attributed to Clinton backers or organizers. These f$@kwads were around long before this campaign season, and will go on well past the next few election cycles.

My beef with the millennials is that they want to detach themselves from the establishment and find alternate means of creating change, be it sit-ins like the Occupy movement, or use social media to influence change. Once they clue in that the only effective means of making change is to use the electoral process, look out. Once they realize that they outnumber Boomers, and will have a long period of control, we will be looking at a different world. But they need to get their heads out of their @sses first.

I agree to an extent, I do think (peaceful) protesting should be encouraged though, it may at least give leaders pause and is a legitimate part of the process. 

I am of pissed that Colin Kaepernick did not vote.  Heck, I would have at least respected him going to the poll and intentionally spoiling his ballot, at least that is doing something, like having a "no" vote.

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2016, 17:12:52 »
I have to chuckle that the anti-gun ownership side is threatening “direct action” and other threats against the side with the most guns. Would not end well.

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2016, 17:35:27 »
I have to chuckle that the anti-gun ownership side is threatening “direct action” and other threats against the side with the most guns. Would not end well.

From what I have read on here, acquiring guns in the US - one way or the other - isn't too difficult. Can't see it becoming any less convenient under Mr. Trump.
Maybe a civil war is inevitable, helps get rid of the bad blood? Nobody alive has witnessed post-election rioting like this. Just have to wait and see.
Not like there's nobody getting shot there now. I like to follow the emergency services action: Five people killed & at least 32 others were wounded in shootings in Chicago over the weekend. But, the Cubs won!  :)
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2016, 10:17:34 »
They could acquire guns if they don't have a criminal record, but they still be out gunned and out aimed and out of ammo before the other side is.

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2016, 10:24:54 »
Doesn't sound too difficult,

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2016, 10:35:22 »
I agree to an extent, I do think (peaceful) protesting should be encouraged though, it may at least give leaders pause and is a legitimate part of the process.
That bit in yellow being key.  At least Trump has told his folks publicly to stop being idiots* (how well that'll work is a different question, but at least he said it). 

Democrats on violence/property damage?  I stand to be corrected, but so far ... :crickets:

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2016, 13:54:47 »
Doesn't sound too difficult,

Gun laws in the United States by state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

It be a steep learning curve, plus there won't be any ammo left for them to buy.
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2016, 16:09:18 »
Hopefully, there will be no violence. Or, at least bloodshed and property damage will be kept to a minimum.

However, the cost of policing anti-Trump protests / riots has become an increasing concern.

eg: Portland, Oregon reports police overtime at anti-Trump demonstrations has already soared well past $500,000.


 
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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2016, 16:16:18 »
However, the cost of policing anti-Trump protests / riots has become an increasing concern.

eg: Portland, Oregon reports police overtime at anti-Trump demonstrations has already soared well past $500,000.
Portland's finances suffering because of snowflake riots could be seen as a win-win proposition, considering it's a deep blue city, i.e. watching the other side score repeated own goals  >:D

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2016, 16:25:59 »
Portland's finances suffering because of snowflake riots could be seen as a win-win proposition, considering it's a deep blue city, i.e. watching the other side score repeated own goals  >:D

Post election anti-Trump protests / riots are in many cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Donald_Trump#Post-election_protests

Even Canadian cities, including Ottawa,
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/city-hall-blog-a-trump-visit-to-ottawa-isnt-like-an-obama-love-in-for-police

Even if there are no Personal Injuries or Property Damage, the overtime costs of policing these protests / riots is staggering.

Not to mention the inconvenience caused by civil disobedience. Blocking roads etc.

New York mayor Bill de Blasio calls for protests against Donald Trump
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasio-donald-trump-protests-take-away-power-a7420486.html


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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2016, 10:17:58 »
Hopefully, there will be no violence. Or, at least bloodshed and property damage will be kept to a minimum.

However, the cost of policing anti-Trump protests / riots has become an increasing concern.

eg: Portland, Oregon reports police overtime at anti-Trump demonstrations has already soared well past $500,000.

See he is already creating jobs and energizing the economy  [lol:

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Re: Threat of possible US Civil War
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2016, 17:10:46 »
I suppose the riots constitute "snowstorms".
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