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Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« on: April 14, 2017, 15:26:52 »
This is the closest thread I could find to CF recreational Cannabis use in the forces. So with the new proposed regulations just being announced the min age to get high will be set by the province, hopefully not less than 19.I wonder how this will affect us in the CF? I wager this is being looked at. I suspect it will continue to be status quo, zero use, random testing.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 15:35:07 »
We should go to zero use for anything, including caffeine and alcohol. 

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 16:00:31 »
We should go to zero use for anything, including caffeine and alcohol.

On what grounds?
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 16:05:46 »
Well if we are going to demonize the smoking of a joint during off-duty hours, should we not also objectively look at the intake of other substances?

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 16:07:10 »
Well if we are going to demonize the smoking of a joint during off-duty hours, should we not also objectively look at the intake of other substances?

Ah - sarcasm.

If pot is as legal as alcohol, then have at 'er is my view - normal caveats apply.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 16:09:58 »
Couldn't agree more. Cheers.

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How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 16:53:32 »
Hello,

I am curious on how the new marijuana legislation will effect the military. As it will not be an illicit drug will this mean military members will be permitted to smoke on their free time?

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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 17:14:05 »
Hello,

I am curious on how the new marijuana legislation will effect the military. As it will not be an illicit drug will this mean military members will be permitted to smoke on their free time?

Hard to say, it very well may allow usage off duty. I would imagine JAG is looking at that right now. On the other hand it very well also may mean that while employed by the military no use is allowed. Being a person who doesn't agree with it except for medical use I would prefer it being kept completely away from the workplace.
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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2017, 17:17:38 »
I am curious on how the new marijuana legislation will effect the military. As it will not be an illicit drug will this mean military members will be permitted to smoke on their free time?
The best answer you will get at this time is speculation.  I would recommend wait and eventually the military will publish direction.

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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2017, 17:28:30 »
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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2017, 17:33:30 »
So anyways there should be a DOAD or something like that coming out at some point addressing use by CF members.
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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2017, 17:39:34 »
Sorry I dont know the language. What is a DOAD?

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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2017, 17:40:58 »
Hello,

I am curious on how the new marijuana legislation will effect the military.  . . .

I am curious as to the reason for your curiosity.  This will undoubtedly be a contentious issue for the military and (judging by posts in other threads that touch on the subject) will probably elicit some comments that could be taken and used out of context.  There are some on these means (myself included) who are naturally suspicious of individuals who sign on here and, in their first post, pose a question that could (at least to those with the aforementioned suspicious minds) have the ulterior motive of eliciting those comments.  I don't think that I would be far of the mark if I say that most of the more senior members of this forum would be more comfortable discussing the subject if they knew a bit more about where you're coming from.

And, just because I'm pedantic and never really stopped using the red pencil even though I'm no longer an adjutant, those with significant military service are often more likely to have a discussion with those who pay attention to proper grammar and spelling.

"How will knew new marijuana laws effect affect the military"

Of course, if you typed that after using a bit of the bud, it's understandable; so, no problem.

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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2017, 17:41:35 »
Sorry I dont know the language. What is a DOAD?


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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2017, 17:49:19 »
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I see Blackadder1916 beat me to it.  I, too, am curious as to why you have entered the site posting this as your first question, even though we already had a discussion going on such legalities.  If you don't understand the language that the military use, referencing DAOD's, then I suspect that you are not in the military, and perhaps not even in the Recruiting Process.  This raises serious questions among many here who are or were involved with security matters and concerns as part of their occupation.

If you read more on this site, you will find that this is a very touchy and controversial subject.
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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2017, 18:01:21 »
I am curious as to the reason for your curiosity.  This will undoubtedly be a contentious issue for the military and (judging by posts in other threads that touch on the subject) will probably elicit some comments that could be taken and used out of context.  There are some on these means (myself included) who are naturally suspicious of individuals who sign on here and, in their first post, pose a question that could (at least to those with the aforementioned suspicious minds) have the ulterior motive of eliciting those comments.  I don't think that I would be far of the mark if I say that most of the more senior members of this forum would be more comfortable discussing the subject if they knew a bit more about where you're coming from.

And, just because I'm pedantic and never really stopped using the red pencil even though I'm no longer an adjutant, those with significant military service are often more likely to have a discussion with those who pay attention to proper grammar and spelling.



"How will knew new marijuana laws effect affect the military"

Of course, if you typed that after using a bit of the bud, it's understandable; so, no problem.

I am a recreational smoker who wants to start a career with the Canadian Navy however i don't want to quit marijuana. I wouldn't mind stopping marijuana for several months while working on ship however when i return home I would like to enjoy a joint. I would quit right now to prepare for basic training but i don't want to quit entirely.

I have been through the recruiting process twice and was turned away because of the marijauna. (I didnt lie on my questionaire) I am by no means trying to stir up any trouble.

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Re: How will knew marijuana laws effect the military
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2017, 18:59:48 »
I am a recreational smoker who wants to start a career with the Canadian Navy however i don't want to quit marijuana. I wouldn't mind stopping marijuana for several months while working on ship however when i return home I would like to enjoy a joint. I would quit right now to prepare for basic training but i don't want to quit entirely.

I have been through the recruiting process twice and was turned away because of the marijauna. (I didnt lie on my questionaire) I am by no means trying to stir up any trouble.

Thank you for your honesty.  As to your original question, no one on this forum knows what the effects will be.  And if perchance someone on these means was involved in any of the very, very, very early planning of how the CF would have to accommodate this proposed legislative change, they would not tell you .  Remember, this is still only "proposed" legislation - it has only had first reading in the House.  It will mostly likely be passed in the time frame given by the government, but, until then, cannabis is still illegal for recreational use.

The only comments you will likely receive concerning your personal situation would be speculation, and probably not even informed speculation.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2017, 12:14:43 »
What will DND's policy be regarding the possibility to harvest four small plants at home (PMQ's) when the legislation is passed? Or in community garden plots if any?
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2017, 12:17:15 »
What will DND's policy be regarding the possibility to harvest four small plants at home (PMQ's) when the legislation is passed? Or in community garden plots if any?

Probably should be the same policy as we have for PMQ residents that brew their own beer......

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2017, 12:19:38 »
Probably should be the same policy as we have for PMQ residents that brew their own beer......

None of our business.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2017, 12:43:06 »
I'm surprised that this isn't a more active threat...

The issue with even recreational use in the CAF, IMO, is this:

Alcohol and Cannabis have a peculiar inverse correlation with respect to dosage and lethality, and dosage and inebriation.

A large amount of alcohol will kill you, even in one sitting; a large amount of cannabis, even in one sitting, will not.

However:

A small amount of alcohol (i.e. a beer) will have zero (or very little) noticeable psychological affect on those consuming it (obviously, that's not always the case, some people do get inebriated after one drink); a small amount of cannabis, on the other hand, will have an immediate inebriating affect. Sure, this might not be true of someone who has developed a tolerance, but we're talking about CAF members here. I'd hope that even if it was made permissible recreationally, that they wouldn't all start lighting up on a daily basis.

So, I can have one beer and go back to work and feel fine, but I imagine that if I smoked a joint at lunch I think that I'd be noticeably inebriated for the rest of the afternoon.

If we allow occasional (i.e. outside of work) recreational use of cannabis in the FORCES, I think you're going to see a measurable increase in unauthorized use of cannabis both before or during work (i.e. lunch). Since even a small amount can have a significant inebriating affect, I think this is dangerous.

Once cannabis becomes legal at large, I think you will be hard pressed to successfully convict members of the CAF for using it recreationally on weekends/after hours (just my opinion, I have no legal trg to confirm this).  So, my recommendation would be to leave it as is; illegal in the CAF. Once legal in Canada, use will go up, charges and convictions in the military will go down, but we'll still have the tools we need to deal with those who abuse.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2017, 12:54:01 »
I honestly think that it will take time for the CAF to catch up to whatever legislation is put in place.  So while it might be legalised in Canada, it might still be a service offence.  Now whether it gets enforced is another matter.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 13:47:57 »
It makes sense that if you're impaired you can not be on duty. Hence, smoking  marijuana at lunch and/or before duty would most likely make you unfit for duty. Ingesting marijuana on the weekend should be good to go as members can also become very impaired using and abusing alcohol. We serve the nation and marihuana is to be legalized. Could be problematic for the CAF to state members can not use marijuana in their off time. It will be very interesting going forward to see how the military, Emergency Services, civil servants handle this for employees.


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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 14:25:53 »
You be able to smoke it outside of the barracks in Shilo, in -30, that should encourage use  [:p

Seriously though I would not want to smell it if living in the barracks, let them eat it inside or smoke it outside.


Keep in mind also for future users that insurance agencies will consider you a "smoker" if you use pot and will adjust your premiums accordingly. Not telling them you smoke could invalidate your future claims.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 14:33:52 »

A large amount of alcohol will kill you, even in one sitting; a large amount of cannabis, even in one sitting, will not.

A large amount of anything could be fatal.  I know of a case from my youth, of two young guys sitting on a step of their residence drinking large quantities of water becoming 'intoxicated', and one of them having a fatal overdose.  (Not being a medical expert, I can not remember the name of this condition on the body's blood. -- It was discussed in another thread.) 


A small amount of alcohol (i.e. a beer) will have zero (or very little) noticeable psychological affect on those consuming it (obviously, that's not always the case, some people do get inebriated after one drink); a small amount of cannabis, on the other hand, will have an immediate inebriating affect. Sure, this might not be true of someone who has developed a tolerance, but we're talking about CAF members here. I'd hope that even if it was made permissible recreationally, that they wouldn't all start lighting up on a daily basis.

Then we apply similar rules as already exist in reference to alcohol and "no consumption X hours prior to driving a military vehicle".


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