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« on: May 17, 2006, 16:19:08 »
Hello Everyone,

Mike has been gracious enough to set up an army.ca wiki, as announced in the admin section, availible here http://army.ca/wiki/

In the wiki spirit, this site is going to require the input of many members in order for it to become a useful source of information.

Who better to make an authoritative wiki about the CF than CF members, i.e. you?

The framework for the page is already there thanks to Mike himself and includes Recruiting, Operations, Military History, Combat Arms, Physical Fitness, and Foreign Militaries.

I have started an Equipment category, with land, naval, and airforce subdivisions. You can access the Land Force subdivision via this link http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Land_Force.

Please, edit and add away!

I took the liberty to fill out the LAV III article with information directly off of the www.army.forces.gc.ca website - but given the wealth of experience and knowledge on these forums I am sure we can do a better job.

Any page, including the category or disambiguation pages can be edited to add new articles or categories by clicking the edit tab. You must be logged in with your army.ca login.

If you like, you can follow the schema I and others have to help you with editing, or feel free to invent your own better one and change my hastily done attempt.

Help about editing can be found here: http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents

A red article name means there is nothing behind it, which is almost as bad as having no article at all!

Generally, with editing:

[[articlehere]] links to an article on the wiki site
[webaddresshere] links to a web address in form of a notation
[[Image:imagename.jpg]] will put an image into the article if you've uploaded it using the upload feature in the wiki
* produces a bullet
== headlinehere == makes a headline for categories or whatever

Good luck!
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Re: Army.ca Wiki
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2006, 16:35:40 »
I've added a "Tips" section to the help page at the army.ca wiki - some of your info would work out well there, couchcommander, if you wanted to put it there. Good start on the LAV III page, too.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 17:48:33 »
Excellent.  Maybe we should invite some of our well-informed former (now banned) members to write the army.ca JTF-2 wiki article.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 17:51:16 »
Ha! Ha!

But that is one of my fears.

People's egos or malice may be the undoing of this affair.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 17:54:59 »
Ha! Ha!

But that is one of my fears.

People's egos or malice may be the undoing of this affair.

I think negativity and timidity poses a far greater threat.

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 20:35:57 »
I think negativity and timidity poses a far greater threat.

"Fortune Favours The Bold"
just gotta look for them buttons, don'tcha?
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 20:59:14 »
just gotta look for them buttons, don'tcha?

Explain?

Not looking to push buttons; just expressing my disappointment in the manifestation of a "can't do" attitude which is somewhat anathema to someone who has studied the history of this institution we all serve. I mean, George has expressed his opinion that the wiki won't work, yet hasn't typed a single word into it.

I'm for trying, not for dissuading others. Given the amount of work that has gone into it in just a few hours, I'd suggest there are a few people rather excited about it. No point being a killjoy. Like I said, if it fails, it won't be because of anything I've done - or been too timid to do. Fortune favours the bold.

Looking forward to your input, para, given your knowledge and willingness to use it here in the forum, I'd suggest it can be put to very good use over there as well.  George's too.
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Re: Army.ca Wiki
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 20:59:41 »
Well I've added a few more equipment articles...

I could use some assistance though, seeing as I'm not a member of the CF and my only source is the web and a few publications.

One particular question, how many C&R G-Wagons do we actually have (or planning to have) in service? I know we will have more than 289, but the precise amount..?


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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2006, 21:07:51 »
Well I've added a few more equipment articles...

I could use some assistance though, seeing as I'm not a member of the CF and my only source is the web and a few publications.

One particular question, how many C&R G-Wagons do we actually have (or planning to have) in service? I know we will have more than 289, but the precise amount..?



I've looked at the pages you've added, good work.  I have also added a few pages under the Foreign Militaries section, my content is good but feel free to edit the style. Bold face, margins ect..

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Re: Army.ca Wiki
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 21:09:41 »
Yea I noticed you, Vangemeren, Michael and others have been busy, good stuff. Hopefully we can get more people involved!

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2006, 22:44:01 »
If you are trying to get one going on your regiment, check here out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_regiments

Any suggestions for my regiments wiki?

http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/The_Grey_and_Simcoe_Foresters#Training

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Re: Army.ca Wiki
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2006, 22:56:08 »
If you are trying to get one going on your regiment, check here out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_regiments

Any suggestions for my regiments wiki?

http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/The_Grey_and_Simcoe_Foresters#Training
You seem to be going along just fine, I would just follow the templates that are outlined on the pages of those regiments already completed.  Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2006, 23:06:45 »
If you are trying to get one going on your regiment, check here out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_regiments

Any suggestions for my regiments wiki?

http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/The_Grey_and_Simcoe_Foresters#Training

All I've been doing is going to the top of the page under information, (right beside the orange chat button), clicked infantry, then clicked on the unit link. On the pages that I've worked on, all there is, is the battle honours, motto, and anything else Mike B has on his pages.

EDIT

Wow FW that's really good, I think you treated the battle honours better than I did.
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Re: Army.ca Wiki
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2006, 23:17:45 »
All I've been doing is going to the top of the page under information, (right beside the orange chat button), clicked infantry, then clicked on the unit link. On the pages that I've worked on, all there is, is the battle honours, motto, and anything else Mike B has on his pages.
You have done a lot of work in the Infantry section today.  I added some cap badges to some of the pages you put up.  I hope that some other people get in on the act.  Keep up the good work.

Mike thank you once more!

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 23:23:43 »
I noticed that, thanks a lot, I don't have access to the pictures. I did a lot of work today because it was raining in Petawawa today. I figure  since I'm going to be working at a provincial park for July and August,  I'm going to get my time in now. I feel as if I'm doing something productive like my list.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 07:44:55 »
Thanks to everyone who's contributed, I'm pleasantly surprised at how the trial is coming along, even with a handful of contributors. (33 people have logged in, but there seem to be a few core contributors at this point.)

Good work!

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2006, 10:45:29 »
I threw up a list of current Ops in the Operations page, as well as i did the OP Archer(ran out of time to do the rest). If anyone else could contribute, it would be sweet.

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2006, 17:12:16 »
All,

I finally have a first cut of the "Army.ca style" for the wiki. New users will automatically see it, but for users who have already registered, you'll have to select it from your preferences page. If you find it too horrible to bear, you can always go back to monobook, the original default.


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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2006, 17:19:34 »
It's definitely consistent. :)  I like it; maybe the "dead links" could be done in a lime green or something rather than that crimson - for visibility?
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2006, 17:26:08 »
I like it!

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2006, 20:49:06 »
Not sure I understand George's new organizational scheme. I wonder if we need a forum specifically for wiki issues? I've made use of the talk page on the new Category.  Why is it called "Regiments of the Armoured Corps"?  The correct title is Royal Canadian Armoured Corps. It also restricts articles in that category to just articles about the regiments.

George has proceeded to write separate articles on RCD Music, RCD colonels, etc., which is fine, so I categorized them all under Category: Royal Canadian Dragoons and made Category: Royal Canadian Dragoons a subcategory of Category: Armoured Regiments. IOW:

*Category: Armoured Regiments
- all articles on armoured regiments here, none of which are more than a single article
**Category: Royal Canadian Dragoons - in which all the residual RCD articles went

It also mirrored the structure already set up for

*Category: Infantry Regiments

So the RCD now belong to Category: Regiments of the Armoured Corps and the Windsor's and King's Own are still under Category: Armoured Regiments and all the infantry are under Category: Infantry Regiments.

Probably best to lay down a uniform scheme now when we're just starting; the more work it will be to undo later. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2006, 21:07:47 »
That's the downside to a wiki is that the free form nature means there is no structure, at least initially. For the most part we're working out the kinks as we go along... I've seen many of my pages and conventions corrected or tuned up, which is great. We seem to be gravitating to a standard format, though it may take some time and bumps to get there.

I think I've consolidated the info into a single category. Feel free to correct me if I've missed something. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2006, 00:39:04 »
I posted a book review to a new category "Book Reviews"; I kind of stepped outside the boundaries of the wiki trial, but it seemed an extension of the article on the Airborne Regiment, and also was done with a view to what I think will be the wiki's greatest asset. Namely, importing hard to find content buried here in the forum into the wiki structure where good stuff will be easier to find. (I think the wiki will be especially useful for recruiting information, for example, and answering questions by prospective recruits - I've started a little bit on Career Progression but hope others more knowledgeable than me pick up the torch - check out the recent discussion on the forum on DEO, for example - there is a need that is not being met on any other websites that I think a wiki will be great for meeting).

Specificially I'm thinking of Danjanou's and Mike's book reviews from the literature section of the forum. Mike, do you think it would be appropriate to move some of your book reviews to the wiki?  I think they'd be a natural though I'm not sure if a straight review is really "wiki-like"?  A page on Starship Troopers there would be something to consider, for instance, given how often it is discussed here on the forums.

If so, we can probably expend the reviews to include publication information, ISBN, even links to other reviews ie Amazon.com, Chapters.ca etc.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2006, 00:55:30 »
I'll tell you what Michael...you keep in your corner and I will stay in mine.  So stay out of what I am working on, especially while I am working on it.  Nothing pisses me off more than working on something and seeing if it works, only to find some arse has been friggin around with it, editing it in another window as I go. 

AS for your little Sub Categories.  Stick them.  With only two Regiments being worked on at this time, you little meddling and creating these little sub-categories may work fine for you; but they are not what I am looking for.....I can also see them being a dogs breakfast once more than two or three Regiments start filling them up.   Right now as you have set it up, you are deadending everything.

So If you stay out of my business, things will be fine.....if not You're going to hear more.   You work on your little project and I'll work on mine.  As for gratuitous links to your Website, perhaps you may ask me first, via PM.

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2006, 01:25:22 »
Certainly didn't mean to offend, George, just thought you could use some help given your obvious inexperience with the software.

For example, you don't need the following:

"Return to Armour Main Page."

Most wikis run on internal links, and the Category system prevents the need for overt links such as that.

You've also chosen to break up information into separate pages whereas all the other regimental pages have kept that information consolidated in one.

As well, I linked to a bio of Churchill Mann as an item of interest - the only content you've put on that page was a laundry list of regimental officers; I thought readers might appreciate a bit of history behind some of the personalities.

As a final note, the project will live or die based on the level of constructive collaboration and assistance we provide each other. The entire point of a wiki is to allow free collaboration; given your previous comments on how you feel a wiki is bound to fail, I have to say, your attitude of non-collaboration seems to be creating a self-fulfilling prophesy.  I wouldn't have helped edit your pages unless I thought you were on board with the whole spirit of the project.  I suppose I know differently now.

Oh, wiki etiquette over at wikipedia has always been "be bold", so checking details via PM isn't necessary. I would expect anyone to edit stuff on anything I've created there without checking; if there was a problem or a disagreement, that is what the talk pages are for.

If you need any additional help with your editing, let me know.
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