I will touch on a couple things only, I am relaxing in bed
Some fatwas for the bedroom eh?
First thing, some thing you touched on is one 'toned down' sermon in english, for the masses and one far more radical for "devout" in a different language. One simple flaw in this, in many many Mosques is.. we all do not speak the same language
Here's some stuff I pulled from an undercover video taken over 4 months. Fluent English.
Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham UK. .
1:39- "I don't believe them because they are Kuffar and lying is a part of their religion" (some irony there)
2:30- Christians, Jews, America, UK, France,Germany "Come against the religion of Islam" (what does the Quran say to do with people who go against Islam again?_
2:50- American convert to Islam- "We want to do away with man made laws"
4:09- Speaker doesn't agree with violent terrorists, but he's closer to them then the criminal kaffir.
4:39- If a Muslim doesn't follow their strict rules "bury him with the Kaffir"
4:51- "Muslims shouldn't be happy living in anything other than a total Islamic state"
I'll stop there but there's almost an hour of this stuff.
Green lane mosque also has a secret chat room set up where other sermons get broadcasted to a select group of followers. Any guesses on what they talk about?
Sorry Abdullah, because of videos like this I'm not buying the "extremely isolated instances" mantra.
Second thing, you imply that Muslims do not self report. Anecdotally I can tell you that is not the case
If that is what I came across as implying then that's mistaken. Luckily Muslims do self-report. From reporting their peers down to reporting their own family members (as incredibly hard as I imagine that is). I think there's considerable obstacles that come with "self-reporting" such as the threat of violence and ostracization. I think in many cases too people don't see things talking about killing unbelievers as hate speech because they've become accustomed to hearing it.
Thirdly, this more eccentric? Idea you have that we are like a sleeper cell just waiting for the code word to rise up and take over... gosh darn it, you figured us out, the games over, you win 😂I wish you could understand how ludicrous this sounds man
I don't think I was implying that at all. You're kind of moving the goal posts there. I've said numerous times I think the flash to bang
of how quick followers of Islam go from every day people to violent outraged mobs is much quicker and pronounced than any other religion.
Fourthly, context. Sorry, but I do not trust anything, at all, unless I know the complete context. Just like a guy pointing and firing a firearm at another person, context matters. If a guy is robbing a bank and does it, he is a murderer and deserves the gallows. But if he is a soldier under fire, it is something completely different. So until we know who, when, why, where etc something was said or done, their is absolutely no point in making any judgements on it. Especially with Islam you need to understand, who, were, when, why and how it was traditionally or classically, implemented and contrast that to this day and age and compare it to the legal framework of the sharia, before passing judgement.
This simply seems like a convenient way to justify unacceptable by todays standard speech to me.
"Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like' I don't think they're talking about which direction to drive there.
Fifthly, you asked about my opinion on something to do with Islamic sharia. Well my opinion is worth mud on these matters, I am in now way, shape or form eligible to pass an opinion on them.
Now I find that very strange. Why aren't you able to pass an opinion on them Abdullah? An opinion is just an opinion after all. With the amount of Mosques you've visited, your Islamic contacts all over the world, all the reading and reasearch you've down and your self-professed love of the academic side if Islam I would think you're in an exceptional position
to offer an opinion. But, I've noticed you often respond to questions like this by attempting to send the question asker elsewhere to read up on someone elses words. Other websites.
If I was a suspicious sort.... I would wonder if this was a subtle attempt to spread the word of Islam
But really, I find it quite strange.
But here is a read up on taqqiya, but I swear I have covered it before already.. or maybe not, a lot of Islamophobes scream taqqiya and it is quite annoying, to be honest.
What's your definition of an Islamophobe, Abdullah?
I am sticking to my guns that Muslims do self report as the FBI said
No disagreement here
lets just say I am up to 3 or 4 death threats now 😂. Next step since Facebook is not shutting it down is the RCMP.
You'll have an easier time getting FB to shut down the page if you report them for being right wing.
Also I did not ignore your bmq example on purpose, i just forget about it and do not feel it is apples to apples here
I'll wait for it to sink in