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An honour killing?
Posted By ROB TRIPP RTRIPP@THEWHIG.COM
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Kingston Police have arrested at least three people in connection with the mysterious deaths of four Montreal women found in a submerged car in Kingston Mills on June 30.

Police sources confirmed the dramatic development in the case yesterday, 22 days after a black Nissan Sentra was found in roughly three metres of water near one of the four locks.

Three teenage sisters were found dead in the car, Zainab Shafi, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, along with a 50-year-old woman, Rona Amir Mohammed.

La Presse newspaper in Montreal said three people who were heading to Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport were arrested yesterday morning.

Initially, police said the case was suspicious but that they had not found evidence of foul play.

It's not clear what charges are being laid, but the Whig-Standard learned that Kingston Police have been investigating, for at least two weeks, the allegation that the deaths were an honour killing.

More:
http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1668566

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2009, 10:06:09 »
This is proving to be an interesting case. If they were murdered and the murderers are caught....sorry alleged murderers, what will be their defence?
If, as the article says, the three were heading for PET Airport....are they foreign nationals?
There is more than meets the eye on this one.
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 10:29:24 »
More than meets the eye indeed.  It'll be interesting to hear what the spin is at this afternoon's police press conference.
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 11:11:18 »
Something I quietly suspected when the names of the three females were released. If it is true, just more nonsense from the "religion of peace". ::)
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 11:34:03 »
Kinda makes you wonder what would happen if we brought back the "bad ol days" of capital punishment of cases where DNA evidence seals the evidence.. Or if we used their countries rules to punish wrong doers in our countries if they come here to do a crime and try to flee away ?
I'm not saying to kill all the stupid people . .. Just remove the warning labels and let nature run it's course

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 11:40:45 »
Something I quietly suspected when the names of the three females were released. If it is true, just more nonsense from the "religion of peace". ::)

Show me one religion completely lacking members who have murdered or committed any other crimes. Just one.

Even we atheists have been known to commit one or two here and there.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 11:48:19 »
Show me one religion completely lacking members who have murdered or committed any other crimes. Just one.
As a member of a church that has not only had individual members commit heinous crimes, but also sanctioned and conducted some of its own throughout its "colourful" past, thank you for posting this.  When I hear **** like "All I learned about Islam I learned on 9-11", it makes my blood boil.  Little do people know of some facts.  Such as The Virgin Mary is mentioned more often in the Koran that in the bible.
Islam, as a faith, is indeed a religion of peace.  Those who use it as a shield or excuse to do some crazy **** are no more representative of Islam than I.  And I'm Roman Catholic.


OK: Back on topic.  No matter the case, circumstances or allegations, if proven to be true, this remains a tragic incident.  If there was indeed a crime, then I hope that justice prevails.
So, there I was....

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 11:50:52 »
This news item is eerily somewhat similar to the Law & Order episode I watched last night.

The teenager murdered his mother because she was having an affair and her mother was Muslim, therefore God command this young man to kill her, in essence, a Christian honour killing.

The guy that played Sam Wise in Lord of the Rings was the preacher who was indicted for murder, but was found not guilty. The preacher ran a camp/school for young Christians which was in effect a producer of soldiers for the "religious war" on Islam.

I agree with Loachman - any religion is capable of producing murderers. Sorry about the tangent here....
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 14:23:35 »
Well having had to convert to that particular religion, all I can say is that they no one to blame but themselves for the bad reputation. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing, and that is crux of why they are in the particular crisis they are in now. Only recently have there been serious efforts to fix some of those issues, my deceased sister inlaw was one of the people working to change things from the inside. Funny when you think that what Muhammad proposed 1400 years was quite a radical shift giving some rights and protection to Arab woman which had none before. To bad his followers choose not to continue that work. I doubt the prophet is at peace.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 14:44:15 »
This may already be known to some of you but if not journalist Rob Tripp's blog Cancrime can be found here:

http://www.cancrime.com/

He has been following the case quite closely.

For the sceptical-minded: a video re-enactment of how the car may have ended up in the lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNAuCREDD0



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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 14:49:22 »
Canal victims murdered by family, police allege
Updated Thu. Jul. 23 2009 2:20 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Police say three Montreal sisters and their caregiver found dead in a submerged car near Kingston, Ont., were murdered by their own family members.

On June 30, Zainab Shafi, 19, and her two sisters, 17-year-old Sahar and 13-year-old Geeti, were found inside a black Nissan Sentra submerged in water, near a Rideau Canal lock northeast of Kingston.

The body of another 50-year-old family member, Rona Amir Mohammed, was also found inside the car.

Kingston police Chief Stephen Tanner told a news conference on Thursday afternoon he was saddened at the "needless and senseless loss of innocent human lives."

The girls' father, Mohammed Shafi, previously said the deaths occurred as the family was headed home after vacationing in Niagara Falls and had stopped for the night at a Kingston hotel.

Shafi said he awoke in the morning to discover that one of the family's cars was missing from the hotel parking lot.

Developing...

 
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090723/kingston_canal_090723/20090723?hub=TopStories
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 15:39:09 »
I have been assured by people who can, fairly, claim to be experts in the field, that no Muslim can find any religious justification for “honour killings.” Any sheik or iman who does not, unreservedly, condemn “honour killings,” my expert source told me, should be properly described as being totally ignorant about the basic tenets of his faith.

But, “honour” and, consequential “honour killing” are fairly central artefacts of West Asian, Persian and Arab culture – there’s that word again – and we, in mainstream Canada need to ensure that they are not allowed to find any level of acceptance or understanding here. They are abominations.

Thankfully, I heard on the news that the charge is, once again, First Degree Murder. This is the most and least we can do to remind our fellow citizens that their old cultural values are unacceptable in the civilized society in which they find themselves. “Honour killings” and the cultural values that give rise to them must be wrung out of our society; those who cannot give up their old cultural values must be separated from our civilized society because they are barbarians.
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 15:51:21 »
Where exactly is the honour in killing a 50 year old woman and three teen aged girls?
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 16:06:26 »
As much as it burns my more sensible side to admit it, from the details gleaned from media reports etc when this happened I suspected from day one (ya, I follow these kinds of things, I'm a criminal justice nerd) this was a) no accident and b) had a cultural connection.

And yes, I got the 'cultural' connection from the names of the victims. Four women from a recently immigrated Afghan family found dead in a car in a canal where a car accident is near impossible. Someone tell me I'm not a bad person for assuming this (and regrettebly being proven correct).

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 16:18:57 »
Someone tell me I'm not a bad person for assuming this (and regrettebly being proven correct).

You're not a bad person for assuming the worst Piper.


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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 16:23:58 »
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Where exactly is the honour in killing a 50 year old woman your spouse and three teen aged girls your three daughters?
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2009, 08:11:01 »
And yes, I got the 'cultural' connection from the names of the victims. Four women from a recently immigrated Afghan family found dead in a car in a canal where a car accident is near impossible. Someone tell me I'm not a bad person for assuming this (and regrettebly being proven correct).

You're not alone: I had actually read an article on honour killings about a week ago, and I too thought this could have been an honour killing.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2009, 10:29:02 »
The entire crime was so methodical... from the backstory of the little girl "joyriding", to the boy taking the other car back to Quebec in the early hours of the morning before the family "noticed" the Nissan was missing.  Then they make an appearance on TV...  Of course he's sad and upset, he just (allegedly) killed half his family.
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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2009, 10:51:29 »
There is no place in our future as a race for "honour" like this.

It pisses me off that people import this cultural bullshit along with themselves to our country.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2009, 11:06:40 »
There are some updates on R.Tripp's blog CanCrime today including a copy of the court document.

How very, very sad for these four women who probably came to Canada hoping for a better life.

Kudos to Canadian Law Enforcement.  :cdn:



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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2009, 20:44:58 »
A relative of one of the accused puts some spin on the matter:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act

Teens' death no honour killing: victims' relative

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24/07/2009 4:13:04 PM



The great aunt of three teenagers found dead in a submerged car in the Rideau Canal last month says their deaths were a result of "sabotage," and not caused by a culture clash.

CTV.ca News Staff

At a press conference on Thursday, Kingston police said they're investigating the possibility the three girls, who were found dead on June 30 with a woman now identified as their stepmother, were victims of a so-called "honour killing."

The four victims in this case, "all shared the rights within our great country to live without fear, to enjoy safety and security, and to exercise freedom of choice and expression, and yet had their lives cut short," Kingston Police Chief Stephen Tanner said at the press conference.

But Zarmina Fazel, the aunt of the girls' mother, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, has alleged in an interview with the Toronto Star that the four victims died as part of a suicide bid by the eldest daughter, Zainab Shafia, 19.

"Zainab was not normal," Fazel said. She defended both parents, saying the father of the family, Mohammed Shafia, was "a very honest man" and that the teens' mother was "not that kind of person."

Zainab's body was discovered with those of two younger sisters, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, on June 30. The fourth passenger in the submerged vehicle has been identified as Rona Amir Mohammed, 50.

The parents of the three teenage girls and a brother, 18-year-old Hamed Mohammad Shafia, have been charged with first-degree murder and with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with their deaths.

The Shafia family came to Canada from Afghanistan, part of the world in which so-called "honour killings," or the practice of murdering female relatives deemed to have brought shame on a family, has been known to occur.

They were on their way back to their home near Montreal, in Saint-Leonard, Que., around the time the submerged car was discovered. The family had been returning from a trip to Niagara Falls.

Meanwhile, residents of Saint-Leonard reacted with shock on Friday at news that the father, mother, and eldest son of the Shafia family had been charged in relation to the teens' deaths.

From the get-go, police said they were treating the deaths as "suspicious."

The three accused are being held in police custody until their next court appearance on Aug. 6.


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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 21:28:09 »
... and at least one of the victims was still belted in when they recovered the car. You do the figuring.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2009, 22:06:15 »
They do thse 'honour killings' in their own country, and now they do it in ours (both Canada and Australia), and that goes to show you how much they respect their new adopted country, it's culture and our laws.

Pathetic.

Lets hope they spend the rest of their lives in gaol.

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2009, 22:13:36 »
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I do agree with you.  Some of these people (of all Cultures) have emigrated to our countries, and have been unable to leave their ....... shall we say..... less desireable "Cultural habits" behind.   

We should be more 'stringent' in educating them as to what our cultures expect of them, and enlighten then as to our "LAWS".

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Re: Deaths of four Afghan women in Kingston "an honor killing"
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2009, 22:26:45 »
Fair enough George, but these are the only types who do these honour killings, and perhaps they should grasp something we all have, and thats common sense as they know its unacceptable here in the west, but maybe they know how pi$$ weak our legal system is, and have to sit in a gaol for a few years before they regain their freedom. I wonder what defence their lawyers will use ::)

Overall we have all sorts of disgusting crimes committed by our own citizens, but I find these honour killings something from the dark ages, and totally 'unwestern' in their 'sense' in their justification of such sick and twisted things.

Family is what life is all about, and to plan a MURDER of a family member for (example, say the wearing 'western' dress to school when told to wear the cultural one - remember this recent case?), not a crime of passion or such, but to be cunning and openly KILL in cold blood is unacceptable, and there is no excuse for it.

Throw a way the key, adn seet an example please.

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