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Driver's License suspension
« on: April 04, 2011, 12:07:03 »
Hello,

I applied for RMC a few months ago and did all the tests I had to do and was recently merit listed. I called this morning to make sure they received my latest report card from school and they told me they did.

What my recruiter also told me is that before further actions were taken with my admission, somebody had to call me concerning my security check (which was fine last week). He told me that they found "something" and that someone was going to call me today or tomorrow about it.

I had my license suspended 4 months ago for driving under the influence. I HAVE NOT been judge guilty and I am currently contesting the charges.

I am thinking they are going to call me to ask me about my license getting suspended but I wanted to ask if anyone had similar problems or knew about this case.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 12:12:20 »
On a criminal records check, charges currently before the courts (which you stated your's are - you are currently contesting the charges) normally show up, so it's likely in relation to that.

Also, if you're not a currently enrolled member of the CF, please lose the rank as an avatar. There are many people on here who've worked hard to get where they are and to earn the insignia. And yes, it actually does matter quite a bit to many of the people on this site.

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 12:12:40 »
Call the Recruiting centre and talk to them about it, they will tell you what will apply to your specific case. A DUI won't look good though, just IMO.


Also, untill you are actually in the CF, you may want to change your avatar as you are not yet a OCdt.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 12:35:12 »
Call the Recruiting centre and talk to them about it, they will tell you what will apply to your specific case. A DUI won't look good though, just IMO.


Also, untill you are actually in the CF, you may want to change your avatar as you are not yet a OCdt.

Just did, thanks for the tips. Looking for more info if anyone has any. Going to call the RC soon.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 14:11:07 »
I HAVE NOT been judge guilty and I am currently contesting the charges.

Guilty or not, if it is before the courts it is a legal obligation. As far as I understand you must be free of all legal obligations before enrolling. This doesn't necessarily mean you are guilty as even being a witness to a crime needing to testify is considered a legal obligation. It is just easier for all parties involved not to have to deal with anything of that nature.

That being said, I am neither a recruiter nor a lawyer so take it with a grain of salt if you so desire, but I am fairly certain my information is accurate.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 14:17:39 »
Guilty or not, if it is before the courts it is a legal obligation. As far as I understand you must be free of all legal obligations before enrolling. This doesn't necessarily mean you are guilty as even being a witness to a crime needing to testify is considered a legal obligation. It is just easier for all parties involved not to have to deal with anything of that nature.

That being said, I am neither a recruiter nor a lawyer so take it with a grain of salt if you so desire, but I am fairly certain my information is accurate.

I'll stand by you on this one. I was asked about Legal Obligations (pending charges, witness to an event, and even Jury Duty) during my interview and again when they called with my Offer. They won't process an application if you have any.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 15:52:45 »
I'll stand by you on this one. I was asked about Legal Obligations (pending charges, witness to an event, and even Jury Duty) during my interview and again when they called with my Offer. They won't process an application if you have any.

Talked with the RC ealier today. So basically they're putting my admission file on hold until I am done with the legal process. So when I am done with this in early september they want me to get back to them with the court papers and verdict. Then they can proceed to next step with my file.

I know not much people are in my situation but if it can help anybody... Also, you guys were right, they will not go on with your case if you have ANY legal obligations.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 17:07:15 »
Just looking for OP to follow up on what happened with this if he still uses the forum..I realize this is an old thread, but nonetheless, one on almost exactly my same situation...let me explain.

September 2012, I smashed my car into a pole, and got charged with DUI. I plead guilty (with a lawyer) at the "earliest opportunity" in the court system (aka next court date after getting disclosure) which I was told shows taking accountability (by my lawyer and the judge). I was thus sentenced to one year of "probation" for which my only conditions are to keep the peace, to complete community hours which I've already completed a third of, and to pay a fine which Ive made arrangements to pay this month. My major question is, because I know nobody can give me an exact answer, how likely is this to affect my application? I'm solid in all other areas (average credit, physically fit, college graduate, lots of work experience and references, etc..) but is this considered a "legel obligation" even if by the time I meet with a recruiter the fine will be paid and the hours completed? I would not need to meet with my PO until the end of my probation at that point, and since my interest is in the ROTP, this would not affect my ability to be deployed or anything since thats way down the line anyway...I wouldnt even be able to start school until the probation is over judging by university application deadlines.

If anyone has an answer or any type of similar experience with something like this, please share it! Obviously, no two situations are the same and nobody can give me a definitive answer, but I'm sure I can at least get an idea of what to expect from some replies. FYI for those of you in a bad mood today, Ive already read that criminal record can affect your application, Im just looking for lived experience applying with a DUI or someone who has applied to CF with a record, or even someone who thinks they have a good answer. If you've read all of this, you deserve my thanks already, so, thank you!
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 17:16:05 »
The proper term is "subject to a judicial obligation".   Hence, probation and the suspension of a drivers licence would fall into this category and make you ineligible for processing and or enrolment in the CF.  Once you have met your "judicial obligations" then you would be eligible for processing.  The next hurdle would be the Criminal Records Name Check and subsequent granting of a "Reliability Clearance" which is part of the processing.  Your previous indescretions would definitely come up and it would be addressed by an MCC at your local recruiting centre at that time.

So after you have met and completed all the judicial obligations awarded, then it would be up to your respective CFRC as to whether or not they would grant you a Reliability Clearance.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 17:40:33 »
Alright, fairly clear, thanks for the quick reply, and I'll be sure to use the correct terms next time, haha. My next question is then, based on the fact the waiting periods seem to exceed the term remaining on my probation, and my license will be reinstated prior to then as well (though I dont understand why that matters, Im sure theres applicants who get in with no license to begin with), should I file my application documents and wait to speak with a recruiter, or should I wait until the probation period has totally completed? Wait until the last month? Obviously, like everyone else, Id like to get my application processed as quickly as possible, so I'm just trying to figure out the best time to begin all of this.

Also, if this is even an answerable question (maybe from someone who applied with a record before), how likely is this to get my application denied even if I should apply post-probation and license reinstatement? I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do. Basically I'm asking if I'm on a level playing field with people not scoring perfect in the other areas. Previous posted mentioned it'll be up to a recruiter, I get that, again just looking for an idea of what to expect based on others experiences and knowledge. Thanks again everyone!
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 18:05:06 »
Not like you robbed a bank or molested anyone? What if that pole you hit was a minivan and you wiped out a family? DUI isn't not just an "aww schucks" offense. You'll never have an even playing field until you get a pardon, you have been convicted of a crime, no matter how you look at it.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 18:20:54 »
Alright, fairly clear, thanks for the quick reply, and I'll be sure to use the correct terms next time, haha. My next question is then, based on the fact the waiting periods seem to exceed the term remaining on my probation, and my license will be reinstated prior to then as well (though I dont understand why that matters, Im sure theres applicants who get in with no license to begin with),

What matters isn't whether you have a license or not, but that you lost your license and why it happened...the military takes a dim view on DUI these days.

I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do. Basically I'm asking if I'm on a level playing field with people not scoring perfect in the other areas. Previous posted mentioned it'll be up to a recruiter, I get that, again just looking for an idea of what to expect based on others experiences and knowledge. Thanks again everyone!

Like Puck Chaser said, you'll  likely need a pardon, since IIRC, DUI is actually a Criminal Code offence - they don't care how many pushups you can do or how many letters are after your name at the time of application, but they do care about CCoC offences.

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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2013, 18:29:46 »
I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do.

Lots of people play sports. Lots of people have gone to college, and many even to university. Lots of people get good grades. Lots of people aren't flaming retards. The great majority of people aren't criminals.

You made a bloody stupid decision which should add will affect your life negatively for some time. The fact that you appear to not grasp the gravity of your error, nor to take seriously the potentially catastrophic damage you could have done to the lives of others, tells me that we can do without you. I'm particularly stunned that you actually think that at this stage in your life given your extremely recent history and ongoing legal issues that you would be a favourable candidate for ROTP, for commissioning, and most importantly for being entrusted with the lives and well being of soldiers under your command.

You may at some point in the future be just the kind of person we're looking for, but you have considerable maturing to do first. I would not want myself or my soldiers to have to work for you at this time.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 18:43:19 »
I just went through the process and admitted my current legal status from the get go.

I got a blowing over charge back in 2010. Finally settled the case in 2011 with a conditional discharge with 1 year probation which included a driving suspension and community hours as well as all the usual mandatory things like keep the peace and be of good behaviour.

I know you mentioned having one year probation so I am assuming you were given a conditional discharge and not a conviction. Difference being a conviction requires a pardon and a conditional discharge is sealed once three years from the date of your sentencing is complete.

I applied once finished probation and had my licence back and I was just very honest and up front about everything they asked about it.

Don't hold anything back.

But I am very sure that you need to wait things out until your probation is complete because it is a legal obligation due to you having to see a parole officer. Can't very well do that if you are shipped to BMQ.

During your waiting time for your probation to end I would suggest finding ways to beef your resume.
Volunteering is a great way to show that you are a model citizen, full time job in a position of authority shows leadership and responsibility, single courses at a college or university show initiative in betting yourself and improving your resume.

Been there and done that. No you didn't rob a bank but a crime is a crime and you have to pay the piper.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 18:45:57 »
I would not want myself or my soldiers to have to work for you at this time.

Nicely said and a very fair assessment!  The public has to appreciate the enrolment bar has long since been raised.  We are a professional force, not one desperate for any beating pulse.
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 19:06:09 »
I went through this 15 years ago.
It's not an easy road and you will need to pad your resume/file a good bit to overcome the decision to drive while impaired.

If you are convicted and hold a criminal record I would suggest to get a pardon(as I have) for the conviction.

The stupidity in your post, well there's no cure for that and only time might change your thoughts.

I STRONGLY urge you to volunteer at MADD events or at some type of organization that deals with accident victims, their families etc.

When you truly think about what the outcome of your actions could have been that night, the lives effected by hopping in that drivers seat, you'll start to appreciate what others are posting here.

As it is now, I personally do not think you understand what has happened.


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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 19:18:06 »
Lots of people play sports. Lots of people have gone to college, and many even to university. Lots of people get good grades. Lots of people aren't flaming retards. The great majority of people aren't criminals.

You made a bloody stupid decision which should add will affect your life negatively for some time. The fact that you appear to not grasp the gravity of your error, nor to take seriously the potentially catastrophic damage you could have done to the lives of others, tells me that we can do without you. I'm particularly stunned that you actually think that at this stage in your life given your extremely recent history and ongoing legal issues that you would be a favourable candidate for ROTP, for commissioning, and most importantly for being entrusted with the lives and well being of soldiers under your command.

You may at some point in the future be just the kind of person we're looking for, but you have considerable maturing to do first. I would not want myself or my soldiers to have to work for you at this time.

I think you and the others above may have misunderstood what I meant. I agree with you, I made a very stupid decision. I could have hurt or killed someone, not to mention myself. I feel incredibly bad about it and have since it happened, even moreso now that I've learned it will likely have a negative impact on my opportunities with the forces. So, please, don't think that I feel what I did is insignificant, it's not, I simply meant that the law is pretty clear on the fact that DUI is not as serious as bank robbery and child molestation. Also, I don't think I'd be a favorable candidate, which is why I'm here asking these questions and asking for the knowledge and experience of those who know more than I do about this subject, such as yourself. I agree also that I have maturing to do, and hope to better myself with or without a place in the forces...I'd just much rather do it with. If you asked me to lead your soldiers at this exact point in my life, I'd tell you I didn't feel I was ready for the responsibility, because I'm not. Would I be ready wit more education, more years gone by in my life, and a solid amount of training in the army? I'm almost sure of it, that's why I'm interested.

Duncam, that information is somewhat relieving, however, it was a conviction I recieved and not a conditional discharge. The fact you were honest about it anyway and were still accepted is good news on that note. Also, I do hold down a full time job in social services as well as working part-time in security (mostly large events/bodyguard services at this point). I have some volunteering under my belt, but maybe thats something I should into doing more of...do any particular places stand to recruiters more? College courses, should my finances permit, are also an idea I'd considered, especially since many are conducted online now. Any other suggestions? Thanks again to everyone, though not all the news made me smile, I appreciate knowing!
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 19:19:00 »
Alright, fairly clear, thanks for the quick reply, and I'll be sure to use the correct terms next time, haha. My next question is then, based on the fact the waiting periods seem to exceed the term remaining on my probation, and my license will be reinstated prior to then as well (though I dont understand why that matters, Im sure theres applicants who get in with no license to begin with), should I file my application documents and wait to speak with a recruiter, or should I wait until the probation period has totally completed? Wait until the last month? Obviously, like everyone else, Id like to get my application processed as quickly as possible, so I'm just trying to figure out the best time to begin all of this.

Also, if this is even an answerable question (maybe from someone who applied with a record before), how likely is this to get my application denied even if I should apply post-probation and license reinstatement? I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do. Basically I'm asking if I'm on a level playing field with people not scoring perfect in the other areas. Previous posted mentioned it'll be up to a recruiter, I get that, again just looking for an idea of what to expect based on others experiences and knowledge. Thanks again everyone!

You can apply, every Canadian Citizen has the "right" to make application.  Chances are your application will not go anywhere and you will be advised that "Due to judicial obligations which you have declared.....etc, etc, you are currently not eligible for processing, blah blah blah"

Your other question can't be answered with any certainty until after you are "eligible" for processing and then should your file be forwarded to your local CFRC, it will be at the discretion of your MCC (Military Career Counsellor) and not a Recruiter.  And while some people like to "minimize" such offences as DUI and as kindly mentioned above, it is still an offence under the "Criminal Code of Canada" and does have repurcussions.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 19:21:09 »
I think you and the others above may have misunderstood what I meant. I agree with you, I made a very stupid decision. I could have hurt or killed someone, not to mention myself. I feel incredibly bad about it and have since it happened, even moreso now that I've learned it will likely have a negative impact on my opportunities with the forces. So, please, don't think that I feel what I did is insignificant, it's not, I simply meant that the law is pretty clear on the fact that DUI is not as serious as bank robbery and child molestation. Also, I don't think I'd be a favorable candidate, which is why I'm here asking these questions and asking for the knowledge and experience of those who know more than I do about this subject, such as yourself. I agree also that I have maturing to do, and hope to better myself with or without a place in the forces...I'd just much rather do it with. If you asked me to lead your soldiers at this exact point in my life, I'd tell you I didn't feel I was ready for the responsibility, because I'm not. Would I be ready wit more education, more years gone by in my life, and a solid amount of training in the army? I'm almost sure of it, that's why I'm interested.

Duncam, that information is somewhat relieving, however, it was a conviction I recieved and not a conditional discharge. The fact you were honest about it anyway and were still accepted is good news on that note. Also, I do hold down a full time job in social services as well as working part-time in security (mostly large events/bodyguard services at this point). I have some volunteering under my belt, but maybe thats something I should into doing more of...do any particular places stand to recruiters more? College courses, should my finances permit, are also an idea I'd considered, especially since many are conducted online now. Any other suggestions? Thanks again to everyone, though not all the news made me smile, I appreciate knowing!

Fair enough. Bear in mind also that Duncam is applying for NCM, whereas you're applying for an ROTP officer position. Those tend to be quite a bit harder to get into than noncommissioned combat arms trades. You have a considerable uphill struggle ahead of you, as the recruiting system is as much concerned with 'what is your potential NOW?' versus 'what potential might you have if you pay for you to go to university for four years?'. You likely won't look like a good bet next to many others. I would have backup plans to ROTP, both within and without the military.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2013, 19:30:52 »
I went through this 15 years ago.
It's not an easy road and you will need to pad your resume/file a good bit to overcome the decision to drive while impaired.

If you are convicted and hold a criminal record I would suggest to get a pardon(as I have) for the conviction.

The stupidity in your post, well there's no cure for that and only time might change your thoughts.

I STRONGLY urge you to volunteer at MADD events or at some type of organization that deals with accident victims, their families etc.

When you truly think about what the outcome of your actions could have been that night, the lives effected by hopping in that drivers seat, you'll start to appreciate what others are posting here.

As it is now, I personally do not think you understand what has happened.

Well, hopefully your opinion changes after reading my above post...again I feel theres been a pretty big misunderstanding about what I meant. However, your idea about volunteering with MADD has given me an idea regarding the latter part of my above post, and maybe that would help to show a recruiter I've learned from what I've done and understand the magnitude.

Again not to take away from the seriousness of what I did, but this is also a crime that many people have comitted and not been caught for. I got caught, and I took responsibility for it in court. I get that most people aren't criminals, but most people aren't applying to the army either, so I'm looking to learn about where I stand with my fellow applicants overall. Thanks everyone.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2013, 19:41:30 »
Again not to take away from the seriousness of what I did, but this is also a crime that many people have comitted and not been caught for. I got caught, and I took responsibility for it in court.

There you go again......you are still minimizing the fact that you have been convicted, where others haven't.  And you took responsibility because you had no choice but to.

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 19:42:11 »
Again not to take away from the seriousness of what I did, but this is also a crime that many people have comitted and not been caught for. I got caught, and I took responsibility for it in court. I get that most people aren't criminals, but most people aren't applying to the army either, so I'm looking to learn about where I stand with my fellow applicants overall. Thanks everyone.

If you didn't take responsibility for it in the first place, odds are that it would have only been a matter of time before you were proven guilty, so that really doesn't change things at all.

When Brihard said that most people aren't criminals, he was referring to other applicants, so I don't really see why you mentioned that most people don't apply to the Forces.

Finally, no need to answer to this last comment. Put yourself in the position of a member of the selection board. Would you rather hire an applicant who has less extra curriculars and slightly lower grades, or would you rather hire the guy who has committed a crime and just finished probation?

Just something to think about.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 20:29:49 »
There you go again......you are still minimizing the fact that you have been convicted, where others haven't.  And you took responsibility because you had no choice but to.

What's done is done and can't be undone for some time.  Now you have to just live with it.

OK I see what you're saying, but I'm hardly the first forces applicant with a record. Not sure where I'm minimizing it, it's a simple fact...I have a conviction on my record, there's no making it more or less important. I'm just saying, I'm clearly not the first and certainly won't be the last. Also, sure, I may have been convicted at trial, I actually had a very good potential defense in that my breath sample could easily have been contaminated by the prior surgery on my lip. I took responsibility because I wanted to, because I knew what I did was wrong, and that it would only be worse to waste tens of thousands of tax dollars on a trial when I knew I was guilty, even if I was found not guilty.

As for SeR, I'm sure thats what brihard meant, and I'm not arguing with him, but this seems to be becoming more about people ranting on the seriousness of drunk driving or why they think I haven't learned my lesson. Unless you're the one deciding if I'm in or out, none of that really matters. That's why I made the comment you referred to. My honest answer to the latter part of your post is that is judge neither solely based on their grades, or their criminal record, but more on their character. Someone who's had had to learn the hard way knows better than someone else who never has, and really, there's less reoffenders for what I did than there are first timers...thus, the young (say my age, 22) man/woman you described in comparison to me is statistically more likely to drink and drive than I am...just something to keep in mind. And before you lose it, yes, I get that having a record period shows you can make bad choices, I'm just saying everyone CAN and does make bad choices, not everyone gets caught, and an even smaller amount take responsibility when they do.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 20:48:23 »
OK I see what you're saying, but I'm hardly the first forces applicant with a record. Not sure where I'm minimizing it, it's a simple fact...I have a conviction on my record, there's no making it more or less important. I'm just saying, I'm clearly not the first and certainly won't be the last.

Yep, and since the CF is full, your record is going to put you at the bottom of the pile. You and another applicant have the exact same file, but yours has a DUI. Guess who gets picked? You made a life choice, pled guilty and now have to live with that life choice. A pardon clears your record and you look like an average joe again. Considering we kick people out for alcohol misconduct, you want to start your career with one strike already against you?

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2013, 20:48:54 »
Someone who's had had to learn the hard way knows better than someone else who never has.

Or perhaps the person who never had to "learn the hard way" already knew better.  ::)

There's less reoffenders for what I did than there are first timers...thus, the young (say my age, 22) man/woman you described in comparison to me is statistically more likely to drink and drive than I am.

As far as the CF (or any employer) is concerned, they don't care if you are "statistically [less] likely" to re-offend. What they care about is that you have a criminal past, whereas other applicants don't.

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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2013, 20:50:12 »
OK I see what you're saying, but I'm hardly the first forces applicant with a record. Not sure where I'm minimizing it, it's a simple fact...I have a conviction on my record, there's no making it more or less important. I'm just saying, I'm clearly not the first and certainly won't be the last. Also, sure, I may have been convicted at trial, I actually had a very good potential defense in that my breath sample could easily have been contaminated by the prior surgery on my lip. I took responsibility because I wanted to, because I knew what I did was wrong, and that it would only be worse to waste tens of thousands of tax dollars on a trial when I knew I was guilty, even if I was found not guilty.

As for SeR, I'm sure thats what brihard meant, and I'm not arguing with him, but this seems to be becoming more about people ranting on the seriousness of drunk driving or why they think I haven't learned my lesson. Unless you're the one deciding if I'm in or out, none of that really matters. That's why I made the comment you referred to. My honest answer to the latter part of your post is that is judge neither solely based on their grades, or their criminal record, but more on their character. Someone who's had had to learn the hard way knows better than someone else who never has, and really, there's less reoffenders for what I did than there are first timers...thus, the young (say my age, 22) man/woman you described in comparison to me is statistically more likely to drink and drive than I am...just something to keep in mind. And before you lose it, yes, I get that having a record period shows you can make bad choices, I'm just saying everyone CAN and does make bad choices, not everyone gets caught, and an even smaller amount take responsibility when they do.

You're minimizing things by saying "I got caught where others didn't".  You can't use that as a defense for something that was wrong.  So I don't hear anyone who was caught robbing a bank or comitting a more henious crime saying..........
Again not to take away from the seriousness of what I did, but this is also a crime that many people have comitted and not been caught for. I got caught, and I took responsibility for it in court.

I can honestly say, that should you ever get called by the CF for an interview or any other employer for that fact, you will be ask the question.  And if you respond by saying "not to take away from the seriousness of what I did, but this is also a crime that many people have comitted and not been caught for"

Did you also know, that you may very well not be "admissable" for entry into the US or any other foreign country and that you may also not be "bondable" for civilian employment where such a requirement exists.

After being caught and taking responsibility is neither here nor there.

If you want to apply to the CF, go right ahead, it's your right.  Nobody here on this forum is going to be able to accurately judge and or assess your credentials for acceptance.
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 20:54:49 »
Someone who's had had to learn the hard way knows better than someone else who never has, and really, there's less reoffenders for what I did than there are first timers...thus, the young (say my age, 22) man/woman you described in comparison to me is statistically more likely to drink and drive than I am...just something to keep in mind.

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No. See, most of us are simply smart enough from the outset not to commit criminal offences like that. Nobody's impressed that you've 'learned the hard way', because most people are never dumb enough to need to. That scores you zero points at all.

Take that rationalization and try to apply it to negligent homicide, fraud, or sexual assault. Would it impress you at all? I hope not.

You came into this thread wanting to know how your standing against other meritorious candidates will be in light of your criminal record: Nice simple answer for you; not good. As I said, have other plans ready to carry you through the next several years when this doesn't pan out for you.
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2013, 20:59:15 »
You made the choices to be a fuckup and now you're dealing with it. It doesn't matter if you only got cuaght and charged when others don't. Simply put, you ****ed up, deal with it and move on.
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2013, 21:00:26 »
 Anyway, just for the person who down the road searches the same phrase I did and finds this, or for the rest of you with old information, "pardons" don't exist anymore. One can now obtain a "record suspension," which is effectively the same thing, though there are some important differences.

And, for a laugh, who in this thread has NEVER committed a crime or done something that could have led to being charged (ie speeding, public intoxication, opening a drink in a store even if you paid for it after, "sampling" grapes, etc)? Let's be honest men now, nobody is a saint, lol...many things you've done in your life could have landed any number of you in my shoes, and many of those same offences are looked upon as on par with what I did in the law books. Don't believe me? See for yourself,dont take it from me, look it up. Jaywalking could land you in prison if someone a swerves to avoid you and kills someone doing it. Let me guess, were gonna crucify jaywalkers now?

Well, we clearly understand each other, no sense talking in circles...

 I get your points, hopefully you get mine. You'd actually be surprised how many employers overlook DUI being on your record, including the ministry of community safety and correctional services here in Ontario. Not saying they're right or wrong for it, just saying in general.

Though it clearly isn't the best news, I appreciate you guys responding and regardless of what the first recruiter says, I'm never going to give up on this. Any further experiences or information anyone has would still be greatly appreciated

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2013, 21:39:05 »
And, for a laugh, who in this thread has NEVER committed a crime or done something that could have led to being charged (ie speeding, public intoxication, opening a drink in a store even if you paid for it after, "sampling" grapes, etc)? Let's be honest men now, nobody is a saint, lol...many things you've done in your life could have landed any number of you in my shoes, and many of those same offences are looked upon as on par with what I did in the law books. Don't believe me? See for yourself,dont take it from me, look it up. Jaywalking could land you in prison if someone a swerves to avoid you and kills someone doing it. Let me guess, were gonna crucify jaywalkers now?t well, we clearly understand each other, no sense talking in circles.

All the deflection and obfuscation in the world doesn't change the fact that you were convicted of drunk driving, a criminal offense, and that you continue to try to minimize and negate the significance and severity of what you did. You're simply digging yourself deeper and bringing further contempt and scorn down upon yourself.

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« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2013, 21:43:05 »
And, for a laugh, who in this thread has NEVER committed a crime or done something that could have led to being charged (ie speeding, public intoxication, opening a drink in a store even if you paid for it after, "sampling" grapes, etc)? Let's be honest men now, nobody is a saint, lol...many things you've done in your life could have landed any number of you in my shoes, and many of those same offences are looked upon as on par with what I did in the law books. Don't believe me? See for yourself,dont take it from me, look it up. Jaywalking could land you in prison if someone a swerves to avoid you and kills someone doing it. Let me guess, were gonna crucify jaywalkers now?

Now you're just being stubborn and trying to convince yourself that your crime is insignificant. There's quite a difference between speeding and driving under the influence. If there wasn't, the consequences would be the same.

For the record, speeding isn't even a criminal offense (unless your 50 km/h over the limit). Drunk driving is.
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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2013, 22:08:40 »
Hi POINTFIVEOH

I'm an MP, Military Police Cpl at a fairly large and busy base. I've attended numerous calls for DUIs, public intoxication (which in the CF is a chargeble offense), domestic violence involving alcohol and others. In fact, I think if you take away the mundane calls (building insecurities, lost Military ID) more than 60% of my files involve alcohol.

If you can't figure out why no one around here seems to take a liking to you, it's because the CF is a small community. The PMQs (if you ever live in them) are usually a smaller community still. No one likes you because you are the guy that can't take responsibility for his actions, and no one wants you to hit their kids, spouses or parents.

Most impaired drivers we stop have been charged, or stopped at the very least numerous times. Almost never is it a persons first time driving impaired, and very rarely it is their last.



And for anyone else who is curious:

Probation, statuatory release, community service, and parole are a part of your sentence. They are all considered a judicial obligation.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2013, 22:10:48 »
So if someone you knew got killed by a drunk driver its not so bad. Come on now. Driving drunk is 100% on you. No one else. And the fact that you think its ok and that you should even be looked at over someone without a dd charge makes me sick
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2013, 22:22:53 »
Sigh...I'm giving up on this thread lol thanks for your removal of my mp points and your commentary everyone. Whenever I do makeit into the forces, iI'd like to meet you in person soyou can all tell me the same thing over and over again without considering my point. There's no minimization, deflection, or whatever you wish to call it in what I'm saying. What I did was wrong, no doubt about it, if you want to pretend to be saints that's all you. I know how I feel about what happened, I know I could've left a 3 year olds brain splattered across the pavement or had their mothers head smoking in my radiator. Me knowing that doesn't change that it was wrong, just like you thinking I'm minimizing doesn't change the fact I'm not. If anyone has any actual advice for me or can share an experience of theirs or a friends, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks gentlemen, and please, keep your judgements about me to yourself. Kudos to brihard and duncam for the only useful info in here, even though the former seems not to like me very much LOL
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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2013, 22:28:06 »
Whenever I do makeit into the forces If I make it into the forces.
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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2013, 22:34:22 »
Sigh...I'm giving up on this thread lol thanks for your removal of my mp points and your commentary everyone. Whenever I do makeit into the forces, iI'd like to meet you in person soyou can all tell me the same thing over and over again without considering my point. There's no minimization, deflection, or whatever you wish to call it in what I'm saying. What I did was wrong, no doubt about it, if you want to pretend to be saints that's all you. I know how I feel about what happened, I know I could've left a 3 year olds brain splattered across the pavement or had their mothers head smoking in my radiator. Me knowing that doesn't change that it was wrong, just like you thinking I'm minimizing doesn't change the fact I'm not. If anyone has any actual advice for me or can share an experience of theirs or a friends, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks gentlemen, and please, keep your judgements about me to yourself. Kudos to brihard and duncam for the only useful info in here, even though the former seems not to like me very much LOL

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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2013, 22:45:22 »
Sigh...I'm giving up on this thread lol thanks for your removal of my mp points and your commentary everyone. Whenever I do makeit into the forces, iI'd like to meet you in person soyou can all tell me the same thing over and over again without considering my point. There's no minimization, deflection, or whatever you wish to call it in what I'm saying. What I did was wrong, no doubt about it, if you want to pretend to be saints that's all you. I know how I feel about what happened, I know I could've left a 3 year olds brain splattered across the pavement or had their mothers head smoking in my radiator. Me knowing that doesn't change that it was wrong, just like you thinking I'm minimizing doesn't change the fact I'm not. If anyone has any actual advice for me or can share an experience of theirs or a friends, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks gentlemen, and please, keep your judgements about me to yourself. Kudos to brihard and duncam for the only useful info in here, even though the former seems not to like me very much LOL

Please do not mistake me for disliking you; I don't. I have too little to work off of to determine whether you're personally likeable or not, and besides that it's irrelevant. It's simply my opinion as a soldier and a leader that you are not fit to be an officer in the Canadian Forces because at this stage in your life you serve a poor example and do not reflect our professional values and ethos, and I would not be comfortable seeing my soldiers under your command nor being there myself. My viewpoint on this is strictly a professional one, not a personal one, and I would be perfectly willing to say it to your face if you insisted on that in order to take my words seriously.

Despite the very broad and varied membership here, I think very few of us will be able to relate any experiences, either personal or from friends, of people who have been admitted to ROTP and commissioned as officers coming off of recent criminal convictions for DUI. You can draw your own conclusions as to why that may be the case.
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2013, 22:55:51 »
Well, what kind of officer would I make if I gave up early because a bunch of guys on the internet told me I don't stand a good chance? 5 months, 5 years, either way, I will see you guys in the forces one day, and like it or not, should some of you be NCMs when I'm done all the pre-req schooling, you might just end up working for me  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2013, 23:06:30 »
pointfiveoh:

Rather than the circular argument you keep making, have a read of how serious the CAF treats Alcohol Misconduct and the consequences it has for serving members.  Then stop and think for a second about why it is you, who have done the exact same thing, should be enrolled into the CAF when you have already proven your inability to use alcohol responsibly.

DAOD 5019-7, Alcohol Misconduct


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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2013, 23:10:06 »
Well, what kind of officer would I make if I gave up early because a bunch of guys on the internet told me I don't stand a good chance? 5 months, 5 years, either way, I will see you guys in the forces one day, and like it or not, should some of you be NCMs when I'm done all the pre-req schooling, you might just end up working for me  ;D

We don't work for you. We serve under you. I advise that you EARN the respect of those under you. We may follow your orders, but what we ncms do, reflects how you look. And you can bet your *** that we won't help you if you think you're better then us.
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« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2013, 23:29:48 »
pointfiveoh:

Rather than the circular argument you keep making, have a read of how serious the CAF treats Alcohol Misconduct and the consequences it has for serving members.  Then stop and think for a second about why it is you, who have done the exact same thing, should be enrolled into the CAF when you have already proven your inability to use alcohol responsibly.

DAOD 5019-7, Alcohol Misconduct


See, now that's some useful information. Thanks man.

And artyman, I hope to some day have a team of dedicated soldiers to work with. Men and women who do what they do becsuse they want to do it, not becase their officer is a nice and respectable guy. I'd most certainly hope to earn their respect as opposed to demanding it, but if I do find someone like yourself associated with me in our duties, Ill have no issue demanding it. I do wish that wouldn't be the case, though. Oh, and if I thought I was better than you at any point, I can safely assure you it has nothing to do with what rank you hold in the military. My apologies about using the incorrect wording.
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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2013, 23:44:40 »
I'd most certainly hope to earn their respect as opposed to demanding it, but if I do find someone like yourself associated with me in our duties, Ill have no issue demanding it.

You woefully misunderstand the difference between 'respect', and 'the lawful authority that a superior exerts over their followers by virtue of rank or appointment'. Respect can be demanded until one is blue in the face, but can only be given consensually. It differs from obedience or politeness in that regard. You should also recognize that a junior officer's future is determined by many factors, and that there is a quiet but real role played by the senior NCOs appointed directly below them. I would dismiss immediately the notion that you will ever be able to 'demand respect', because we have all seen it before, it's blatantly transparent when it's happening, and it doesn't work. Respect is either earned or it is not.
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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2013, 23:51:02 »
Which is exactly why I included the rest of my post in my post. Demanded respect is never "respect," just the feigning of it. That being said, everyone can be an ***hole. I much prefer the other, easier way.
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« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2013, 07:43:17 »

............ I'd most certainly hope to earn their respect as opposed to demanding it, but if I do find someone like yourself associated with me in our duties, Ill have no issue demanding it.

Sorry.  With all the self-centered, self-importance, superior attitude displayed in you your posts so far in this thread, the above highlighted part of your post demonstrated to me that I personally would not wish to see you as an officer in any position within the Canadian military.  I personally would have little to do with you in any capacity, military or civilian.  To put it bluntly; your attitude sucks.  One can not demand respect.
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« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2013, 08:00:36 »
You guys ever heard of "constructive criticism?" If a thousand of you show up to this thread and speak on the subject of my attitude, my past decisions in life, whether or not I learned my lesson, or whether or not I understand a 2000 some-odd pound car can kill someone, I'm still not going to give up on this.I asked for advice, not your opinion of me. If you'd like to suggest how I should better my attitude or how I should go about improving my chances, I'm all ears, but I'm not gonna argue in circles with you guys. Remember that you who are in the forces have benefitted from being there, you are the angels you are partially because of your military training and experience, I haven't got that benefit yet, I'm here because I don't know jack s*** about this, from attitude to Zulu.

Reading over some of my posts, I can see why some of you have developed early bad opinions of me. I'd like to apologize for many of those posts as I simply let myself get annoyed with you guys about your comments (more so the ones about me as a person, or the DUI criticisms, and those of you who think I'm stupid enough to not know what I did was wrong). I'm not some self centered prick, and the last thing I want to be is that officer yelling at everyone that I'm sure nobody would miss if there were an "accidental explosion."

Anyway, please continue to share advice, information and experiences with us as I know I won't be then last to search this topic.
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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2013, 08:52:13 »
You got advice a page and a half ago. Your conviction will effect your application in a negative way until such time that you apply for and receive a pardon. You also cannot apply to the CAF if you have a current judicial obligation.

So sorry that you don't like hearing that you screwed up, but you put yourself out there. If you really want to be in the CAF, learn to deal with being told directly when you've screwed something up.

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« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2013, 08:56:08 »
You guys ever heard of "constructive criticism?"

 ::)

I guess everything so far has flown miles over your head.  If you haven't picked up on any of the points yet, we really don't see much hope of your ever applying successfully to become a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, let alone an officer.

Perhaps it is best if you suck back and read more and post less. 
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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2013, 09:02:58 »
If you get into the CF as say, an Armoured Officer and become a Lieutenant, are put into a Troop Leader slot, please come back after you "demand" the respect of the Tp WO, the Sergeant-Major, and the RSM and let us know how that worked out for you.   :nod:

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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2013, 10:18:13 »
Alright, that's fair. That being said, I got the point it will affect my application pages ago, and even to some degree before I made this thread lol what I'm asking for is anyone else's experience with applying to the cf with a record, possibly for a criminal driving offence, and, even if they were initially denied, how they eventually got in. Be it a pardon, volunteering, whatever they did...I've only really got info from two people on their direct experience. Anyone elses information on the question is great too.
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« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2013, 10:28:03 »
<snip> what I'm asking for is anyone else's experience with applying to the cf with a record, <snip>

Some here.

Recruiting > "Criminal Record (merged)":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12896.0.html
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« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2013, 11:33:30 »
Some here.

Recruiting > "Criminal Record (merged)":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12896.0.html

Awesome, that's perfect, thanks.
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« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2013, 11:46:59 »
you must have missed my post, I have been convicted of and did the whole deal the DUI thing in 1999, was enrolled into the forces in 2009.  I received a pardon in 2009 for my stupidity.

The difference with what you will experience in the CF with your current attitude is people under you will do exactly what you ask, no more no less.  They do only what is ordered and will never stick their neck out to save yours period.

I would love to see how many days of Base Duty you would receive for thinking you out rank the RSM or the CWO of your unit....lol

Finally my last bit of advice:
Shut the frig up and listen to what's going on around you, if you are 22 understand this, You DO NOT NOW crap ABOUT crap, if you think you do, you don't.
To improve you application, expect to spend 5 years getting into the forces, get a Pardon for your crime and DO NOT RE-OFFEND in any way.
Start volunteering, hold a job that you can advance in, build some good things on your resume.  Maybe start doing adventure type races, keep building your physical side, etc.

Basically anything you do that can be seen as a positive and placed on your resume will look good to the CF.

But you are definitely not currently ready for CF life, you'd VR in a mater of week.  you need to learn how to be humble and take advice, learn when to shut up and learn when to talk.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2013, 12:41:32 »
Well, I cant argue with that. Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2013, 12:58:49 »
...so there you have it P5O. Overwhelming opinions that confirm the following:

1. You were arrested and charged for DUI, check...Yeah yeah not convicted...yet.

2. You have no sense of remorse for your transgression, check.

3. You are some misguided impression that the Canadian Armed Forces is passing up a golden opportunity not to enroll you, check.

4. You think that leadership is your right and others with far more experience and age must bend over and bow to your superior ways, check.

5. See points 3 and 4 again, check.

6. Your overall attitude is one of a sense of entitlement, check.

7. In the short time you have been on this site you have managed to set a zero null impression of yourself, check. (Well done by the way, you may have a record there.)

How do you rectify your shortcomings...(get used to that comment if you ever make it to phase trg).

1.Simple: Stay on receive instead of transmit
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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2013, 13:05:57 »
You were arrested and charged for DUI, check...Yeah yeah not convicted...yet.

<snip> it was a conviction I recieved and not a conditional discharge.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2013, 13:08:30 »
2, Accept your failures

3. You are entitled to nothing...you earn it.

4. Never piss on the people you meet on the way up...they'll remember you on your way down.

5. Respect for others...personal and professional

6. There is no shortcut

7. Life is hard enough, don't complicate it.

All of these pointers are applicable to...well...life. Master these and then you may have a shot at a career in the military.

That will be five cents please.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2013, 13:19:50 »
You get more bees with honey than vinegar, I'd have paid you ten cents if you followed some of your own advice.

 :2c: :2c:

No one cent on here either, so, looks like you're only getting 4 cents now  :P
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2013, 13:29:01 »
..soooo from two posts you now know me well enough to judge.

See, that's the kind of attitude that makes you come off like a bag of feminine sanitary product.
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« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2013, 13:41:32 »
..soooo from two posts you now know me well enough to judge.

See, that's the kind of attitude that makes you come off like a bag of feminine sanitary product.

And that's coming from someone doing the judging themselves though, that's my point, lol. I was ****ing around anyway...  ::)
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2013, 13:43:37 »
Alrighty. I'm gonna lock this bad boy up for about a day and let things chill out a bit. If anyone has anything they feel genuinely contributes to the topic that they want to add, shoot me a PM and I'll unlock it.

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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2013, 14:29:28 »
So I've read every DUI thread on here, as well as the criminal record thread, and have come to the conclusion from that information and from what I've heard from the knowledgeable members in this thread that the following information is useful and relative to this topic:

1) Your application is reviewed on a variety of factors. It seems the statement "a criminal record does not disqualify you" is true, however, it certainly makes you look bad.

2) If you're forced to wait (as it seems I am) until the end of your "judicial obligations," it would be a wise choice to volunteer somewhere, potentially somewhere related to the care of victims of your offence, and beef up the remainder of your resume.

3) You'll need references, even if you are accepted, it's likely those responsible for accepting you will want to hear from some other people that you're not a career criminal and that you've made improvements since your mistake.

4) If you don't have one already, get a full-time job. It seems CF interviews are like most other job interviews, and having recent work experience is likely a bonus. If you can, get a job in a field relative to what you're interested in doing in the army.

5) Furthering your existing education with training courses or college courses could also be useful in showing dedication and maturity. Again, if you can take a course that's related to your military interests it's an obvious plus.

Basically, if you and four other applicants are being reviewed for acceptance, they're going to balance the various factors. You may have a record, you may also be qualified in ways other applicants aren't, you may be the most fit applicant, you may be the most educated, or with the most experience or best references. Your best bet is to a) do things that show you've both learned from, and matured since, your given run-in with the law b) ensure that, as an applicant, you make your resume competitive c) be ready to convince someone that you're not a total moron and that you are still worth hiring based on the factors beyond your mistake. If you are unable to make your application stand out for reasons other than the stain on your record, you'll likely need a record suspension (previously a "pardon,") you may need one either way depending on the offence and what impact it has on the position you're applying for (ie dui would hold you back from becoming a medic as you need an unrestricted drivers license. Thus, even though you may get your license back, if there is a condition "I" you will be ineligible for positions that require a full license).

If anyone has anything constructively useful to add please do.Thank you everyone, and I hope future army.ca members/readers find this information, and find it useful!

SOME USEFUL RESOURCES THAT WERE SHARED WITH OR FOUND BY ME:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12896.0.html - Criminal Record (merged), thanks to mariomike
http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/5000/5019-7-eng.asp - Forces DAOD on Alcohol Misconduct, thanks to garb811 http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=98610.0 - Thread on joining with a DUI
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=107018.0 - Thread on DUI in the Forces

I will add any more information I find and also update with any of my personal experiences as they come along.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2013, 15:20:12 »
...I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do...

In my line of work I occasionally get to share a very fast, very bumpy ride in the back of an ambulance with someone in the final moments of their life.  Sometimes this is as the result of someone drinking and driving.  I'm pretty sure that those people and their families would agree that while impaired driving is not like molesting kids or robbing banks, sometimes it is a lot like murder. I'm just sayin'.

I sense that you feel you are being unfairly judged by this forum.  Perhaps that is true, perhaps many who have posted here have rushed to judgement without really knowing anything about you.  On the other hand, perhaps the reaction you have received is a bellwether of how people in the CF feel about (a) impaired driving and (b) those who don't take responsibility for their actions.  I have read where you say you take responsibility and accept the consequences and whatnot, but on the other hand you also wrote that it was a bogus charge...you could have got off...lip surgery excuse etc...I infer from these comments that you do not truly take responsibility for your actions.  And as long as this attitude is reflected in what you post on army.ca, I think you can probably expect to receive more of the same.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2013, 15:24:23 »
WRT Brihard not liking you, don't sweat it - he hates everyone.  :)

That's not true. Just drunk drivers, hippies, left handed people, and above all, lippy medics.
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« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2013, 15:57:54 »
But on the other hand you also wrote that it was a bogus charge...you could have got off...lip surgery excuse etc...I infer from these comments that you do not truly take responsibility for your actions.

I'd understand this if I'd actually pursued that defence at a trial, but I never said it was a "bogus charge," and I plead guilty without even mentioning that in court. That was simply something my lawyer suggested. I agree with the rest of your post, and I now understand why everyone judged me and what not...however, day one of being here, I obviously didn't. I'm waiting until October (completion of my probation) to file my application again/send in my documents/whatever CFRC tells me to do in any case, so I'll have plenty of time to redeem myself in the eyes of the community, and follow everyone's advice, by that time.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2013, 16:09:54 »
I'd understand this if I'd actually pursued that defence at a trial, but I never said it was a "bogus charge," and I plead guilty without even mentioning that in court. That was simply something my lawyer suggested. I agree with the rest of your post, and I now understand why everyone judged me and what not...however, day one of being here, I obviously didn't. I'm waiting until October (completion of my probation) to file my application again/send in my documents/whatever CFRC tells me to do in any case, so I'll have plenty of time to redeem myself in the eyes of the community, and follow everyone's advice, by that time.

For the love of all things holy, please stop bailing a leaky boat and just let this one drop.  You got off to a bad start here and it quickly got worse, not all entirely your fault, I may add.  You aren't going to change anyone's opinion, and, clearly, they aren't going to change yours.  Do your penance, eat the allotted crap sandwich, then put in your application and spin the wheel, just like everyone else. FWIW, a lot of the people in here served at a time when a DWI and a year of being squeaky clean was almost a prerequisite for promotion.
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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2018, 13:18:23 »
Just reviewing the forums because I had a complication while waiting for my date of employment. 

I had my license suspended for speeding ...suspension showed up in the mail 4 months after my ticket was paid for and forgotten about and thought it was behind me..because I am a new driver they were able to asses my ticket and decided to suspend my license for 4 months ( I have had no other infractions and because I do not have an employer they can't fill out the paperwork to reinstate my license for reasons of employment)....suspension began 1 week before I was to leave for boot camp...I spoke to the recruiter and he advised me that I had to wait for the suspension to be lifted to be employed by the army. 

I looked through the Careers online and the Career I had the job offer for Communications Researcher doesn't list needing a license, just wondering if I should look at other Career options, or if I am still on the Merit List.   Looking for help and advice on securing employment with the armed forces, I live in a small community and its been tough to find work because everyone knows for the past 8 months that I was leaving for the army. 

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2018, 13:20:21 »
Contact your recruiting centre.

There could be other factors involved with this, like if you were charged criminally.


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Re: Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2018, 13:28:27 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions. 

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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2018, 16:07:00 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions.
I'm kind of curious if it will have any effect since a drivers license is not required.


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Re: Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2018, 16:18:50 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions.

You have probably answered your own question, you need to talk to a recruiter.

Despite not requiring a driver's license for the job, I'm willing to bet the hold up here is an outstanding commitment to the legal system (suspended license).

Just so I'm tracking properly, you had your license suspended 1 week before BMQ and were therefore removed from training? Were you not already sworn in and on LWOP awaiting your course? There's some timeline things that don't add up here.

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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2018, 17:00:42 »
I was not sworn in, that was to happen a few days before I left for Boot Camp I was not on LWOP, there was only going to be one or two days that I would have been on LWOP. 

I know I have to serve the suspension,  just looking to see if I need to start from square one when the suspension is up and reapply all over for that Career when I have a full license reinstated..or if I would still be on the Merit List..not entirely sure what the Merit list is..just trying to figure it out from reading amongst the forums. 

thanks for answering my questions

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2018, 17:07:34 »
..not entirely sure what the Merit list is..

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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2018, 17:23:40 »
Curious. A driver’s license suspension issued by a provincial ministry as a result of infractions and demerit points/license class is NOT a court action. A court ordered suspension as a sentence is different. I would confirm if the suspension was issued by the ministry for remedial purposes. I suspect it was based on what you’re saying- I charged a guy for driving suspended just a week ago who lost his license by decision of the ministry due to accrued demerit points. It wasn’t a court ordered suspension, it was entirely ministry of transportation.

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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2018, 17:35:50 »
Thanks Brihard for that insight...so do you think that there is a distinction then between which Ministry has made the decision on my license suspension?  I will have to look over my paperwork again to see. 

Thanks these forums are very helpful trying to sort things out   


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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2018, 20:48:13 »
I had a closer look at the paperwork I was sent from MPI, Registrar of Motor Vehicles is the listed.  So this isn't a Court Action. 

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« Reply #75 on: January 23, 2018, 10:36:04 »
I'm wondering if the Recruiting Centre may have made a mistake.  A suspension is not a sentence and there is no "obligation" to the court. 
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« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2018, 16:18:16 »
Or, even if having a driver's license is not a requirement to enrol as COMM RSCH, it may be one of their tasks and having a license suspension would preclude putting him on drivers training.  Though it is not the trade specs (don't have access), this is included in the task statement for COMM RSCH medical standards.

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