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what to do to be FE
« on: May 18, 2011, 19:51:16 »
Hey, I'm a newb to the Airforce and am in Borden training as an AVN. Can anyone please tell me what I need to do in my career to become an FE. Very few people have info on this trade or so it seems.

Any info is greatly appreciated.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 22:15:58 »
First of all - complete training at Borden.  You are taking the right route - get qualified as an AVN and complete your first tour.  Apply for VOT to FE in the last year of your posting (which could be 7-9 years).  I know lots of guys who have taken this route.  Keep in mind that the bigger the aircraft the higher in rank you must be to fly on it.  Expect to start off on a helicopter or smaller twin engined aircraft.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 20:45:08 »
I spent my career as an AVS tech working on and flying in military aircraft. Great job great career.

But otis1111 I would love to be able to start on a hangar floor again and end up being a FE.  :nod:

Best of luck with your career.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 20:59:30 »
Zoomie,

Thanks for the info.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 07:19:29 »
I've heard some rumint that FE may open up as a VOT option for trades other than AVN, do you know if there's any truth to that, Zoomie?

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 12:05:39 »
I've heard some rumint that FE may open up as a VOT option for trades other than AVN, do you know if there's any truth to that, Zoomie?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 13:25:15 »
Hey, I'm a newb to the Airforce and am in Borden training as an AVN. Can anyone please tell me what I need to do in my career to become an FE. Very few people have info on this trade or so it seems.

Any info is greatly appreciated.

According to a senior FE I just asked who I work and live with here overseas, you are on the right track.  Time required to be an AVN tech prior to FE is getting less and less.  Most FE's here have at least 5 years as AVN tech before they applied to transfer to FE.  Also, there are some FE's here that are on their first tour.  He suggest AVN tech for 2 years then apply for transfer.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 13:57:23 »
Thanks for the info The Gues-l-. All of the info I can get on this subject is greatly appreciated.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 03:54:06 »
Sorry if I'm asking a stupid question.

What is the minimum rank of FEs?
Since you will have already been in CF for < 3years(Training) + <5 years( being an AVN tech).
Would you still be a Corporal by then?

Also, What does loadie means?


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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 09:09:23 »
Also, What does loadie means?

A loadie is the loadmaster on an aircraft.  Usually Traffic Techs.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 09:46:00 »
A loadie is the loadmaster on an aircraft.  Usually Traffic Techs.
With one exception, they are always Tfc Techs. The one exception being the Air Log Capt doing the Cabin Crew Leader position at 437 Sqn.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 09:50:18 »

Would you still be a Corporal by then?



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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 09:54:40 »
With one exception, they are always Tfc Techs.

I thought so, but wasn't sure if it had changed since I was a Tfc Tech.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 15:54:03 »
I see the future of the loadmaster trade separating itself from the traffic tech trade.  With the eventual phasing out of the FE trade throughout the CF, I envisage the LM position to be filled by more technically minded folks (ie those who currently populate the FE trade).  My FE was an excellent LM - the best of both worlds.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 16:07:35 »
First of all let me clarify something the FE trade is NOT being phased out. it is how ever under going some big changes. If you are still in Borden and have not recieved a posting message , push for a unit that currently has FEs (not fighters). There is a move a foot to lower the rank level forthe entire FE trade (Cpl- Sgt) after Sgt you get remusterd back into the Tech side of the house. The other thing is that if you train on an aircraft as an AVN tech you will be (can be) employed on on the same aircraft as an FE. I have one guy who was a Herc tech, who is now a Cpl FE on the Herc course as we speak. Things are changing in the trade, but at this point we don't know what the final out come will be. It is a very rewarding job, how ever there are large demands on both your personel and profesional life.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2011, 22:15:41 »
First of all let me clarify something the FE trade is NOT being phased out.
I sure hope not - who else will fetch me my water and cook the grill cheese sandwiches?   :warstory:
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 22:17:51 »
who else will fetch me my water and cook the grill cheese sandwiches?   :warstory:

You'll do that yourself if you know whats good for ya..............

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2011, 22:26:11 »
You'll do that yourself if you know whats good for ya..............

Sounds like you MAG guys haven't been keeping your FE in line.  I'm am pretty sure that it is in their PDR.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2011, 22:31:16 »
Sounds like you MAG guys haven't been keeping your FE in line.  I'm am pretty sure that it is in their PDR.

No, with the NCMs now outnumbering the officers on the plane, theres been a power shift and the FE don't have to put up with that crap anymore.


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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 16:08:45 »
Can an ACS Tech become a FE?
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2011, 21:32:50 »
Can an ACS Tech become a FE?


Short answer, no.


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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2011, 18:38:43 »
Ok, so i`m getting ready to finish my AVN course, and bound for 8AMS in October. But my question is, that 5 years before you can start the OT process over to FE, where does that 5 years start? Like from the start of my AVN contract last year (meaning i have 4 years left)? or does it start when i am not an apprentice anymore and fully qualified at 8AMS?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2011, 21:01:27 »
Starts once you're not apprenctice anymore. 5 years is the average for getting your level A. I believe that is why.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2011, 10:06:10 »
The five year figure is just a ball park number.  The time to level A will depend on what fleet you are on and where you're working.  Once you get to Trenton the folks there will have seen many people through the process, and will be able to give you a better frame of reference.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 21:54:27 »
Ok, so i`m getting ready to finish my AVN course, and bound for 8AMS in October. But my question is, that 5 years before you can start the OT process over to FE, where does that 5 years start? Like from the start of my AVN contract last year (meaning i have 4 years left)? or does it start when i am not an apprentice anymore and fully qualified at 8AMS?

Seeing you're ending up on Hercs, look at about 4 yrs before getting level A, meaning you can sweep floors unsupervised and the such. That puts you near the what, 5.5 year mark in the military? Apply then. Do NOT let your CoC bs you that you cannot do it. Follow up on everything you submit, and I mean everything. It is well known that applications vanish or sit on the bottom of a basket belonging to a bitter SAMS who hates FE's. So, once there, get to know some of the FE's on the base. And once it's time to make the leap, enlist their help.  You may find much "resistance" when you decide to remuster, that's why you ask for the FE's help. They know the ropes and can get things rolling if you meet a wall of crap from your CoC. Saying that, when you do make the leap, good chance there will be a AM Sup(maybe your crew chief or the SAMS)who was an FE (trade restructuring thing I'm sure you've heard about) and he/she would be the person to talk to then.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2011, 01:30:47 »
I've seen probably a dozen guys go the FE route and I've yet to see the chain of command 'BS' them to stump an application.  Most guys have found that they get more support once they decide to leave the trade than they ever had before expressing interest in a change.  I can't imagine any SAMS anywhere being the least bit personally concerned, or probably even aware of some Cpl tech looking to OT.  ETO likes to know what people are planning so they can set their plot accordingly, but aside from that.... nobody will care if you want to go flying. 

You'll be doing far more than sweeping floors once you have type training/POM authorizations. 

Once you've met the prerequisites, fire in an application and off you'll go. 
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2011, 09:04:29 »
otis111, I have been an FE for a little while now and I can tell you that although not EVERY FE has a "my remuster got buried" story, the vast majority do.  I have one personally but won't bore you with the details.

As far as what to do to become an FE, the biggest hurdle that you are going to have is getting your level A.  If you can get your lvl B or even C signatures than do so.  For any prospective FE out there, my advice would be to get to the unit that you would like to be an FE in.  Easier said than done I know but give it the old college try at least.  So apart from A level, just work hard as a tech, try not to get sucked in by the bitter guys out there and stay positive and try to engage the aircrew.  Ask some of the FEs in your unit if you can go on a couple ride alongs with them so that you can see if it really is for you.  See if you can go for a ride with your unit Standards FE, as he will be more experienced and will be used to instructing and explaining things in the air.

At the very least, this may make you a better tech and give you a bit more appreciation for what the aircrew looks at in flight.

Best of luck in your career and who knows, maybe we will fly together one day!

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2011, 19:26:16 »
I've seen probably a dozen guys go the FE route and I've yet to see the chain of command 'BS' them to stump an application.  Most guys have found that they get more support once they decide to leave the trade than they ever had before expressing interest in a change.  I can't imagine any SAMS anywhere being the least bit personally concerned, or probably even aware of some Cpl tech looking to OT.  ETO likes to know what people are planning so they can set their plot accordingly, but aside from that.... nobody will care if you want to go flying. 

You'll be doing far more than sweeping floors once you have type training/POM authorizations. 

Once you've met the prerequisites, fire in an application and off you'll go.


You obviously missed the pun in the sweeping floors comment. I have seen way more guys and gals go FE and yes, many have had the road to FE filled with major road blocks. myself included. Has 12 Wing been your only base as a tech? I ask because there are no FE's there and once in that Sea King vortex, hard to get out...I was in 443, but managed to leave after 3 years. The big hassle, in most cases is from Sqn's that have aircraft that employ FE's. I know of guys who went FE out of 12 Wing and twin tailed plastic fag jet world, no issues...know guys who went FE out of 435, 8AMS & 408 to name a couple and many have had the pleasure of running into missing paperwork, misplaced paperwork, a SAMS who used to say to us FE's he thought we were a waste and just being outright lied to(more in the younger guys cases who are still green, in a way). The system works for the most part but there are still many things that need to be fixed. That's why when guys ask about becoming an FE, I tell them once they are ready, approach the FE shop. We have been there, done that and hopefully the process goes smoothly for the tech, but it always doesn't. Then we can rock the boat on behalf of the tech if need be.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2011, 21:13:04 »
Very well said Trunk Monkey.

If any of you prospective FE's out there want some more specific advise, feel free to PM me with details and I can try to help or send you a name of someone who can help.  Cheers,

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2011, 21:24:47 »
I don't see how joking about sweeping floors is a pun?

I have been posted to Greenwood, Comox and Shearwater as an AVN Tech, it's in my profile I think. 

I have seen just one person unsuccessful with an application to FE and it was due to medical issues.  I can only speak from experience just as anyone else.... but I have yet to see a single case of a tech facing undue difficulty when applying for any OT, regardless of trade.  I have known several dozen people who have successfully transferred to NCM and Officer trades over my 12 years in the air force. 

If someone is interested in a trade transfer/commission, simply focus on meeting necessary prerequisites and make sure your paperwork is squared away and submitted well in advance of deadlines.  People may tell you they disagree with what you're asking for or give you flack about it.... who cares?  It's your career.  I won't comment any further on this thread, we're just comparing observations at this point.  Hopefully I've offered some info that was useful to the OP.


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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2011, 22:19:27 »
Like it was mentioned earlier, not EVERY FE has a story like that but several if not most do.  As an FE, for any prospective FEs out there, I would strongly recommend that you seek out some FEs at your unit and talk to them. 

If nothing else, you are making connections in a trade that is quite small and people remember names.  At best, you are making a contact that can help smooth your transition to the new trade and can offer you valuable advice.

Or you can throw in your paperwork, trust that your AVN superiors and AERE officers do their jobs properly and roll the dice and hope for the best.  Yoru call.  Good luck to all with their potential remusters!

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2011, 22:27:11 »
Ok, so i`m getting ready to finish my AVN course, and bound for 8AMS in October. But my question is, that 5 years before you can start the OT process over to FE, where does that 5 years start? Like from the start of my AVN contract last year (meaning i have 4 years left)? or does it start when i am not an apprentice anymore and fully qualified at 8AMS?

Which part of 8AMS are you posted to?  Does your message say 8AMS exactly, or something else?  I only ask because 8AMS isn't doing first line maintenance any more.  People at 8AMS are now doing third line stuff - C-checks is what they're calling it, but they are starting that in a year.  Right now the guys are mostly doing admin and cleaning.  8AMS used to do all of the first line stuff, but now we've all split off into 424 (old hercs) and 436 (new hercs).  All that comes down to, is that if you're going to be at 8AMS, see if you can get them to send you to other shops/departments to get your quals -- without moving around, it'll be a little more difficult to get your A-levels.  If you need any Trenton info, PM me...  I'm at 424, my husband's at 436, and some guys who were on my crew until recently are on the C-check crew, so I can try to get your questions answered.  Cheers!   :) 
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2011, 12:33:30 »
All my posting messages says is 8AMS, i would ideally like to get in with 424 if its possible, but if not oh well

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2011, 21:17:41 »
424 not a CH 146 SAR Griffon sqn anymore???

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2011, 22:56:27 »
424 not a CH 146 SAR Griffon sqn anymore???

We do the H-model herc maintenance at 424 as well now.  The sqn has pretty much doubled in size just from all the techs. 
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2011, 02:44:16 »
People at 8AMS are now doing third line stuff - C-checks is what they're calling it,

C-Checks is not "third line".


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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2011, 11:41:08 »
C-Checks is not "third line".

Sorry if I'm mistaken -- just passing along the info I was given.  They haven't started doing anything yet, the actual job part of this posting is still about 9 or 10 months away, so I don't know if anyone's sure about what'll be happening there yet.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2011, 18:31:17 »
AFAIK no CF personnel conduct 3rd line maintenance.  I'll wait for a SAMEO/AERE to jump in a correct me if I am wrong.  Most 3rd line stuff is contracted out and done off-base.
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2011, 19:07:32 »
Some AMS do 1st and 2nd line maintenance.
Some AMS only do 2nd line maintenance.

"3rd line" is depot-level overhaul type work and is done by the manufacturer or other suitable contractor. In the case of the CC-130s, the 3rd line contractor is Cascade Aerospace.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2011, 17:12:42 »
I've never known us to conduct 3rd line work on airframes, but there are some instances where a CF shop will be the third line facility for certain components.  Who knows, maybe it's something they're looking at in Trenton..... that would be a nightmare to set up.
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2011, 18:53:43 »
Okay, I've had the Trenton thing further clarified a bit.  The C-checks that the guys'll be doing are the periodics that are currently done by Cascade.  Cascade will still be working on the legacy Hercs, but they'll now have military personnel doing the periodics on them.  The C-check crew will also be doing heavy snags (2nd line), which is where I got confused between 2nd and 3rd line.  Basically, the heavy snags crew that was disbanded about 5 years ago is coming back, and they'll be doing periodics as well.  I've been told that some of the Cascade personnel will be doing J-model periodics, which is why they need some more guys for the H-models.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2011, 16:54:58 »
HH,

Thanks for the info. It's greatly appreciated. One thing I've noticed is that there is a lot people who have no idea what they're talking about. I'm trying to shoot for a THS to make things easier but we'll see how it goes.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2011, 17:25:55 »
HH,

Thanks for the info. It's greatly appreciated. One thing I've noticed is that there is a lot people who have no idea what they're talking about. I'm trying to shoot for a THS to make things easier but we'll see how it goes.

Ask for Petawawa, and you'll have a couple of choices in a few years. 

If a candidate meets the OT requirements to FE, the CO's endorsement can go a long way to helping the member come back to the unit if that's their wish.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2011, 10:19:07 »
No problem Otis.  Feel free to PM me if you have any more direct questions or would like a contact at your squadron I can probably hook you up.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2011, 13:40:46 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-kPa6yqx7w

In this video, it mentions FE can have a chance to operate machine guns in the air.
Does that mean FE would have combat missions?

Do FE perform Combat rescue missions as well?
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2011, 13:51:43 »
Does that mean FE would have combat missions?

Where the aircraft goes, the FE does too.......

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2011, 16:58:24 »
Do FE perform Combat rescue missions as well?
The CF does not have a CSAR capability,
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2011, 20:07:12 »
Does the AVS tech and AVN tech have identical career path toward being a FE?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2011, 20:14:05 »
Does the AVS tech and AVN tech have identical career path toward being a FE?
It would be a misnomer to state that any trade's career path ends up as another trade. 

If you are asking whether or not being an AVS vice an AVN provides the same opportunities for possible transfer to the FE trade, you would be correct. I believe that for quite some time now the FE trade is accepting transfers from the AVS MOSID - however - I truly believe that having an AVN background would provide that much better of a skillset for the FE trade (personal opinion only).
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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2011, 08:04:15 »
Does the AVS tech and AVN tech have identical career path toward being a FE?

For an AVS tech (who of course are all very smart people, see profile  :)) I think a more natural move, with greater odds of success, would be to AES Op.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2011, 10:46:03 »
For an AVS tech (who of course are all very smart people, see profile  :)) I think a more natural move, with greater odds of success, would be to AES Op.

You said AVS, smart and AESOP in the same sentence....hahahahaha...sorry, too easy ;D
 

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2011, 06:14:08 »
Are there any trades that contain both duty of loadmaster and FE?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2011, 07:00:19 »
No.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2011, 11:34:03 »
Are there any trades that contain both duty of loadmaster and FE?

FE's are qualified and authorized to do most of the things that a LM can do but no hybrid trade as has been discussed before.  The problem with a hybrid trade is that only FE's have maintenance experience, whereas AESOps and LMs do not necessarily have that background.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2011, 11:40:38 »
whereas AESOps and LMs do not necessarily have that background.

Way back when, on arriving to Sqn, we were trained to do A/B/AB checks on a significant portion of the aircraf as part of our formal category upgrade.

I also loaded luggage & cargo and fixed systems while in flight so I guess you could say I incorporated stuff from LM and FE  ;)

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2011, 05:29:19 »
I did a little research in becoming a FE, and many people believe this is a dying trade.
Is this really that worst time being a FE? Would CF eliminate the trade?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2011, 10:57:22 »
This, simply put, is not the case.  The Chief of Air Staff put out a memo in 2008 stating this and the case for FE's has only grown since.  The rumour was that with the retiring legacy fleets, the newer models would not need FEs so the trade would become defunct.  The C 17 and new C 130s do not have FE's on them and that was the beginning of the rumour.  The C 130J is now very close to bringing back the FE position as well, by the way.

Military choppers will always have Flt Engs aboard as well.  Ask any pilot the value of an FE and you will understand how necessary his FE is.  I can assure you that the FE position is not going anywhere!

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2011, 11:35:10 »
I can assure you that the FE position is not going anywhere!

The trade certainly is changing though, with AM Sup, no ?

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2011, 13:48:19 »
Sr NCOs are yes.  But our flying positions are still the same.  Essentially once you hit WO, you become more of an administrator and tied more into the AVN world to bridge that gap.  That also comes with us downranking several positions.  ie. MCpls have become D/Lds of Flts and Sgts as Flt Leads.

There is some questions as to how well AMSup will be worked in to our rank structure with our critical shortages too.  We simply need those WOs to fly as FICs, Stds, etc.  I believe 2015 it is supposed to be implemented...  The whole AMSup seems pretty fluid and flexible

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2011, 17:02:23 »
Thanks HeavyHooker, this is very assuring!

What is AMSup??

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2011, 02:25:04 »
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AVN WO's and FE WO's will all become AMSups.  Not sure about AVS/ACS though.  The intent is to bring all maintenance and maintenance related trades on to the same page I believe.

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2011, 11:48:10 »
Air Maintenance Supervisor

AVN WO's and FE WO's will all become AMSups.  Not sure about AVS/ACS though.  The intent is to bring all maintenance and maintenance related trades on to the same page I believe.

The only smart folks staying out of that mess are NDT, as far as I recall. Makes sense for them to do so anyways. Rest of the maintenance trades(and the best trade in the RCAF) are in.

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2011, 13:29:05 »
(and the best trade in the RCAF)

Incorrect. AES Op is not part of the AM Sup thingy......... ;D

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Re: what to do to be FE
« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2011, 06:12:37 »
AVS/ACS WO's are in as well.  (Ah, sorry I didn't read Trunk Monkey's post... it's early)
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