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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2014, 17:31:29 »
After reading the DAOD 5019-2 I and the QR&O 15.01, it does say that I am able to provide a written representation to the AA. This I assume would be in the form of a memo? I am not too sure as being just finding this all out today. So would anyone have any advice on what I should do?

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #101 on: January 30, 2014, 10:23:34 »
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #102 on: January 31, 2014, 22:43:57 »
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2014, 00:19:14 »
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2014, 00:47:09 »
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An aa is just an officer assigned, at your request, to assist with admin within your situation.  Chooser  the most to experienced  officer, or most trusted., available.  But they are bound by the ruled.  They are not lawyers etc.  the assist.
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2014, 01:05:55 »
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #106 on: September 20, 2014, 12:55:56 »
I know that this subject has been beaten to death, and I think I have read all the information that has been shared.  What I haven't seen, is any success stories... I know that, unless there was a clerical error on the release category; a 5F indicates you were a dumbass in some form or other. 
Anyone have any success stories of pers who were released under 5F and were allowed to re-enlist?

Thanks

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2014, 16:27:56 »
I know that this subject has been beaten to death, and I think I have read all the information that has been shared.  What I haven't seen, is any success stories... I know that, unless there was a clerical error on the release category; a 5F indicates you were a dumbass in some form or other. 
Anyone have any success stories of pers who were released under 5F and were allowed to re-enlist?

Thanks

There will be very few. Typically a 5f release means that that is an individual the CF is better off without. That's the simple truth of it. There's little difficulty in recruiting, and anyone hwo has already proven unsuitable/unreliable once is a pretty big risk to recruit again.
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2016, 11:40:08 »
Hello, I got 7 years in the Navy,  It's not a done deal yet but there is big chance I'm getting release 5f for alcohol related incident, It might sounds silly but I would like to know am I entitled for a HHT and such (Im in Halifax and would go back to MTL), Brookfield are not allow to tell me and release center are not sure as well...., also how bad is a 5f once it comes to find a job civil side. Thanks for feedbacks.

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #109 on: May 21, 2016, 11:57:20 »
Merged with four pages on 5f Releases.
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2016, 12:26:42 »
After reading the DAOD 5019-2 I and the QR&O 15.01, it does say that I am able to provide a written representation to the AA. This I assume would be in the form of a memo? I am not too sure as being just finding this all out today. So would anyone have any advice on what I should do?
Yes memo with attach references but you don't really have to worry about the form it's the assisting officer job you got to worry about its contain only ;)
You could start asking around for references memo style or so that could help you that's pretty much it.... for now

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2016, 12:55:28 »
Yes memo with attach references but you don't really have to worry about the form it's the assisting officer job you got to worry about its contain only ;)
You could start asking around for references memo style or so that could help you that's pretty much it.... for now

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2017, 20:57:57 »
Hi everyone,

I was released in 2012 under a 5f for substance abuse, I was going through a tough time in my life at that point since then I have been to rehab and have been sober from all substances including alcohol for more then a year. This December I decided to try and reenlist and application was selected for further processing. I was just curious if anyone has seen anyone ever get back in under a 5f release and if them selecting my application for further processing is a good sign. Thank you everyone and it would mean a lot for everyone to not judge me on my past I was young and immature and I feel like I have moved on from that point of my life.


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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2017, 21:24:59 »
I was always under the impression that it was impossible to re-enrol after a 5F release, so the fact that you were selected for further processing is more than I would've expected. I'd be interested in hearing how your application goes.

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2017, 21:34:26 »
I was released in 2012 under a 5f

For reference, perhaps,

Reenlisting after being released on a 5f

will be merged with,

5F Release questions/answers (merged)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=102903.75
4 pages.

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.

« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 21:59:55 by mariomike »

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2017, 22:05:19 »
First Congrats on a year sober.

I don't know how hard it will get to be back, but I would say you would have to jump through a few extra hoops. And depending on what charges you had before you may have a very short leash if you got back.

I hope you do, because I think a recovering addict is a very good resource for the forces. There are a lot of people with issues that need peers to look up to. A year sober is a huge mountain when you are looking up at it.

Best of luck.

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2017, 22:13:24 »
First Congrats on a year sober.

I don't know how hard it will get to be back, but I would say you would have to jump through a few extra hoops. And depending on what charges you had before you may have a very short leash if you got back.

I hope you do, because I think a recovering addict is a very good resource for the forces. There are a lot of people with issues that need peers to look up to. A year sober is a huge mountain when you are looking up at it.

Best of luck.

Thank you for your kind words, I've never been in trouble with the law, everything on my credit check is good to go. I have a extremely good paying job now I just miss the military and would actually probably take quite a pay cut going back in but I miss it everyday and I wish I had this all figured out when I was in. I figured it would be worth a shot trying to get back in. Thanks again


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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2017, 01:25:44 »
I know a fella that was kicked out twice and still got back in. It took the third punt to finally keep him out!

Hope that helps!

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2017, 07:56:00 »
For reference, perhaps,

Reenlisting after being released on a 5f

will be merged with,

5F Release questions/answers (merged)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=102903.75
4 pages.

See also,

Getting Back In/Re-enrolling Mega Thread 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=294.475
37 pages.

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2017, 10:54:32 by mariomike »

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #119 on: August 17, 2017, 09:32:21 »
Sorry for reviving a very old thread. I've had some people in similar situations PM me over the past few years hoping to find out if I had any trouble with the visa process because of this problem. I figured I'd just write an update here to serve anyone else in the future.

Long story short, it wasn't an issue. Everything went fine. My visa was approved. I'm living happily with my now-wife south of the border as a permanent resident. As a few folks here helpfully pointed out, a 5 release isn't considered "dishonorable". As such, I doubt USCIS cared about the specifics.

Thanks again to those who responded to the original post.

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2018, 12:08:46 »
First off thanks to MarioMike for helping me find this thread!


I have a couple questions (and hoping for some clarity_.

If a member is being released 5F can they ask to be released under a less severe form of release in their representation memo?  Sort of "I don't want to be released but if I am can it be in something other than 5F?"   
Is that something the people at the other end of the representation memo can change or would the members release be set in stone?

If a member does get released under a 5F what is the process for them to have the 5F changed to something else? I've seen someone in this merged thread say they went to their local MP to have it changed. Is there a lower level way a mbr can go about doing that?  I guess I'm looking for a step one.
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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #121 on: February 06, 2018, 12:38:21 »
First off thanks to MarioMike for helping me find this thread!


I have a couple questions (and hoping for some clarity_.

If a member is being released 5F can they ask to be released under a less severe form of release in their representation memo?  Sort of "I don't want to be released but if I am can it be in something other than 5F?"   
Is that something the people at the other end of the representation memo can change or would the members release be set in stone?

If a member does get released under a 5F what is the process for them to have the 5F changed to something else? I've seen someone in this merged thread say they went to their local MP to have it changed. Is there a lower level way a mbr can go about doing that?  I guess I'm looking for a step one.

It would be done through the Grievance process.

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2018, 11:36:40 »
Yes I've seen 5Fs reversed. One young soldier , IMO, was given a 5f release when another troop blatantly bladed him.  .

who the hell would do that? was it by like  accident or was it on purpose?

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Re: Release Item 5F - Questions Release or Reenrollment (Merged)
« Reply #123 on: October 16, 2018, 11:39:12 »
another troop blatantly bladed him.

who the hell would do that? was it by like  accident or was it on purpose?

Can't speak for Hamish, but "bladed" may not have been meant in the literal sense.
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