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Some pilot related questions...
« on: January 20, 2012, 14:29:18 »
When I reapplied this year, I saw on the Forces website that they are accepting pilot applications, which I jumped at, since it was my boyhood dream to be one.

Some questions after reading Max's sticky'ed thread:

From what I gather on the website, they stream pilots into the different areas (fighter, transport, maritime, helicopter), correct?  Do you only get trained in the one area, or could you wind up flying in a combination?  How do they determine what you will fly if accepted?

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 14:45:29 »

  Do you only get trained in the one area, or could you wind up flying in a combination? 

You might, in the span of a career, fly in more than one "stream" but not at the same time (with the possible exception of the testing world).

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 14:56:02 »
You might, in the span of a career, fly in more than one "stream" but not at the same time (with the possible exception of the testing world).

This.

Furthermore, while not "rare", it happens less often than a pilot staying in a particular stream for their career.  As well, if it happens, it is usually a permament transition from one stream to another...not a "hopping" back and forth.


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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 15:02:30 »
And there goes my vision of the debonair pilot landing a C-17, hopping into a armed Griffon on his/her way to blast the bad guys so he could get access to his fighter jet that he loaded missles single handedly while fighting off the intruders......awh...... :crybaby:
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 18:59:48 »
they stream pilots into the different areas (fighter, transport, maritime, helicopter), correct?

The streams are Fast-Jet, Multi-Engine, and Rotary.

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 11:50:01 »
is there a slow jet?

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 12:50:12 »
is there a slow jet?
C-17, Airbus, Challenger, E-3B
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 13:38:41 »
C-17, Airbus, Challenger, E-3B

And they are all in the "multi-engine" stream. So, what is there in this "fast-jet" stream other than fighters.....i believe that is what SF2 was getting at

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 20:47:14 »
So, what is there in this "fast-jet" stream other than fighters.....
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 20:51:36 »
CT-156,

Ok..i know you went from props to jets and thus completely confused about whats what.......... ;D

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 20:53:09 »
Ok..i know you went from props to jets and thus completely confused about whats what.......... ;D

Cue the "centerline-thrust" arguments...  ;)

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 21:12:56 »
Turbo-props, turbo-fan, turbo-jet - it is all relative.  It's more to do with who is the respective Career Manager - we have three.
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 21:18:27 »
Cue the "centerline-thrust" arguments...  ;)

Yeah, but picking on Zoomie is much more fun. Besides, if all it takes is centerline thrust to make it "fast jet".....that's just sad. I'll have tell my buddy who flies PC-12....    :)

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 00:05:21 »
, if all it takes is centerline thrust to make it "fast jet".....
FWIW we don't really call it "fast jet".

Also - thrust is produced by turbo-fan and turbo-jet motors. Power is produced by turbo-prop and other propellor driven aircraft. Hence the term Power Levers vs Thrust Levers (instead of just plain old throttles)
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 06:07:51 »
my head hurts - going back to stand on my beach ball.

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 08:40:31 »
Thanks for the replies, guys... and the laughs from GAP... shattered my illusions too!  ;)

Appreciate your time!  :salute:
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 19:16:10 »
The Hornet is not centerline trust, FWIW.

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 23:07:15 »
The Hornet is not centerline trust, FWIW.

Unless it's a classified number of course, what yaw rate will you get from one engine in burner and the other at idle?

Actually, let me restate my question: "What is the manufacturer's published VMC for the F/A-18/CF188 regarding an inoperative engine?"


Perhaps being a quick thinker as one assumes all fighter pilots to be, you might have an inkling as to where this is headed....  :nod:


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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 07:44:06 »
No Vmc per say, but AoA. 10 to 12 degrees depending on flaps config with full A/B.  It equates to about 8-10 knots slower than without using A/B. (15 to 17 degrees without AB).  With a heavy jet, it's quite significant.

I invite you to Bagotville for a demonstration anytime you want.

Yaw rate with Max/Idle split, not sure.  Less than 40 degrees per second is really all I can really tell you. It takes quite a bit of rudder to counter.  I'd have to take a look at the data from our tapes...   
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 08:10:44 »
my head hurts - going back to stand on my beach ball.

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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 21:46:29 »
No Vmc per say, but AoA. 10 to 12 degrees depending on flaps config with full A/B.  It equates to about 8-10 knots slower than without using A/B. (15 to 17 degrees without AB).  With a heavy jet, it's quite significant.

I invite you to Bagotville for a demonstration anytime you want.

Yaw rate with Max/Idle split, not sure.  Less than 40 degrees per second is really all I can really tell you. It takes quite a bit of rudder to counter.  I'd have to take a look at the data from our tapes...

Had the demo already from Bob "Bobby" Wade, when I was doing OJT with 409, but thanks for the offer - perhaps when you pick up another 5,000 or 6,000 hours you might be able to show me something more than Bob could...ask around the squadron if you don't recognize Bob's name.  Also feel free to ask who at the squadron has done a High-Alpha flat 360...the list may be rather short, I suspect. 

Anyway, re: VMC - it was a leading question.  Perhaps you might personally not consider the Hornet to be centerline thrust, but if you apply for a Military Competency Equivalency to the FAA, it considers the F/A-18 to be centreline thrust, and your pilot certificate will be provided a multiengine rating, but it will be restricted as "Limited to Center Thrust."  (ref: FAA FSIM, 8900.1 Vol. 5, Ch. 1, Section 4, Art. 5-88.E.1)

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E. Limited-to-Center Thrust Limitation.

1)   The military aircraft listed below have no VMC established by the manufacturer. Other military multiengine airplanes may exist now or in the future for which there is no published data on VMC. Military pilots who can only show qualification in those kinds of multiengine airplanes may only be issued a multiengine airplane rating with the limitation “Limited-to-Center Thrust.”

a)   T-2B/C Rockwell Buckeye.
b)   T-37 Cessna 318.
c)   T-38 Northrop Talon.
d)   F-4 McDonnell-Douglas Phantom.
e)   F-111 General Dynamics F-111.
f)   F-18 Northrop-McDonnell-Douglas Hornet.
g)   A6-E Grumman American Intruder.
h)   A-10 Fairchild Republic Thunderbolt II.
i)   F-15 McDonnell-Douglas Eagle.
j)   F-14 Grumman F-14.
k)   F-117 Lockheed Stealth.
l)   F-22Boeing/McDonnellF-22.


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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 22:21:09 »
Luckily I am Canadian and TC recognizes the Hornet to be a true group 1 Multi-Engine aircraft. 

My offer was a real offer, not something to pretend I know better than anyone, if I came across that way.

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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 22:26:18 »
Luckily I am Canadian and TC recognizes the Hornet to be a true group 1 Multi-Engine aircraft. 

My offer was a real offer, not something to pretend I know better than anyone, if I came across that way.

G2G, take him up on it! Then take him out in a helo and teach him what foot pedals are really for!   :D
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Re: Some pilot related questions...
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 17:06:50 »
I am purposely posting what I am thinking and then deleting my comments.

If you don't account for Vmca or Vmcg, you really don't get the whole picture - IMO.
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what is the different between Selection, Offer and Enrolment.
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 18:29:46 »
I am in the process of getting Pilot job, passed apt test, med, sec clearance, but I have some kind of general question -

 - what is the different between Selection, Offer and Enrolment.
step 07: Selection, offer and Enrolment. (Application procedure)

As I said, I had gone far with my recruitment for Pilot position, but why I asked the question above is because of the way the topic was explained in the CF application guide and what I have experienced so far. If anybody remember the application form part M : conditional offer of Enrolment. I had accepted this and signed, please guys by accepting the conditional offer and signed, what did this implies.

step 07:part of it read  ... Regular Force Applicants: If you are selected. you will receive a job offer that will allow you to enroll in the CF. Even if you have been found suitable for enrolment, you may have a waiting period before you are hired... So if that is the case, does it mean I should expect job offer?

Note, I understand as a pilot candidate, I need to attend ASC, but my recruiter advised that I chose 2nd choice and that incase I did not pass ASC. He said I am very ok with the 2nd choice, I think he meant to say no ASC require and I have meet all the officer position requirement for CF.


Your contribution will be appreciated a lot. I will equally appreciate if the answer are both general and address my situation as I explain above. Thanks guys