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Ok, so I was trying to look this up via internet and found barely any info on it to clear my mind... So I thought I should ask here... Anyway, anyone know what this is? Reason I ask because I got this message today saying I got to book a Trait Self Descriptive questionnaire and well I thought I was done the ''processing'' phase since I'm currently merit listed... Anyway if anyone knows what this is for post post post.
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 00:12:59 »
Sounds like it's just an extra form to see how you describe yourself and such. What position are you trying to get into? It might provide insight into why they asked you to do it.

I'm currently applying to Army MP Reserves and I was asked to fill out a like, written interview sheet that was a couple pages long that isn't mentioned anywhere from what I can tell. If I were to take a blind guess I'd guess it's basically the same thing as what you have.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 00:15:43 »
It's a personality test.
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 00:20:50 »
And you need to write this even if you have already been merit listed? I haven't heard anything from my CFRC...wonder if I should be concerned?

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 00:21:52 »
It's a personality test.
Well yeah I can pretty much tell it is a personality questionnaire, question is why? Never heard or seen this before and as mentioned, I am done the ''processing'' currently merit listed.
Sounds like it's just an extra form to see how you describe yourself and such. What position are you trying to get into? It might provide insight into why they asked you to do it.

I'm currently applying to Army MP Reserves and I was asked to fill out a like, written interview sheet that was a couple pages long that isn't mentioned anywhere from what I can tell. If I were to take a blind guess I'd guess it's basically the same thing as what you have.
When I looked it up via Internet, I did see it being done for people applying to the MP. Btw, I applied for Infantry and Artillery.
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 00:24:24 »
And you need to write this even if you have already been merit listed? I haven't heard anything from my CFRC...wonder if I should be concerned?
Yeah, I see these kinda things when you apply online for a job and such so I understand what it is, but like you're saying, after being merit listed I am wondering why... You'd think this would come up during the interview?
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 00:27:17 »
Doesn't matter. If they want you to write it, then just write it. From what I understand, they are adding it to the application process to shorten interviews. Someone, correct me if i'm wrong.
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2013, 00:31:36 »
Its 60 questions asking you to describe yourself. Don't stress on it, took me like 15 minutes.
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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2013, 01:34:16 »
Wrote the Trait Self Descriptive questionnaire after my CFAT and I was told by the people administrating the test that the answers you give in the questionnaire hold no weight concerning an applicant's competitiveness.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2013, 06:17:06 »
Wrote the Trait Self Descriptive questionnaire after my CFAT and I was told by the people administrating the test that the answers you give in the questionnaire hold no weight concerning an applicant's competitiveness.

Because at that time it was still in the trial stages.  The official roll out of it was having some fits, but it would appear that it has gone live based on the OP's post.  If that is the case (I am no longer in recruiting so I don't know) then it would be part of your overall "package", and used to figure out what you are best suited for.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2013, 12:33:11 »
Because at that time it was still in the trial stages.  The official roll out of it was having some fits, but it would appear that it has gone live based on the OP's post.  If that is the case (I am no longer in recruiting so I don't know) then it would be part of your overall "package", and used to figure out what you are best suited for.
I just wrote my CFAT on Tuesday so I am guessing what I was told about the questionnaire is still up to date.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2013, 13:44:20 »
I will write the TSD test next Tuesday morning, and after talking with my recruiter, from what I understood, they will use your TSD results to ask you questions during the interview.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 14:51:29 »
I will write the TSD test next Tuesday morning, and after talking with my recruiter, from what I understood, they will use your TSD results to ask you questions during the interview.

I wrote my TSD after my interview.
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Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 14:06:50 »
I am currently going through the recruiting process for ROTP.  The trades I have chosen are Infantry, Armored and Artillery.  I recently got a phone call from my recruiting center telling me that I needed to come in and fill out somthing called a "Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory."  I did google it however nothing really came up about it and from what I hear its new for applicants starting this year.  I was just wondering if anyone had any information about what it entails other than "its a personality test."


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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2013, 14:11:45 »
Thanks a bunch!

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2013, 21:12:47 »
The basic gist of it is to match your personality type with a suitable occupation, inconjuction with your CFAT score and interview.  Basically it's another tool for the CF to make sure (or try to make sure)  that the trade you want is a trade you are suitable for.  Example, "I am really good at science and math and stuff, so I think I want to be Med Tech, but I don't like the site of blood, or sick people, or needles, is this still a good option for me?"

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2013, 23:10:21 »
One of our AVS Cpls has an OT in for Flight Engineer, and he was just asked to do one.  First I'd ever seen of it.
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2013, 20:41:59 »
I've been merit listed since Dec 13, and im getti.g artillery when i get my call. still waiting for my call. But i called when I had heard about it and and my file manager assured me that I wont have to do the personality test because it was a part of the application process ( CFAT, interview, etc. ) and im merit listed. so maybe you got merit listed in january and it's just a new year update?. not sure. but if i were you i'd do it. because everything you do. every test affects your position on the list.

anyway, wish you the best and hopefully we'll both get our call very soon.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2013, 22:07:22 »
People who did CF TSD PI  will have short interview because Test results make influence to selection.
I am not sure exactly cause I am doing this test next week and waiting for interview, but I heard interview now has 4 questions.If I am wrong, please correct me.

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Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 12:04:08 »
Because at that time it was still in the trial stages.  The official roll out of it was having some fits, but it would appear that it has gone live based on the OP's post.  If that is the case (I am no longer in recruiting so I don't know) then it would be part of your overall "package", and used to figure out what you are best suited for.

TSD have been on trial for 2 years. Applicants were told it would not have any impact on the recruiting process. As of 1st Jan 2013, TSD results can be used in scoring applicants.

The basic gist of it is to match your personality type with a suitable occupation, inconjuction with your CFAT score and interview.  Basically it's another tool for the CF to make sure (or try to make sure)  that the trade you want is a trade you are suitable for.  Example, "I am really good at science and math and stuff, so I think I want to be Med Tech, but I don't like the site of blood, or sick people, or needles, is this still a good option for me?"

Only CFAT score indicate occupation suitability. TSD indicate suitability for the CF overall.
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Re: Re: Trait Self Descriptive ??
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 12:44:31 »
TSD have been on trial for 2 years. Applicants were told it would not have any impact on the recruiting process. As of 1st Jan 2013, TSD results can be used in scoring applicants.

Only CFAT score indicate occupation suitability. TSD indicate suitability for the CF overall.
Exactly.I did TSD on 2011 when I applied first time, but I have to do it again, becsuse first was not counted . One more question.Does CFRC say if you are good to go? Or any follow up ?

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2013, 13:23:13 »
The TSD is not a pass or fail test. It is included in the total score though.

Don't worry about the TSD, you are as you are and you cannot really trick the test. And no, there won't be any follow up on it.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2013, 00:58:00 »
It's simply a short questionnaire/personality test that hopeful new recruits are given during the hiring process now. 

It's one of the components required of the new recruiting process that has been implemented.  As I understand it, everyone from this point forward who wishes to join the CF will have to answer it as part of their package. I also believe (but please correct me if I'm wrong) anyone who was merit-listed last year, but who didn't receive a job offer will have to fill it out as part of updating their file in order to move everything forward under the new recruiting initiative in order to remain merit-listed. (I had to update my medical and will re-interview as well.)

As some other users wrote, it's nothing to stress over--nothing to be concerned about. I completed it and it was very quick.  It just helps recruiters assess one's overall suitability for the CF.  (Similar tests are used in a wide variety of employment positions these days, i.e. public service jobs, but not only jobs falling into that category.)
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2013, 13:40:08 »
I did it today in 20 minutes.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2013, 15:13:09 »
I just got booked to go for one of these in a couple weeks too. I asked the guy about it's bearing on my merit list position since it's only 1 week before they are supposedly having a selection and he said it's a new thing this year and it won't have any bearing on me since I'm already on the list.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2013, 15:44:18 »
I just got booked to go for one of these in a couple weeks too. I asked the guy about it's bearing on my merit list position since it's only 1 week before they are supposedly having a selection and he said it's a new thing this year and it won't have any bearing on me since I'm already on the list.

Well that's good news man. Interestingly, I was booked to do it as well, after returning from ASC unsuccessful. Although I guess it's because I requested for my file to remain open to give myself the opportunity to come back in a year. Might as well do the TSD now, to get it out of the way.

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 09:18:47 »
I was told yesterday that my appointment has been cancelled and I don't have to do it. Also been told a selection is coming up and to keep checking my phone and messages, sounds really good to me.  :nod:
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2013, 10:34:42 »
I was told yesterday that my appointment has been cancelled and I don't have to do it. Also been told a selection is coming up and to keep checking my phone and messages, sounds really good to me.  :nod:

haha maybe this will happen to me and I won't have to take a vacation day.

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2013, 21:34:30 »
haha maybe this will happen to me and I won't have to take a vacation day.

Actually now I know why it's been cancelled. Just got an offer today for Infantry. Very happy good luck to everyone else. :)
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2013, 21:39:04 »
Actually now I know why it's been cancelled. Just got an offer today for Infantry. Very happy good luck to everyone else. :)

Congratulations, best of luck!  :cdn:
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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2014, 16:52:30 »
4 years ago, I applied for the reserves as part of co-op. I did the aptitude test, got a high grade, was accepted. I backed out because I was just a kid and I though that the army life wasn't for me.

I reapplied last month as a Regular. They notice that I already took the test way back then, and said that there is a new portion of the test known as "TSD" which I had not done back then and can only be done on the first Wednesday of any month.

I just want to know what TSD stands for and what is it about. Since it is apart of the aptitude test, specifics obviously can't be discussed. I searched everywhere and couldn't find anything close to what I was looking for.

I was told it would take 30 minutes. Maybe that's an overstretch of time, but regardless, I want to know what it is.

The application process is moving along faster than I expected. So that's a good thing.
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 17:00:37 »
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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 17:04:11 »
Two seconds on Google (using "site:army.ca TSD" as the search term) found this thread.
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2014, 16:56:26 »
Two seconds on Google (using "site:army.ca TSD" as the search term) found this thread.

See attachment.
Searched, didn't work, gave up in anger, tossed phone at wall, woke up dog.

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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2014, 17:15:03 »
See attachment.
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But thank you for helping me out.

What kind of dog you got, sleeping at a time like this?
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2014, 17:21:28 »
See attachment.
Searched, didn't work, gave up in anger, tossed phone at wall, woke up dog.

But thank you for helping me out.

Your phone is dying, also I did the TSD test after my CFAT on the 25th it's just a basic questionnaire asking about your personality traits.

Also the "30min" Allotted time is really pointless I completed it within 10mins.
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2014, 19:23:23 »

What kind of dog you got, sleeping at a time like this?

Miniature Doberman Pinscher. Sleeps like 20 hours a day.


Your phone is dying, also I did the TSD test after my CFAT on the 25th it's just a basic questionnaire asking about your personality traits.

Also the "30min" Allotted time is really pointless I completed it within 10mins.

I still didn't charge it, it's at 2%. I took my CFAT 4 years ago and I just need the TSD and to do the medical and interview, etc.

Yeah I assumed the 30 minutes was just an overstretch.
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2014, 19:46:56 »
Searched, didn't work, gave up in anger, tossed phone at wall, woke up dog.
Miniature Doberman Pinscher. Sleeps like 20 hours a day.

I still didn't charge it, it's at 2%.

 Make sure you complete the tsd to reflect your high degree of patience, self-control and sense of humour. :P But really, good luck with your application!

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2014, 10:58:04 »
Good day everyone,

This question goes out to all those who have taken the TSD (psych test). I am just wondering how long it was before you got your interview and medical. Do you have your mini interview right after the test and then the medical later that week or did you get scheduled late. Thank you.

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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2014, 12:25:07 »
Wow, sorry I misread that question. No one can tell you how long it will be before your interview or medical as it is dependent on many factors.
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2014, 17:15:28 »
Good day everyone,

This question goes out to all those who have taken the TSD (psych test). I am just wondering how long it was before you got your interview and medical. Do you have your mini interview right after the test and then the medical later that week or did you get scheduled late. Thank you.

I did mine on the 5th of March. My biggest guess (alongside information from the CFRC) would be that they'll *EMAIL* you *MOST LIKELY* within 2 weeks to 3 months.

It's random, it's unexpected, but not too far away.

I was told that I'll get an email for interview/medical sometime in either the end of March, anywhere in April, or any time in May.

I somewhat doubt that it'll drag on to summer-fall. But it could happen. I don't work there, I don't know.
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Re: TSD Test and what happens next
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2014, 19:16:47 »
Thanks a lot! Let me know when they call you. Are you out of Ottawa?

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Re: TSD Test and what happens next
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2014, 20:04:17 »
I did mine on the 5th of March. My biggest guess (alongside information from the CFRC) would be that they'll *EMAIL* you *MOST LIKELY* within 2 weeks to 3 months.

It's random, it's unexpected, but not too far away.

I was told that I'll get an email for interview/medical sometime in either the end of March, anywhere in April, or any time in May.

I somewhat doubt that it'll drag on to summer-fall. But it could happen. I don't work there, I don't know.

Consider yourself lucky.  It seems that your CFRC has "committed" themselves to a timeline for your processing.  It's not often that you can actually nail them down to such a commitment of this nature.
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Re: TSD Test and what happens next
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2014, 20:06:29 »

Consider yourself lucky.  It seems that your CFRC has "committed" themselves to a timeline for your processing.  It's not often that you can actually nail them down to such a commitment of this nature.

I didn't ask them "when will I get an email?" I asked them "whereabouts the year can I expect an email?" Jokingly meaning that I'll get something at the end of the year.

I was then given the vague, but also jokingly answer of between 15 seconds to 2 months.
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Re: TSD Test and what happens next
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2014, 20:35:12 »
Thanks a lot! Let me know when they call you. Are you out of Ottawa?

I am, be prepared for a long wait if you are going NCM. I wrote everything in October and am still waiting. The recruiters there have no idea when people will be contacted for further processing. They said a few months to a few years.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2014, 22:01:36 »
I admit it. i have given in to the temptation to ask this:

"psst: So, do you have a cheat sheet with the right answers?" ;D

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2014, 22:25:03 »
I admit it. i have given in to the temptation to ask this:

"psst: So, do you have a cheat sheet with the right answers?" ;D

There are no "right" or "wrong" answers.  You can't cheat, nor can you "think" of what the "best" answer to the question is/might be.  All such scenarios, are already factored in to the equation.

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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2014, 18:01:46 »
Suggestion: If a moderator is able to add (TSD Test) to the original thread title it may help with SEO and newbies figuring out that "TSD Test" & "Trait Self-Descriptive Personality Questionnaire" are the same thing.

I guess these tests are the norm now. I just received an invite to one.

If anyone is curious. This is what a typical invite looks like:

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Thank you for your application to the Canadian Forces. This email contains important instructions that you must read and complete prior to your testing date. We recommend that you print off this email and use it as a checklist to ensure there is no delay.

Your Trait Self-Descriptive Personality Questionnaire is scheduled on (date removed) at X:00PM

Please follow the following steps:

1. You MUST confirm your attendance by replying to this e-mail no later than X:00 PM by (Date removed (Was a 24 hour window)).

For your file to continue, you must bring a number of documents on the day of your test:

2. At least one piece of Government Issued Photo ID, (i.e. Passport or Driver License)
3. Proof of Citizenship (i.e. Birth Certificate or Citizenship Card) - Originals
4. Educational Transcripts - Originals
5. If you are under 18 years of age you will need to bring Parent/Guardian with you. Parental/Guardian Consent is necessary before testing.
6. You will need to provide attached 3 forms completed. Please note if you have already submitted forms there is no need to bring them again.
7.  You must bring official direct deposit information from your Bank and void check on the date of your testing. We require this to reimburse you for travel expenses (as per entitlement). No reimbursement will be issued to applicant who does not have required banking info.

The questionnaire will be conducted at:

Canadian Forces Recruiting Center xxxxxxxx
(Address here.)

Important Information:

8. Start Time: X:00 PM. Do not be late. No exceptions will be made for anyone that is late and you will have to reschedule your test, which will delay your application process considerably.
9. If you need to cancel, you must give us at least 48 hour notice, so we can rebook you and book someone else in your place.

No indicator of time required but from reading this thread it sounds like a 15-30 min process.
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2014, 11:10:46 »
Thought I would put my 2 cents on this.


Answer honestly, don't be crazy, and you'll be fine with the TSD.
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Before I get into what I have to say, everything that I refer to is public information and can be found here: http://cradpdf.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/PDFS/unc126/p531805_A1b.pdf so as far as I am concerned nothing I talk about is breaking any non-disclosure agreements.

For those of you who do not know what the TSD is, it is a personality test that is done alongside the CFAT. The two scores are combined into an overall score. This overall score is what determines what trades you qualify for. This post is written to express my disagreement with the TSD system currently in place but as well as to bring some insight to those interested in applying or what have you. Let me begin.

Entering the military is competitive and a large amount of people try to get in so the TSD is the result of an effort to cut down staff time and to help deem what trades the applicants are qualified for.
It has problems though.

As an example to lead into what I'm about to explain I'll share my experience.

I applied for pilot or at least any officer trade as a DEO. My CFAT score alone qualifies me for every trade in the military, commissioned and non commissioned.
However after the personality test score was merged with the CFAT score I didn't even qualify for any officer trade whatsoever, to much of my surprise as well as everyone who knows me.
I remember the types of questions and I know myself, I couldn't understand how my personality test was so poor that I didn't qualify. I've had all sorts of leadership positions before and I'm a strong, stable person with good skills, so why did I "fail" the personality test.

This is where I get to the flaws of the test. Keep in mind this isn't written to complain about my situation, I merely used my situation as an example of context to aid in your understanding of the upcoming issues being discussed.
Anyways,

The personality test asks you questions based on certain traits;
-Organization, altruism, agreeableness, social activity etc etc

But a fault that it has is that it doesn't provide any context for the questions. For example if it says "I am an organized person" and you need to state how true or false that is, it doesn't say in what situation are you organized. This is the only reason I can think of for why I failed. For example, at work in my work environment, I am really organized, clean, neat and alert. At home I have clothes all over my floor and dishes on my desk. I separate my home environment and my work environment and am different in each environment. It can be vice-versa for other people. Some people may keep their personal spaces at home very organized, neat & tidy but not give a care in the world about keeping the workplace clean because it's not "theirs". But these people might naturally answer that they are "very organized." The person who is organized at work would in my opinion be the better choice to take for a job but because of how this test works the other person who is unorganized at work might get the job offer. Another example of a question may be "Do you like to be the centre of attention at a party"? Is it my birthday party? my friend's engagement party? Who else is there?
For me, at home I am a quiet, somewhat messy, relaxed person. I probably naturally answered the test with that in mind but at work I am socially engaged, organized, hard working, dutiful, in times of stress I gain even more focus and I always go beyond what is needed of me etc etc. I can say this in an interview but I can't put that all on the TSD. This is why I think I failed. And if you ask a recruiter "What is the context though? What if it's this type of party, or this type?" They won't really help you out, and no matter what they say you can't elaborate on the test so even the fact that you are a sharp thinker, open-minded and aware that there is no context, it won't reward you in any way.

The test does not state a setting or context and you can't generalize someone's personality based on a single setting/environment that they're in.
So from the test's & scoring view, I may not be suitable for officer since I am not "organized enough" because when I answer the question, I answer it as if I'm just "being myself" at home, even though at work I am very organized, more than others. Even if at a friend's place, I'll be more organized because I don't want to dirty their place.

It's natural to answer general questions about yourself with the context of "everyday you at home". Think about this for a moment. Let's say you exercise a lot. If a Stranger came up to you and asked if you are active, you would probably reply yes because in your free time you exercise a lot but at work you could be sitting at a desk for 8-12 hours not having a shred of physical activity." see what I mean? The test doesn't state which context it wants you to answer for, but it's natural to answer from the perspective of being outside of work. There are obviously more contexts & settings other than just at home or at work. Other contexts could be related to moods. Are you socially active when you're sad?, when you're happy? It doesn't care but you'll be judged based on your generalized answer that may not relate to your desired trade at all.

So with failing to create a context for the sets of questions it's easy to have a false interpretation or a highly generalized representation of an applicant that may not apply to how they would actually perform in the work environment.
If you don't do well enough on the personality test, that's the end of the line for you. And this is another flaw. Yes it does cut staff time down however you don't even get to interact with another human being. Your entire personality & character is judged by a piece of paper that provides no context in which to judge you by. There is no human interaction where they can get an impression of your motivations, how you react to different scenarios etc. Let's say that you applied to be a pilot or an armoured officer or any commissioned trade of your choice. You could be the most naturally gifted, perfect fit for the trade but be rejected by this paper, regardless of your CFAT scores without having the ability to prove yourself, personality-wise or otherwise to a single human. I think that is a flaw.

I think an improvement would be to have applicants before writing a cfat or after the cfat when they go into the office to discuss their results, have a "mini-interview" in lieu of or alongside of having the TSD. The point would be to have a genuine impression of the applicants personality in whatever context is spoken about. The interviewer could use the TSD to ask the applicant questions. It would be really quick and the CF member is already talking to the person about their results in private anyway and if they already had the TSD they would have quick & easy access to question material .

I've had a recruiter agree and say to me that the test is flawed and they are in the midst of talking about lowering the weight of the TSD score because they are losing many good candidates because of it.

I was also made aware that starting this year (2015) the required overall score for DEO was raised. From what the recruiter understood, he expected it to be because DEO applicants are expected to be more educated.
However if that is true, I do not understand the logic behind that.

All officer candidates should be held to the same aptitude standards, all potential officers go through the same training why should DEO applicants with a degree in forestry or agriculture require a higher score when the CFAT has verbal, spatial and mathematical problem solving, things that are unrelated to said applicants degree?
Not only that but the TSD is factored into the overall score so are DEO's expected to be more intelligent and have a more suiting personality? The whole thing just makes no sense to me.
Actually an interesting point about the increased required score for DEO is that I had re-written the CFAT. The first time I wrote it a couple years ago (before the required score increase) I had actually qualified for officer and that is with the personality test included. I wanted to be more competitive so I chose to rewrite the CFAT to try to increase my score and I wasn't even qualified this time because of the new requirements even though I scored far better on the CFAT the second time. You can't rewrite the TSD for 5 years so they used my TSD from before. So my personality was good enough for officer two years ago but it isn't now? If a person was judging my personality they would have an impression that could be used to weigh in at all times. It would be consistent. Having the test decide if you're worthy is inconsistent because it's based on a score system so at certain times your personality could be "good enough" and at other times it could be "not good enough" A person would have a consistent impression that weighs in. You could either always "fit" or always "not fit", regardless of score requirements. 

Another flaw with the TSD and the system behind it is that studies show that personality tests don't correlate with skills/skill potential. When you are at a bar with new people, maybe you're shy & quiet. But on the job in the military you could be a very active, natural leader who is always taking initiative and engaging with people regardless of who they are.

The bottom line is that people change based on their environment and the TSD doesn't take any of that into account. It's shallow and it is way too large of a deciding factor, especially since there is no human interaction or weight added in until the interview, which only happens after the TSD "accepts" you. Going back to what my recruit said. "We are losing many good candidates."

 So the advice that I can give you is that when you write your TSD, write it in the context of you being in the trade that you want to be in (even though you have no experience in that trade).
If you answer honestly based on your every day self, which is natural, it can work against you for the wrong reasons.
So to be judged more fairly, you need to be dishonest and answer in a way in which you think your personality would be while on the field in that trade I guess is what I'm saying. I disagree with that but it is what it is. I mean you answer honestly about how you think you'd be, but it's dishonest to answer based on a scenario that you aren't/haven't been in. The goal is to at least get an interview where a human can decide.

If you comment on this please don't just chirp me and say "you're just complaining because you didn't qualify for officer". Yes I am bitter but emotions spur people to write. Someone doesn't write about something that they're not passionate about unless it's mandatory such as homework etc. Not only that but I think it is a justified topic to write about and hopefully this brings you some insight on how to approach the TSD to better improve your chances of at least getting an interview and showing who you are to a person rather a paper.

As for me and my situation, although I am frustrated and think I've been cheated (I'm not trying to sound entitled, I am not more special than anyone else), I have since applied for NCM-infantry with the goal of being a pilot and receiving a commission after 5 years. I know who I am & what I am capable of. I know it's competitive and not a guarantee but I do believe that in many cases hard work does pay off and I know I can prove that I'm worthy of a chance. Once in the military you get to prove yourself to people rather than paper. That's my approach.

Thanks for reading everyone! Good luck on your tests!
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Well that was an interesting read.  But I have to correct you on two points which you have made above and are as follows:

a.  "Another flaw with the TSD and the system behind it is that studies show that personality tests don't correlate with skills/skill potential."  Not entiirely correct.  It is the CFAT which is used to determine your "skills potential", that's why it's called an "Aptitude" test;  and

b.  "You can't rewrite the TSD for 5 years so they used my TSD from before."   Absolutely NOT true.  The truth is, the TSD is a "one-time" test and CANNOT be rewritten.

Other than that, reasonably good advice!
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Well that was an interesting read.  But I have to correct you on two points which you have made above and are as follows:

a.  "Another flaw with the TSD and the system behind it is that studies show that personality tests don't correlate with skills/skill potential."  Not entiirely correct.  It is the CFAT which is used to determine your "skills potential", that's why it's called an "Aptitude" test;  and

b.  "You can't rewrite the TSD for 5 years so they used my TSD from before."   Absolutely NOT true.  The truth is, the TSD is a "one-time" test and CANNOT be rewritten.

Other than that, reasonably good advice!

I was told by my recruiters that it can be re-written after 5 years but if I'm wrong I'm wrong and thanks for the correct information if that's the case

Yes the cfat does judge your skill, but for my example I qualified for all officer trades based on that, but the personality test brought me down. So despite the cfat deeming you worthy the personality test can say otherwise even if you have the necessary skills. I understand that personality is VERY important but my point is that the TSD system is highly flawed in this regard. Thanks for reading!
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I didn't know the personality test had a score attached to it. I thought it was pass/fail for the trade you want.

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I didn't know the personality test had a score attached to it. I thought it was pass/fail for the trade you want.

If you look at the link that I had provided you can see a little about how they "score" your personality. But you do have an overall score that is a merge of your CFAT score and whatever score your TSD is. I'm not sure how they merge the two scores together. I don't know the exact weight of the TSD either.Like I've said they're talking about lowering it's influence but I'm not sure by how much or if it'll even happen. If it does it won't be for awhile I suspect.

When I spoke to them about my results they brought up a table that had all the trades and the required overall score to qualify. Then they looked at my overall score composed of the two tests and compared it to the required score on the table for each trade. They then told me that "I couldn't do any officer trades but I could do all NCM trades etc". They didn't look at each individual officer trade and say that my personality didn't fit this or this or this or this, it was a score vs score situation.

Thanks for reading!

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Having answered a lot of these recently for student jobs from big employers (Call centers, hotels, etc.) I have the worst opinion of this type of test. You can often smell what answer they are hoping for, yet the question still makes no sense whatsoever. As an example, I was once asked "Is it normal for someone to give an average performance?". Well, what they want is no, people should always give their best. But isn't the definition of Normal to be in a range close to the Average? "Someone" should be working harder than the rest, but then, should the rest also be working harder than the rest? Is the question asking if it's Okay to work just average? Or is it asking if you think people are doing it? So, my honest answer would be "I find normal for an employer to have high standards regarding its employees, and for the employees' performance to attain or surpass the standards." but I can answer Yes or No... The 45 minutes questionnaire was chuck full of things like that  :threat:

Hopefully the CF TSD is better than the other ones.

My CFAT is Thursday, so I'll have a better impression after that.

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Having answered a lot of these recently for student jobs from big employers (Call centers, hotels, etc.) I have the worst opinion of this type of test. You can often smell what answer they are hoping for, yet the question still makes no sense whatsoever. As an example, I was once asked "Is it normal for someone to give an average performance?". Well, what they want is no, people should always give their best. But isn't the definition of Normal to be in a range close to the Average? "Someone" should be working harder than the rest, but then, should the rest also be working harder than the rest? Is the question asking if it's Okay to work just average? Or is it asking if you think people are doing it? So, my honest answer would be "I find normal for an employer to have high standards regarding its employees, and for the employees' performance to attain or surpass the standards." but I can answer Yes or No... The 45 minutes questionnaire was chuck full of things like that  :threat:

Hopefully the CF TSD is better than the other ones.

My CFAT is Thursday, so I'll have a better impression after that.

Hey good luck!

I didn't find that the questions were too ambiguous/ complicated to understand I just find a lot of the answers can vary depending on the situation and context.
It's a self assessment but when you describe yourself you probably would say that you can both be a certain way about something and for the same thing be something else depending on the situation.

Example: "Do you usually let others do all the talking during a meeting?"

Answer:
Depends... Do I know much about the topic? Did I sleep well last night and am super tired? who else is there? Do I even need to say anything? Not saying anything doesn't mean that I am not socially active, maybe I just say something when I think it's warranted. What kind of meeting is it? Maybe all the meetings that I tend to be in are more about the lead giving a briefing on what's to be done and the others don't really say much.

But you can't ask those questions, you just need to give an answer and your whole character is judged on it without any discussion.
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What is Trait Self-descriptive (TSD)
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2016, 00:54:39 »
My CFAT and TSD is next week, I'm curious what TSD is.
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Re: What is Trait Self-descriptive (TSD)
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2016, 01:16:04 »
My CFAT and TSD is next week, I'm curious what TSD is.

Hey, TSD is Trait Self Descriptive. It's basically a survey of your personality that you answer honestly to be able to tell the recruiter which job is best for you.
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« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2016, 12:58:57 »
I got an email today from CF. They booked me for my TSD in January. The email really didn't give a lot of details about it. Can anyone give me any insight into this?

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Re: Trait Self-Descriptor (TSD)
« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2016, 13:01:09 »
They booked me for my TSD in January. The email really didn't give a lot of details about it. Can anyone give me any insight into this?

For reference, perhaps,

Trait Self-Descriptor (TSD)

will be merged with,

Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory ( TSD )
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=109056.0
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2016, 13:04:42 »
Hi there. I'm terrible at spelling and have horrible handwriting. It's really embarrassing. But I never have much of an issue with it since everything is done on the computer these days. However, I'm worried that I won't make a good impression during the application process for the Army Reserves if there is a written component necessary. How is the Trait Self Descriptive Questionnaire formatted? Is it multiple choice, fill-in the blanks or are short hand-written paragraphs necessary? Thank you.

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Re: Trait Self-Descriptor (TSD)
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2016, 01:53:40 »
I got an email today from CF. They booked me for my TSD in January. The email really didn't give a lot of details about it. Can anyone give me any insight into this?

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Trade Choice 1: Naval Combat Information Operator
Trade Choice 2: Boatswain
Trade Choice 3: Naval Communicator
Online Application: July 19th 2016
First Contact: July 21th 2016
FORCE test: July 28th, 2016 (Passed)
CFAT: September 22nd, 2016 (Passed)
Medical: October 21st, 2016 (Passed)
Interview: October 21st, 2016 (Passed)
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Re: Canadian Forces Trait Self Descriptive Personality Inventory
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2016, 11:00:52 »
Hi there. I'm terrible at spelling and have horrible handwriting. It's really embarrassing. But I never have much of an issue with it since everything is done on the computer these days. However, I'm worried that I won't make a good impression during the application process for the Army Reserves if there is a written component necessary. How is the Trait Self Descriptive Questionnaire formatted? Is it multiple choice, fill-in the blanks or are short hand-written paragraphs necessary? Thank you.

It's basically a self-evaluation of what kind of person you are. You don't need to do any writing. It's all multiple choices.
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Recruiting Centre: HMCS Discovery/New Westminister RC
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Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: Naval Combat Information Operator
Trade Choice 2: Boatswain
Trade Choice 3: Naval Communicator
Online Application: July 19th 2016
First Contact: July 21th 2016
FORCE test: July 28th, 2016 (Passed)
CFAT: September 22nd, 2016 (Passed)
Medical: October 21st, 2016 (Passed)
Interview: October 21st, 2016 (Passed)
Position offered: Boatswain
Swearing in: December 6th, 2016
BMQ: TBD