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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2013, 11:08:32 »
This was quoted elsewhere, but I agree with the sentiment that we should hold our politicians and elected officials to a higher standard than simply "not having been convicted of an offence."



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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2013, 12:07:46 »
I'm trying to get all worked up over this, but I'm afraid I just don't give a crap about anything that happens in Toronto.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2013, 13:07:37 »
I'm trying to get all worked up over this, but I'm afraid I just don't give a crap about anything that happens in Toronto.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2013, 13:09:27 »
Yes, I gather their mayor is a bit of an idiot.  Having been posted to Toronto for three years, he seems appropriate.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2013, 14:09:41 »
Tossing him under the bus are we?

No due process, just toss him right?
Trust and respect are the hardest things to earn (and rightly so...), and the easiest things to destroy. Anybody venturing into the lions' den of public senior leadership must realize this.
Never mind this video scandal, as revealing and disgraceful as it may be. This individual was not "thrown under" any bus. He has flung himself under it, time and time again, despite the efforts of his key staff to drag him out of the roadway. He resolutely marches back in front of the bus each time, stopping only those  to slag those who have the gall to actually challenge him.
It seems to me that he lacks any realistic understanding of the nature and requirements of the posifion that he holds, but merely thinks he is free to act however he wants.
As GAP pointed out, Lefties must fall on their knees and pray to their deity every night that the Right associates itself with people like this.
This behaviour would not be accepted in any other major position of responsibility thatI can think of. I have no idea why it is suddenly acceptable for this sorry individual.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2013, 14:34:17 »
Toronto Star, Globe & Mail, National Post and the Toronto Sun, the four major daily papers in Toronto, have all recommended through their editorial page that Mayor Ford step aside.,
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2013, 15:05:37 »
Yes...and the Sun was once his pit bull. He had to really work to alienate that paper, but he's done it. Oh, well,I guess Bob and Doug don't  need the media anyway: they've got Ford Radio.
Sort of like the wireless room on the Titanic....
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2013, 17:49:52 »
Tossing him under the bus are we?

No due process, just toss him right?
When I fire an incompetent employee I don't have to go to court. His poor record has made him infamous worldwide. He is a serious liability.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2013, 18:10:39 »
Interesting factoid in news today....His popularity went up 5%, but 60% of those poled think he should not be in office.

Is our society turning into a bunch of morons?  Toronto now is the laughingstock of the world.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2013, 18:25:07 »
Interesting factoid in news today....His popularity went up 5%, but 60% of those poled think he should not be in office.

Is our society turning into a bunch of morons?  Toronto now is the laughingstock of the world.

Rob Ford.  Marion Barry.  Discuss.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2013, 18:28:09 »
When I fire an incompetent employee I don't have to go to court. His poor record has made him infamous worldwide. He is a serious liability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7Hm-2i78Q

He's elected. Not an employee per se.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2013, 18:56:49 »
When I fire an incompetent employee I don't have to go to court. His poor record has made him infamous worldwide. He is a serious liability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7Hm-2i78Q

I like your notion of riddance. Can't Kathleen Wynne have him removed?

Anyone seen the video?? HA
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2013, 20:46:42 »

Apparently not. The Ontario Municipal Act (I think I have the right name) currently has no mechanism to remove a mayor who hasn't been found guilty of a crime. The mayor of London ON, Joe Fontana, is facing criminal fraud charges but he's still in office.
IMHO we need some kind of recall legislation, similar to what exists for various officials in some states in the US.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2013, 20:59:38 »
This is all hilarious.  The same liberal lefties who screamed for Khadeer's release - a person who was found guilty of much worse and convicted ... are screaming for this guy's resignation without so much as a single charge having been laid against him.

F'n hypocrites --- the whole damn  lot of 'em.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2013, 21:02:46 »
When I fire an incompetent employee I don't have to go to court. His poor record has made him infamous worldwide. He is a serious liability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7Hm-2i78Q

One man's incompetent employee is another man's conspiracy theorist. What goes around ... it comes around (Justin Timberlake:  words to live by).
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2013, 21:11:40 »
This is all hilarious.  The same liberal lefties who screamed for Khadeer's release - a person who was found guilty of much worse and convicted ... are screaming for this guy's resignation without so much as a single charge having been laid against him.

F'n hypocrites --- the whole damn  lot of 'em.

Liberal lefties like the Toronto Sun and the National Post, you mean?  Just because I want public officials to behave themselves, be accountable, and set some kind of example of personal integrity does not make me, or anybody else for that matter,  a "liberal leftie".
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2013, 02:59:06 »
Liberal lefties like the Toronto Sun and the National Post, you mean?  Just because I want public officials to behave themselves, be accountable, and set some kind of example of personal integrity does not make me, or anybody else for that matter,  a "liberal leftie".

No, liberal lefty hypocrites like the Star, G&M who campaigned for Smitherman.  Like I already mentioned.  They supported someone who HAD prior hard drug use, but they never went any further than that.  They never probed to ask for all the gritty details.  The Sun and Post wanted that information but finding it not forthcoming was one of the reasons they did not support Smitherman, as they felt rightly having someone in office who had done something more serious than smoke weed was not a good thing.  The Sun and Post are more or less sticking with their principles.  The others are showing once again their two faced hypocrisy.  They openly wanted one hard drug user to be Mayor, but this one they want tossed. 

And for the record I no longer support Ford.  I could put up with the other stuff, but I draw the line at hard drug use, this is not a new stance for me.   

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2013, 03:59:41 »
So then let us put the video of him smoking crack while mayor(or perhaps just smoking asthma medication out of a crack pipe with convicted crack dealers), many legal problems, abuse of position for personal gain, misuse of public funds and poor public image out of the equation

He promised to "stop the gravy train" and slash the budget by 2.05 billion while increasing funding for childcare and seniors. Budget when he tool office, 9.2 billion. Budget now, 9.4 billion. Even though he slashed, you guessed it, childcare and seniors programs.

He promised 100 new police officers. He tried to cut their budget by 10% and failed miserably keeping them to a 0.6% increase with 196 officers off the rolls.

He also promised to eliminate the land transfer tax and build a subway to Scarborough. Both completely unrealistic and unaffordable.

I can see why Ford is appealing since he is not some weasel lawyer type. Might I suggest an engineer or other professional to run the city. Someone who can understand infrastructure and economics. Rob Ford did not lie when he made those promises. He was too stupid to know they were impossible. You should be looking for a competent replacement.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #68 on: November 03, 2013, 04:08:34 »
So then let us put the video of him smoking crack while mayor(or perhaps just smoking asthma medication out of a crack pipe with convicted crack dealers), many legal problems, abuse of position for personal gain, misuse of public funds and poor public image out of the equation

He promised to "stop the gravy train" and slash the budget by 2.05 billion while increasing funding for childcare and seniors. Budget when he tool office, 9.2 billion. Budget now, 9.4 billion. Even though he slashed, you guessed it, childcare and seniors programs.

He promised 100 new police officers. He tried to cut their budget by 10% and failed miserably keeping them to a 0.6% increase with 196 officers off the rolls.

He also promised to eliminate the land transfer tax and build a subway to Scarborough. Both completely unrealistic and unaffordable.

I can see why Ford is appealing since he is not some weasel lawyer type. But he is a drop out crack head who can't even manage his own life. Might I suggest an engineer or other professional to run the city. Someone who can understand infrastructure and economics. Rob Ford did not lie when he made those promises. He was too stupid to know they were impossible. You should be looking for a competent replacement.

I guess the fact that Toronto like most Canadian cities has a weak mayor system, were he is only at the end of the day 1 vote on council matters, escaped your attention.  As far as a replacement, also last time I checked, we have these things called "elections", and people have to volunteer themselves to the process.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #69 on: November 03, 2013, 07:39:28 »
I guess the fact that Toronto like most Canadian cities has a weak mayor system, were he is only at the end of the day 1 vote on council matters, escaped your attention.  As far as a replacement, also last time I checked, we have these things called "elections", and people have to volunteer themselves to the process.

The Mayor of Toronto has a number of levers of power beyond his one vote. Appointments to committees and many other means to reward or not councillors that oppose or approve of his stance on issues before council.

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2013, 08:13:20 »
The Mayor of Toronto has a number of levers of power beyond his one vote. Appointments to committees and many other means to reward or not councillors that oppose or approve of his stance on issues before council.

And has been repeatedly demonestrated, individual councillors won't always sing the mayor's song, even when he does appoint those he wants into places he needs them.  At the end of the day even if a mayor stacks committees with people he/she wants, the big issues still go before the entire city council which ammend/approve/disapprove recommendations from the committees, and in city council the mayor is still only 1 vote.  Look at the casino issue, flip flopping on transit, budget committee removing things and council putting them back...

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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2013, 16:26:51 »
Part of Mayor Ford's poor results with Council can be partly attributed to his poor skill at being able to sway/cajole council members.
Rob and Dougie Ford 's personalities doesn't lend itself to gentle persuasion as I am sure you are well aware.  :)
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2013, 18:19:21 »
So then let us put the video of him smoking crack while mayor(or perhaps just smoking asthma medication out of a crack pipe with convicted crack dealers), many legal problems, abuse of position for personal gain, misuse of public funds and poor public image out of the equation

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that the video in question shows him holding a crack pipe, it doesn't not show him smoking it. Now I haven't been following Mayor Ford's trials and tribulations all that well, but please provide examples of where he abused his position and misused public funds.
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2013, 21:31:50 »
Did you hear? It's all good. Rob has announced on his radio show today that he made some "mistakes" and he's sorry for them, and he is going to carry on. He seemed to be referring mainly to two of his episodes of public drunkenness.

Soooo... as long as we're prepared to be fair and to extend the same level of forgiveness that Rob Ford wants us to give him, to all other misbehaving politicians, including ones we don't like or who don't align with our politics, then we're cool.

All they have to do is say "I'm sorry".
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Re: Love 'im/hate 'im: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford (merged)
« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2013, 11:50:24 »
"And as a condition of Ford keeping the mayor’s chair, ( Deputy Mayor ) Kelly wants a driver to keep an eye on him – a full-time employee, vetted by the city, “someone who picks you up in the morning, drives you around all day, drops you off at home.” "
http://globalnews.ca/news/943418/deputy-mayor-to-rob-ford-you-need-a-full-time-driver-vetted-by-council/

A friend of mine, a Line of Duty Injured ( LODI ) Paramedic, was redeployed into that job years ago.   

It involved long hours, including weekends.

After-hours "Standby" was a written requirement because, "City Council hereby delegates its statutory authority under the City of Toronto Act, 2006, and under any other legislation, to the Mayor, exclusively for use in emergencies."

( The language was a bit different then, but basically said the same thing. )

It was a top of the line Mercury equipped with red lights and siren behind the grill. The only official marking was the licence plate: METRO 1.

“The mayor can nominate, but we should have either myself as deputy mayor or someone on his executive, or a combination of them should have the ability to approve.”

Whoever gets the job, for sure they will be required to maintain an official log of where and when the car transports the Mayor. 

 

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