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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2014, 03:53:02 »
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The family of crew members, who were on board Protecteur when the fire broke out, were transferred to the USS Murphy on Saturday.

OK. WTF is this crap?
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2014, 05:03:33 »
OK. WTF is this crap?
You need to read the original article. This is not uncommon when a ship is returning home-The USN uses the term 'Tiger cruise'. There are very specific criteria family members must meet.
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2014, 07:10:00 »
CBC Radio News is reporting that the recovery is not going well. The towline appears to have broken due to heavy seas. 
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2014, 07:58:05 »
CBC Radio News is reporting that the recovery is not going well. The towline appears to have broken due to heavy seas.

That's an old report, fortunately.  PRO is now under tow by USNS Sioux, and it's apparently going very well.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2014, 08:06:22 »
That's an old report, fortunately.  PRO is now under tow by USNS Sioux, and it's apparently going very well.


Thanks for the update.  :salute:

I see she (Sioux) is a proper ocean going tug. All should be well, I assume.


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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2014, 10:01:40 »
The way things are going I wonder if we'll wish we still had her.   ;)

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2014, 10:43:59 »
If I recall correctly the plan was to retire her in 2017 with a 2 year gap before the new ships come on line? If she is not repairable, then that means a gap of 5 years with no support ship.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2014, 12:38:51 »
Here is a link to some pics from the USN while the USS Choisin was attempting to tow PROTECTEUR.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=HMCS+Protecteur&d=posted-20140227-&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2014, 19:46:34 »
Here is a link to some pics from the USN while the USS Choisin was attempting to tow PROTECTEUR.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=HMCS+Protecteur&d=posted-20140227-&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1

Look how high she's riding in the water. Her Screw is almost showing. That'll make her corkscrew thru the water as they tow her. That isn't going to be a pleasant ride but at least they'll be in Pearl in a couple of days.

Thank-you to our good friends in the USN.
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2014, 09:09:49 »
The tow in progress.
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2014, 20:29:42 »
Look how high she's riding in the water. Her Screw is almost showing. That'll make her corkscrew thru the water as they tow her. That isn't going to be a pleasant ride but at least they'll be in Pearl in a couple of days.

Thank-you to our good friends in the USN.

She's actually riding reasonably low following a 7 week trip; the bottom of the boot top is still below water.  You can see blue through the waves and through the water itself in the up close pictures, but that's pretty normal (in clear water vice dirty harbour water).  When they are empty there is a good ring of blue (that's the anti fouling coating) showing under the boot top above the waterline(the black strip around waterline level for non-navy types).

Still going to suck, but in the grand scheme of things, better then the alternatives.

Thanks for the flickr link to the USN photos; their photo techs obviously know their stuff.  I noticed in this one you can clearly see the dent off the ALG on the tip of the forepeak;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compacflt/12872991415/sizes/l/

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2014, 23:54:15 »
The seventeen family members (including retired vice-admiral Larry Murray) have arrived in Pearl Harbor:
By the accounts given, the the sailors did very well during the fire ... as one would expect.


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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2014, 18:38:06 »
She's screwed...

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2014, 19:18:09 »
She's screwed...

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2014, 20:24:53 »
Glass Half Full?

Potentially, another cool artificial reef to explore here on the West Coast!

http://www.artificialreef.bc.ca/
I agree from the standpoint of my imagination (I'm not a diver).  I always said that the Tankers would be excellent to dive on as there's so many large open areas to explore.  # 6 Centerline for example is big enough to put a PMQ into.  The Jungle Deck is a couple of hundred feet long and would give access into all the cargo tanks aside from the #'s 1 Pt, Stbd and Centerline, which are in the Open Jungle Deck.  The Engine Room and Boiler Rooms are huge as is the Hangar, and Dispersal Area.

But.  The cost to prepare the ship for that would probably be prohibitive to say the least they are environmental nightmares with all the pipes full of fuels and other nasty stuff here and there.  Who would really want to pay for that kind of thing? 

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2014, 21:08:23 »
I agree from the standpoint of my imagination (I'm not a diver).  I always said that the Tankers would be excellent to dive on as there's so many large open areas to explore.  # 6 Centerline for example is big enough to put a PMQ into.  The Jungle Deck is a couple of hundred feet long and would give access into all the cargo tanks aside from the #'s 1 Pt, Stbd and Centerline, which are in the Open Jungle Deck.  The Engine Room and Boiler Rooms are huge as is the Hangar, and Dispersal Area.

But.  The cost to prepare the ship for that would probably be prohibitive to say the least they are environmental nightmares with all the pipes full of fuels and other nasty stuff here and there.  Who would really want to pay for that kind of thing?

The artificial reef geeks love to do that stuff... for free. Gawd Bless 'Em All!

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2014, 21:26:37 »
The Tankers would be really amazing to dive through.  Lots of large compartments like 6 Stores, Main Magazines, the Fwd and Aft House, Bridge, Ras Deck and Uppers.  Better than a warship as the size of things are I would think more dive friendly and safe. 

Who knows where PRO will end up, but I fear from what I'm reading it will be sooner than was planned in the grand scheme of things.  IMHO, if they have any dollar and cents sense, that is.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2014, 22:05:41 »
Meanwhile RN is getting four 37,000 tonne AORs, buiilt in South Korea, fpr spme US$700M:
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/royal-navys-mars-ships-will-be-built-in-south-korea/
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsroyal-navys-mars-tankers-design-plan-completes

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The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) awarded a contract to DSME in 2012 for the construction of four MARS tankers to replace the existing RFA's single hulled tankers, with the first ship of the class due to be delivered in October 2015, with the final vessel due in April 2017...

First ship in three/three years.  Whilst we pay some C$2.6B  (exchange rates vary) for two built-in-Canada JSS, operational never never land:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/canada-issues-rfp-for-cdn-29b-joint-support-ship-project-updated-02392/

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2014, 17:48:33 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hmcs-protecteur-towed-into-pearl-harbor-1.2562634

PRO alongside PRO

Not sure who the PO1 is but he's remarkably well composed all things considered.  Good job on the crew!

(the other video of the reporter almost eating the monkey's fist is pretty funny..... probably bad idea to stand on the jetty while they are trying to tie up)

Anyway, glad the crew is safe.  Ship is probably beyond economical repair but she's years past the end of her service life.

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To sink the tankers, they would have to have all PCBs, POL residues etc stripped (steam clean all piping etc), and gut all the insulation etc.  Would be an awesome wreck but would cost tens of millions to prep.  Darn environmental legislation!

Also, so far artificial reef societies have had no luck getting rid of our old ships in modern times due to the regulations they have to comply to.  (See the former HMCS Fraser and the former HMCS Annapolis)



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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2014, 20:16:51 »
I'm quite aware of the HMCS Annapolis situation. Environment Canada changed the rules at the last minute (in response to pressure from a group opposed to the sinking) the association was going to have to walk, the government did not want it back, so they are paying for the removal of the insulation so the ship can be sunk were it is planned for. The government already paid millions to remove all the wiring from the ship, because it might contain PCB's. These new rules are going to drive up the cost of disposing of the old vessels as it's likely the insulation issue will apply to the next set of ship tagged for disposal.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2014, 21:14:00 »
These new rules are going to drive up the cost of disposing of the old vessels as it's likely the insulation issue will apply to the next set of ship tagged for disposal.

Feel bad for the Annapolis reef society; they seem to have gotten screwed by EC on this one as far as I can tell as well.

In general though, with all the environmental and controlled goods issues that would have to be dealt with prior to turning any ship into a reef, it's no longer feasible or cost effective.

Back on topic though, this situation is an excellent example of training paying off.  The ship is really just a floating collection of parts moving in (generally) the same direction; it's the crew that makes it something more, and they all made it back safely.

Fingers crossed this also helps some decisions get made on PRE, as she's equally as tired.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2014, 00:14:41 »
Fires at sea are a terrifying prospect, good job to all involved, glad to hear you're in a safe harbour.
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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2014, 13:26:06 »
I think the Dutch support ship Amsterdam is to decommission this year perhaps Canada could buy or lease this vessel.

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2014, 14:40:06 »
Commissioned in 1995, not sure if we are used to something that new.  ;D

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Re: Engine Room Fire in HMCS Protecteur
« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2014, 17:58:38 »
Commissioned in 1995, not sure if we are used to something that new

I wonder if the government would be willing to go down the used vessel path again.  Any problems encountered would be media fodder, especially given the outcome of the sub purchase.