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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2014, 21:06:26 »
And that will probably be the first thing dropped form IBTS from some Reserve Units....

Army commander direction for the Reserves on the "Load Bearing March" (LBM) is that it is not required, but recommended (more or less).  It's also not required for the Army HQ and other, non-deployable HQs (such as Div and CADTC).
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2014, 23:06:02 »
Before we go too far down the path of creating yet another thread on why higher minimum standards are required, let's look at the CAF's goal here.  How do we motivate people to go beyond the minimum level of fitness (whatever it may happen to be)?

Education probably has a role.  Are our mess halls providing enough healthy options in comparison to the fatty or sugary options?  Do the IMPs need a Maple desert guaranteed to give instant diabetes?

What more should the CAF do?

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2014, 23:49:51 »
Before we go too far down the path of creating yet another thread on why higher minimum standards are required, let's look at the CAF's goal here.  How do we motivate people to go beyond the minimum level of fitness (whatever it may happen to be)?

Education probably has a role.  Are our mess halls providing enough healthy options in comparison to the fatty or sugary options?  Do the IMPs need a Maple desert guaranteed to give instant diabetes?

What more should the CAF do?
Shutting down the deep fat fryer in the messes would be a start: using Nelles as an example, there's plenty of healthy and healthier options available, but you still get chicken strips, fries, and so on served.

As far as the IMPs - are those supposed to be consumed only by personnel doing high-intensity tasks, or would it make sense to reduce the calorie count in the "default" pack and develop a "high intensity" supplementary issue?

As far as motivation, I think more stick is called for: the individual that's always been motivated to ensure they're fit for task will continue to hit the gym, run, and so on regardless of carrots (though giving something at the unit level can't hurt); the slug might shift themselves if there's a real, short-term potential for being released, demoted, fined, or required to conduct onerous remedial training.

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2014, 00:02:46 »
"The stick" exists for those below the minimum standard, and I do not see any sort of rough encouragement coming for those who meet or exceed the standard.  Is fear the only sort of motivation we know to use?

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2014, 18:34:26 »
Your own death or worse, the death of someone else because you are a fat knacker: that should be pretty good incentive:

“In the Army, fitness is not just a fad, it is life or death. An unfit, overweight soldier could hinder his comrades out on the ground and risk their lives.”

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2016, 19:43:15 »
Finally?

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2016, 00:12:15 »
Oh goodie a T-shirt.

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2016, 00:26:15 »
Oh goodie a T-shirt.

If actually comes with points at the merit boards then the t-shirt is worth it.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2016, 00:49:43 »
- Each occupation has its own medical category. Give each trade its own physical category. Failure to meet specs? No trade advancement. No leadership courses. NO WSE or acting rank. No component transfer.

-Why? Because you can be medically fit, but physically unfit, and vice versa.

- This would be a pers issue, not a med issue. No waivers.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2016, 02:50:25 »
Money talks. Decent yearly bonus pay for people maintaining consistent strong physical performance.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2016, 03:36:40 »
So can you pass all the stations but fail on waist size ? 
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2016, 08:34:00 »
d. Platinum (top 0.1 % of your age group): 2 merits & uniform Pin

Really?  For being in the top tenth of a percent you still only get 2 merits?

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2016, 08:58:20 »
And a Uniform Pin: You forgot the Uniform Pin.  [:)

Personally, I think I would work hard at staying at the gold level: A gym bag is a damn sight more useful than a pin.  :nod:

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2016, 09:05:17 »
So can you pass all the stations but fail on waist size ? 
Yes.  That is the orange zone on the chart.

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2016, 09:23:31 »
Yes.  That is the orange zone on the chart.

Interesting.  I know this possibility is making some of my fellow sailors panic a little bit...
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2016, 10:13:56 »
Interesting.  I know this possibility is making some of my fellow sailors panic a little bit...

Really? Then I guess it's working :)
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2016, 10:20:58 »
Glad it's a Reg force thing.   [:D  Merit points mean nothing to a reservist.  The bag would be nice though.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2016, 11:12:25 »
Glad it's a Reg force thing.   [:D  Merit points mean nothing to a reservist.  The bag would be nice though.

Both Air and Naval Reservists are scored both locally and nationally with merit points counting towards promotion.


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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2016, 14:06:36 »
So if the guy with a larger waste fails him for that portion but would have scored Gold because despite his size he killed the test will get no points while the guy with a passable waste gets points but only got bronze is a thing?
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2016, 14:12:05 »
That is how the chart works.
However, I have heard that the system will be trialed for a year with only the material rewards before a decision is made on promotion board points.


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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2016, 14:34:35 »
There is a new CANFORGEN out soon (if not now) with some details.  As of 01 Apr 2016, PSP will supervise all tests for the Reg F; they take on the Res F as well as of 01 Apr 2017.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2016, 14:40:26 »
Money talks. Decent yearly bonus pay for people maintaining consistent strong physical performance.

Can't see that flying too far as it distinctly disadvantages the technical trades where pers may be fit and surpass the minimum, but will never be at the higher levels of those for whom the gym is a second home during duty hours.  We get our 5 days a week there, but that's at an hour maximum.  Many trades spend many more working hours at the gym than that. If we did same, you'd have nothing to do your jobs with.

Monetary incentives are always good ... as long as you can find the guy who's going to come in and do our tech jobs getting the kit procured, getting the bills paid, keeping the lights on, ordering and dealing with your ammo requirements etc etc while we hit the gym at the same frequency too.
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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2016, 14:50:52 »
There is a new CANFORGEN out soon (if not now) with some details.  As of 01 Apr 2016, PSP will supervise all tests for the Reg F; they take on the Res F as well as of 01 Apr 2017.

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2016, 14:55:42 »
Well frig.  It was nice for a while to not be beholden to their level of uselessness.
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I had a friend (who is a BFTA) told he wasn't allowed to show another military member how to lift weights safely, and work together on a fitness program because it was considered "personal training", and only PSP could do that.

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Re: Armed Forces Consider incentives to keep soldiers fit
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2016, 15:08:24 »
Can't see that flying too far as it distinctly disadvantages the technical trades where pers may be fit and surpass the minimum, but will never be at the higher levels of those for whom the gym is a second home during duty hours.  We get our 5 days a week there, but that's at an hour maximum.  Many trades spend many more working hours at the gym than that. If we did same, you'd have nothing to do your jobs with.

Monetary incentives are always good ... as long as you can find the guy who's going to come in and do our tech jobs getting the kit procured, getting the bills paid, keeping the lights on, ordering and dealing with your ammo requirements etc etc while we hit the gym at the same frequency too.

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