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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2015, 00:31:31 »
Speaking as a police officer......it absolutely boggles my mind that the MP higher ups have never actually been police officers, or done the job of a police officer.

Astonishing really.

On the one hand it shouldn't be much of an issue since they don't do much in the way of police work anyway.  They are mainly administrators and the badge is required for various legal and administrative reasons.  They do get more actual police training now on the MPOC then they did when I first started though.  Ideally they should be mature enough to take the advice and guidance of their senior NCOs and WOs and use it to make sound decisions but unfortunately many in the new officer corps, for all trades, seem to not have been taught that tactic and they feel they can just go it alone because they are the officer and the one in charge. 

Would it be better to have them come through the ranks?  Perhaps but I'm not convinced. The bigger issue that many seem to lose sight of is that as much as some of these ideas may be good, we are not a stand alone police department.  We are bound by the structural constrictions placed upon us by the CAF as a whole.  The rank structure, promotion system, posting requirements, recruiting system....are all things we have very little control over or input within.  While these all have an impact on how we are organized we still manage to make it work.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2015, 19:28:41 »
Simplest away around this is you inclue a Co Ride program as part of the officer qualification. 6 months or so on the road.  Some experince is better then none at all.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2015, 22:00:37 »
Simplest away around this is you inclue a Co Ride program as part of the officer qualification. 6 months or so on the road.  Some experince is better then none at all.

We already tried that a number of years back.  Each officer who graduated his/her MPOC would be sent to an NIS Det or guardhouse for 6 months before they took up their first posting.  It was eventually stopped for a number of reasons including, among others:
  • there not being enough busy guardhouses to put 30+ officers at a time;
  • those that ended up with a CFNIS Det often got exposed to various major cases but their ability to be involved was limited owing to their relatively brief stay and their inexperience;
  • the costs to the CAF to send those pers across the country on DT, post them and their families to their permanent posting and then, in many cases, bring them back to the training location for court from those cases they were involved with, was seen to be not worth any perceived training value.  Why not have them do their OJT at the base they are posted to?  It was determined to not be appropriate from a training perspective and if the base they were posted to had a low op tempo or was a HQ it would not provide the training value you speak of; and
  • just like with new Cpls, the officers were hired because there was a need for bodies and those guardhouses short on officers did not want to wait then additional 6 months or more for their warm body.
 

It may sound like a good idea, much like trying to mandate 3 range exes a year was, when you break it all down it just isn't practical or benificial. 

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2015, 02:54:18 »
Would a NCO only trade work for the MP Branch. The fire service seems to do it.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2015, 13:58:11 »
Would a NCO only trade work for the MP Branch. The fire service seems to do it.

Well, the military firefighters are not a branch of their own, just a trade within a branch.  The officers who "command" them at the base level may not necessarily be firefighters and there may not be a need for them to be so.  In the few instances that the requirements of an "officer" position (like the CF Fire Marshall) needs someone with a firefighting background/certification it seems to be filled usually by CFRs.  The Military Police (like every other CF organization) needs to be overseen/commanded/managed/administered/screwed with by officers.  Some of it is just the normal way of bureaucracy, most of it is the law - that thing called the National Defence Act.  There are operationally valid and likely legal reasons why officers overseeing military policemen have to be sworn peace officers.
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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2015, 15:47:19 »
Blackadder captured much of it and one other point I wanted to add is that MP Officers need to be badged MPs from not only a legal point of view but also from a liaison point of view. 

MP officers are called upon to make law enforcement decisions which impact policies, operations, charges, prosecutions and a whole host of other tasks that require the legal authorities inherent with the badge they carry.  They are also required to have access to police records that only can be accessed by badge carrying police officers, just ask any non-badged reserve MPO who has deployed or accepted a Class B or C tasking at a guardhouse and who couldn't access SAMPIS or CPIC.  They also liaise quite often with our civilian counterparts who will not pass over info to a non-police officer.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2015, 21:05:57 »
"reports are then scrutinized by people that had minimal time on the road and minimal real policing experience".  Really? 

I am one of those you speak of and I'd put my 11 years on the road plus 9 years of Invest/CFNIS experience up against yours any day.  Reports get reviewed and approved in order to ensure completeness and to ensure patrol MPs and investigators have thoroughly examined the matter and done their job in a thorough manner.

Comments like the ones you make show either your inexperience in the trade or your personal bias.  If you had a problem with a particular supervisor then keep your comments in context.  If you had problems with multiple supervisors then perhaps the problem was you.

No offense but 11 years of Mickey Mouse is exactly that.  Invest doesn't get anywhere close to the files that police detectives do.  CFNIS does have its merits but even then a basic level detective is doing bigger and more.  Those are the truths.  I have seen many chain of command and I have yet to be impressed from a policing stand point by any of them.  That is my opinion formed from my experience and observations.  The trade is a joke from a policing standpoint, Period.  MPs should not be doing police work.  They should only be doing security on a military base.  Leave the police work to people that know what they are doing.

The MP trade has one of the lowest standards entry standards I have ever seen for a police service.  It is by far the easiest to get into.  That's why people jump ship as soon as they get a bit of experience.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2015, 21:44:30 »
No offense but 11 years of Mickey Mouse is exactly that.  Invest doesn't get anywhere close to the files that police detectives do.  CFNIS does have its merits but even then a basic level detective is doing bigger and more.  Those are the truths.  I have seen many chain of command and I have yet to be impressed from a policing stand point by any of them.  That is my opinion formed from my experience and observations.  The trade is a joke from a policing standpoint, Period.  MPs should not be doing police work.  They should only be doing security on a military base.  Leave the police work to people that know what they are doing.

The MP trade has one of the lowest standards entry standards I have ever seen for a police service.  It is by far the easiest to get into.  That's why people jump ship as soon as they get a bit of experience.

I'm finding your claims hard to believe.

I've met more idiot civil police officers than I have idiot MPs. Sure you can argue that having a college diploma doesn't make you smart, but it does give you a higher quality candidate pool. The RCMP and most municipal police services have no requirement for post-secondary education; only that you have a high school diploma and are of "good character." Their screening and weeding process is much more robust and lengthy, but that doesn't change the fact those organizations also have police officers that just can't do police work or investigations and end up riding a desk for the rest of their career.

Calgary and Edmonton Police Services have taken on many MPs over the years; in Calgary the last graduating class had 4 MPs 2 from Patrol, 1 from NCIU, and 1 from NIS. There's 46 years service between the 4 of them, the one from NCIU was the top recruit in class. He's now with Major Crimes and has been commended by the Chief on his investigative abilities.
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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2015, 21:54:41 »
No offense but 11 years of Mickey Mouse is exactly that.  Invest doesn't get anywhere close to the files that police detectives do.  CFNIS does have its merits but even then a basic level detective is doing bigger and more.  Those are the truths.  I have seen many chain of command and I have yet to be impressed from a policing stand point by any of them.  That is my opinion formed from my experience and observations.  The trade is a joke from a policing standpoint, Period.  MPs should not be doing police work.  They should only be doing security on a military base.  Leave the police work to people that know what they are doing.

The MP trade has one of the lowest standards entry standards I have ever seen for a police service.  It is by far the easiest to get into.  That's why people jump ship as soon as they get a bit of experience.

If it's such a joke and sickens you, then GTFO.  Nobody is holding a gun to your head to stay, and frankly with that outlook the trade would be better off being 200 lbs lighter.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2015, 23:41:48 »
The MP trade has one of the lowest standards entry standards I have ever seen for a police service.  It is by far the easiest to get into.  That's why people jump ship as soon as they get a bit of experience.
Lol, most awesome statement ever.  You got in, you're still here, almost 7 years to this point.  You have a "bit of experience", a police foundations diploma, a Bachelor's degree, police recruiters should be drooling all over themselves if you walk in the door, but you haven't been able to get picked up by a "real" police service.  What does your statement say about yourself?

What does your posting history on this website say about you?

You've been convicted for falling asleep on duty in Afghanistan, that says enough about your character and self discipline but...  You don't do proper admin research on your own, instead you come to army.ca to have others do it for you, including something as simple as whether or not you can split MATA/PATA with your spouse.  You don't want to be reachable when on weekends, leaving your co-workers hanging if a recall happens.  You think you should have been excused a career course because you were going home for Easter, yet likely would have been the first to cry foul if an AR was done and your leaf removed for refusing to attend even though you were well past the point at which an AR is called for and refusing to attend a career course for personal reasons.  You get a job offer and want the military to continue to employ you for 30 days until it starts even though your TOS were expired and you didn't want to sign a new one, yet you are now upset the military won't waive the six month requirement to break the TOS you subsequently signed, even though D Mil C's decision to start enforcing the policy again when the Branch went yellow was widely circulated multiple times when it happened.  You expect the CAF to provide you with OTC pain meds on demand so you can have them around, "just in case".  And now it looks like you seem to think we should pay you to go to school to get a SECOND bachelors degree so you can take your commission because your first degree isn't suitable for the classification you want, yet you couldn't make the cut for officer on your first try at CFAT and think a waiver should be granted even though the whole point of the cut off line of the CFAT is to set a benchmark for who is suitable for commissioning and who isn't. 

Yet you complain about being treated as a child by the Branch.  If your real life is any reflection of what you are portraying yourself as on this website, it isn't hard to figure out why. 

You hate the Branch, we get it.  We've gotten it for a while now.  As JJT said, grow a set of balls, submit your six month release and beat it.  But you won't.  You will continue to expect us to employ you, to pay you, probably send you on gucci "police" courses to pad your resume, to cater to your other whims and be prepared to release you on the date of your choosing should you be so fortunate as to land a job on the outside. 

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2015, 00:25:17 »
If it's such a joke and sickens you, then GTFO.  Nobody is holding a gun to your head to stay, and frankly with that outlook the trade would be better off being 200 lbs lighter.

I was given offers of employment from two other services but the military wouldnt let me out un time to do training so I feel like I'm stuck.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2015, 00:32:18 »
I was given offers of employment from two other services but the military wouldnt let me out un time to do training so I feel like I'm stuck.

Did you ask for a hold-over? I know of a few RegF that were given Recruit Class hold-overs while they awaited their release. Once they were out, they were put onto the next class.
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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2015, 05:24:11 »
Lol, most awesome statement ever.  You got in, you're still here, almost 7 years to this point.  You have a "bit of experience", a police foundations diploma, a Bachelor's degree, police recruiters should be drooling all over themselves if you walk in the door, but you haven't been able to get picked up by a "real" police service.  What does your statement say about yourself?

What does your posting history on this website say about you?

You've been convicted for falling asleep on duty in Afghanistan, that says enough about your character and self discipline but...  You don't do proper admin research on your own, instead you come to army.ca to have others do it for you, including something as simple as whether or not you can split MATA/PATA with your spouse.  You don't want to be reachable when on weekends, leaving your co-workers hanging if a recall happens.  You think you should have been excused a career course because you were going home for Easter, yet likely would have been the first to cry foul if an AR was done and your leaf removed for refusing to attend even though you were well past the point at which an AR is called for and refusing to attend a career course for personal reasons.  You get a job offer and want the military to continue to employ you for 30 days until it starts even though your TOS were expired and you didn't want to sign a new one, yet you are now upset the military won't waive the six month requirement to break the TOS you subsequently signed, even though D Mil C's decision to start enforcing the policy again when the Branch went yellow was widely circulated multiple times when it happened.  You expect the CAF to provide you with OTC pain meds on demand so you can have them around, "just in case".  And now it looks like you seem to think we should pay you to go to school to get a SECOND bachelors degree so you can take your commission because your first degree isn't suitable for the classification you want, yet you couldn't make the cut for officer on your first try at CFAT and think a waiver should be granted even though the whole point of the cut off line of the CFAT is to set a benchmark for who is suitable for commissioning and who isn't. 

Yet you complain about being treated as a child by the Branch.  If your real life is any reflection of what you are portraying yourself as on this website, it isn't hard to figure out why. 

You hate the Branch, we get it.  We've gotten it for a while now.  As JJT said, grow a set of balls, submit your six month release and beat it.  But you won't.  You will continue to expect us to employ you, to pay you, probably send you on gucci "police" courses to pad your resume, to cater to your other whims and be prepared to release you on the date of your choosing should you be so fortunate as to land a job on the outside.


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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2015, 07:51:25 »
I was given offers of employment from two other services but the military wouldnt let me out un time to do training so I feel like I'm stuck.

Boohoo.  You signed a contract, live up to it.  If its all that important for you to leave then help us to improve the Branch you hate so much, put your release in and get out so you can take one of these other jobs.  Its as simple as that.  I know I'd appreciate it if you did.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2015, 08:06:59 »
Boohoo.  You signed a contract, live up to it.  If its all that important for you to leave then help us to improve the Branch you hate so much, put your release in and get out so you can take one of these other jobs.  Its as simple as that.  I know I'd appreciate it if you did.

Or another solution, if you see problems with something, write a briefing note to your Chain of Command, submit a UCR, etc.... don't fight the system, learn to work within it. Then again, that might takeaway time to whinge  ;D


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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2015, 10:36:31 »
I was given offers of employment from two other services but the military wouldnt let me out un time to do training so I feel like I'm stuck.

Not an MP, have no dog in this fight, and am sorry to hear about your golden handcuffs.  However, lots of non-MP being hired into policing positions have been able to negotiate hire dates to align with their release dates - up to six months.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2015, 13:36:01 »
Not an MP, have no dog in this fight, and am sorry to hear about your golden handcuffs.  However, lots of non-MP being hired into policing positions have been able to negotiate hire dates to align with their release dates - up to six months.

Yes it depends on the service.  Some will put you on a later course and some will not. 

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2015, 22:33:29 »
Lol, most awesome statement ever.  You got in, you're still here, almost 7 years to this point.  You have a "bit of experience", a police foundations diploma, a Bachelor's degree, police recruiters should be drooling all over themselves if you walk in the door, but you haven't been able to get picked up by a "real" police service.  What does your statement say about yourself?

What does your posting history on this website say about you?

You've been convicted for falling asleep on duty in Afghanistan, that says enough about your character and self discipline but...  You don't do proper admin research on your own, instead you come to army.ca to have others do it for you, including something as simple as whether or not you can split MATA/PATA with your spouse.  You don't want to be reachable when on weekends, leaving your co-workers hanging if a recall happens.  You think you should have been excused a career course because you were going home for Easter, yet likely would have been the first to cry foul if an AR was done and your leaf removed for refusing to attend even though you were well past the point at which an AR is called for and refusing to attend a career course for personal reasons.  You get a job offer and want the military to continue to employ you for 30 days until it starts even though your TOS were expired and you didn't want to sign a new one, yet you are now upset the military won't waive the six month requirement to break the TOS you subsequently signed, even though D Mil C's decision to start enforcing the policy again when the Branch went yellow was widely circulated multiple times when it happened.  You expect the CAF to provide you with OTC pain meds on demand so you can have them around, "just in case".  And now it looks like you seem to think we should pay you to go to school to get a SECOND bachelors degree so you can take your commission because your first degree isn't suitable for the classification you want, yet you couldn't make the cut for officer on your first try at CFAT and think a waiver should be granted even though the whole point of the cut off line of the CFAT is to set a benchmark for who is suitable for commissioning and who isn't. 

Yet you complain about being treated as a child by the Branch.  If your real life is any reflection of what you are portraying yourself as on this website, it isn't hard to figure out why. 

You hate the Branch, we get it.  We've gotten it for a while now.  As JJT said, grow a set of balls, submit your six month release and beat it.  But you won't.  You will continue to expect us to employ you, to pay you, probably send you on gucci "police" courses to pad your resume, to cater to your other whims and be prepared to release you on the date of your choosing should you be so fortunate as to land a job on the outside.

I'm pretty sure this dude has been an idiot here since 06 and just came back with a different name. Loads of things match up, most prevalent is the piss poor attitude and sheer laziness.

Gonna make an awesome cop, this one.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2015, 12:45:47 »
I'm not sure if the trade has the signing bonus for applicants with required experience or education.

Wouldn't that be the only sort of accepted applicant? One with relevant experience or meets the education requirements?

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2015, 13:36:07 »
Looking over the 43 replies, I was curious if the Original Poster ever came back to read them:
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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2015, 16:14:46 »
Wouldn't that be the only sort of accepted applicant? One with relevant experience or meets the education requirements?

No.  Allowances have been made in the past to allow reserve MPs who have completed an overseas deployment to CT into the reg force trade.  As well, remusters are also given certain allowances based upon their training and how far along they may be in the college trade.  And signing bonuses have been a thing of the past for a while now.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2015, 06:26:39 »
... reserve MPs who have completed an overseas deployment to CT into the reg force trade. 

... remusters are also given certain allowances based upon their training ...

"Related experience", one might say... ;)

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2015, 09:42:37 »
Lol, most awesome statement ever.  You got in, you're still here, almost 7 years to this point.  You have a "bit of experience", a police foundations diploma, a Bachelor's degree, police recruiters should be drooling all over themselves if you walk in the door, but you haven't been able to get picked up by a "real" police service.  What does your statement say about yourself?

What does your posting history on this website say about you?

You've been convicted for falling asleep on duty in Afghanistan, that says enough about your character and self discipline but...  You don't do proper admin research on your own, instead you come to army.ca to have others do it for you, including something as simple as whether or not you can split MATA/PATA with your spouse.  You don't want to be reachable when on weekends, leaving your co-workers hanging if a recall happens.  You think you should have been excused a career course because you were going home for Easter, yet likely would have been the first to cry foul if an AR was done and your leaf removed for refusing to attend even though you were well past the point at which an AR is called for and refusing to attend a career course for personal reasons.  You get a job offer and want the military to continue to employ you for 30 days until it starts even though your TOS were expired and you didn't want to sign a new one, yet you are now upset the military won't waive the six month requirement to break the TOS you subsequently signed, even though D Mil C's decision to start enforcing the policy again when the Branch went yellow was widely circulated multiple times when it happened.  You expect the CAF to provide you with OTC pain meds on demand so you can have them around, "just in case".  And now it looks like you seem to think we should pay you to go to school to get a SECOND bachelors degree so you can take your commission because your first degree isn't suitable for the classification you want, yet you couldn't make the cut for officer on your first try at CFAT and think a waiver should be granted even though the whole point of the cut off line of the CFAT is to set a benchmark for who is suitable for commissioning and who isn't. 

Yet you complain about being treated as a child by the Branch.  If your real life is any reflection of what you are portraying yourself as on this website, it isn't hard to figure out why. 

You hate the Branch, we get it.  We've gotten it for a while now.  As JJT said, grow a set of balls, submit your six month release and beat it.  But you won't.  You will continue to expect us to employ you, to pay you, probably send you on gucci "police" courses to pad your resume, to cater to your other whims and be prepared to release you on the date of your choosing should you be so fortunate as to land a job on the outside.

I can feel the heat of that burn from here. Well done.

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Re: Leaving local police service for MP
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2015, 22:31:12 »
 :salute: :nod: ;D ::) - OMG that was good - I need to log on to this site more often.

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Civilian Police lateral to Military Police - Considerations
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2016, 14:54:12 »
All this talk about Civilian Police Agencies taking MP Straight across. Does anyone know if the Military Police Branch has discussed or ever considered a program that recognizes civilian police training and qualifications?

I often hear the frustration from Reg Force Qualified MP's who have difficultly having their trg recognized. I am wondering what the concerns are for the opposite circumstance.

Hypothetically speaking ... lets say a civilian police officer - who is a reservist and close to retirement on the Civilian Police side - is looking to collect a Civilian Police Pension and still wants to go to the Regular Force Military Police.

What say you about the possibility of the MP Branch taking an Accredited Civilian Police Officer straight across?