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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2016, 13:55:24 »
That's what I do for regular threads, Lumber. But in a thread such as this one where the point is to challenge other people on ship identification, pasting the link to the picture tends to give away the answer  [:D.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2016, 15:15:22 »
Perhaps I can join ...



Name that ship ...

But, more important where? when? and why?

(Since it's me, there's obviously a political/strategic factor ...)
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2016, 15:23:21 »
All right ERC, I'll give it a go:

The ship is the PLAN (Chinese Navy) medical ship PEACE ARK, and the where is in Bangladesh, in August 2013, and it constituted the Chinese government first use of "medical aid diplomacy" to effect relations in what it considers it's next area of influence: The Indian Ocean.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2016, 15:30:41 »
All right ERC, I'll give it a go:

The ship is the PLAN (Chinese Navy) medical ship PEACE ARK, and the where is in Bangladesh, in August 2013, and it constituted the Chinese government first use of "medical aid diplomacy" to effect relations in what it considers it's next area of influence: The Indian Ocean.

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Ship is right, OGBD, mission is right, too: Chinese "soft power" projection.

But the image I posted is, according to Xinhua, the "official" Chinese news agency: "The Chinese navy hospital ship "Peace Ark" (front) sails with "Lanzhou" missile destroyer and "Weishanhu" supply ship in the Gulf of Aden, Sept. 16, 2010. The Chinese navy hospital ship Peace Ark joined Thursday the sixth Chinese naval escort flotilla, which shelters Chinese merchant ships in the pirate-infested gulf. The ship will also travel to Djibouti, Kenya, Tanzania, the Seychelles and Bangladesh, and provide medical treatment for locals."

MARS may have more insights into the PLAN's activities in the Gulf: he was there back about then with the Combined Force HQ.
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2016, 13:59:46 »
I'll try another, if I may ... again, then when, where and why (still being debated in some circles) matters more:


Name this ship, please ... and explain her significance, too
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2016, 14:20:58 »
USS Liberty (AGTR-5)

A "Technical Research Ship" (i.e. spy ship) that was attacked by Israeli fighter aircraft on 8 June 1967 during the Six Day War (5-10 June 1967).  The Israelis said they mistook the identity of the ship for a belligerent and apologized for the error, the US government "agreed", though a number of the crew (and many in other government agencies) said otherwise.


From a USS Liberty Veterans website (though they may be understandably a little bitter and prejudiced)
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ON JUNE 8, 1967, while patrolling in international waters in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.  Of a crew of 294 officers and men (including three civilians), the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.  The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap.

At 1400 hours, while approximately about 17 nautical miles off the northern Sinai coast and about 25 nautical miles northwest of El Arish, USS Liberty‚Äôs crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. A few moments later, the bridge radar crew observed high speed aircraft passing over the surface returns on the same heading.  Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2016, 14:48:55 »
Yes, indeed, Blackadder.

It's important to remember that the very close American-Israeli alliance didn't start until after 1967.

In 1948 many, in the State Department and in the commentariat, advised against American support for the new state of Israel and President Truman was, indeed, less than enthusiastic. In fact, in 1948, Russia was more friendly towards Israel than was America. In the 1950s Israel grew closer and closer to France and France became, until deGaulle, a major source of Israeli arms. (In the late 1960s deGaulle began to cut support for Israel and, in 1969, he stopped delivery of some patrol boats being built in Cherbourg. On Christmas Eve, 1969, Israeli navy commandos snuck into the shipyard and stole the three patrol boats and sailed them home ~ the French almost ordered air strikes.) Anyway, President Eisenhower had somewhat stormy relations with Israel over the Anglo-French-Israeli attack on the Suez Canal. But, after 1967, and despite the USS Liberty incident, relations thawed.

The Liberty still gets mentioned, a lot, by social media commentators who oppose the close Israeli-American relationship.

Your turn, I think, Blackadder ...
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2016, 18:22:50 »
How about this one?  What was the most well known event in its service?
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2016, 18:36:07 »
FP-344, an 850-ton general purpose supply vessel built at Kewaunee, Wisconsin, was delivered to the U.S. Army Transportation Corps in July 1944. She was later renamed FS-344 and served in the Philippines area. Laid up in 1954, she remained in reserve until April 1966, when she was transferred to the Navy, which converted her into the environmental research ship USS Pueblo (AGER-2).


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/uss-pueblo-captured



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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2016, 19:05:08 »
Correct.  Next?
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2016, 19:47:58 »
As others....name of the vessel, and it does have a place in history as well...

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2016, 20:10:21 »
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=1942294&CategoryId=12395

The ship that fired the first shots of WWI...

The Bodrog.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2016, 20:14:55 »
Well....that was quick. :D

Yup


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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2016, 21:05:13 »
Ok, here's one back at you.

It's a historically known ship as well.
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2016, 21:12:21 »
Bismark? That guess was wrong, I thought she settled upside down.

Might be HMS Royal Oak.
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2016, 21:41:22 »
Bismark? That guess was wrong, I thought she settled upside down.

Might be HMS Royal Oak.

Bismark settled on her side in Tromso Fiord and about half of her hull is above water. I saw her from the back seat of a Norwegian L19 in 1973.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2016, 21:49:14 »
Bismark settled on her side in Tromso Fiord and about half of her hull is above water. I saw her from the back seat of a Norwegian L19 in 1973.
She sank in over 15,000 ft of water, if we're both talking about the Battleship Bismark and she's upright.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2016, 21:51:23 »
Sorry, you're right. I was thinking of Tirpitz. Owe you a drink of your choice.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2016, 21:53:48 »
Didn't the Bismark go down in the Atlantic, while her sister ship the Tirpitz was sunk in a Norwegian fjord by the RAF and midget subs.

I think the picture may be of the Bismark

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2016, 22:02:03 »
Sorry, you're right. I was thinking of Tirpitz. Owe you a drink of your choice.
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2016, 22:03:24 »
Didn't the Bismark go down in the Atlantic, while her sister ship the Tirpitz was sunk in a Norwegian fjord by the RAF and midget subs.

I think the picture may be of the Bismark
I also thought it might be of the Bismark but she settled in an upright position.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2016, 01:05:30 »
Rafael Typhoon Mk38 Mod2 developed for the US Navy, onboard a Ticonderoga class cruiser (possibly the USS Vella Wood for the original testing?)

BTW, I wish I could put up images to keep this thing going, but I have an old Mac and for some reason, I just can't load pictures to the Milnet site. Sorry.

Correct, although this particular version is the BAE implementation of that system for the US Navy, and is apparently the system selected for the AOPS. I am not able to find information confirming that the AOPS weapons fit will include the TopLite sensor and the remote operating station.  If not, this will be a crew served weapon requiring 3 personnel:  www.baesystems.com/en-us/download-en-us/.../1434555377804.pdf


   

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2016, 01:30:36 »
Ok, here's one back at you.

It's a historically known ship as well.

USS Indianapolis? A,B, X, Y turrets, 2 mast superstructure, single rudder, split open across the bottom.

HMS Royal Oak.

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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2016, 07:03:56 »
USS Indianapolis? A,B, X, Y turrets, 2 mast superstructure, single rudder, split open across the bottom.

HMS Royal Oak.


I agree. See: http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/wrecks/royal-oak/wreck.php
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Re: Name This Ship!
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2016, 10:23:39 »
Royal Oak it is....

AlexanderM had the first right-ish answer, but the solid ID came from whiskey601.

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