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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2017, 20:56:05 »
FFS....Does this "title" not make you think that this Government really thinks that the more informed members of the Public are stupid?

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Feds don't know how Saudi Arabia got Canadian made military vehicles
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First posted: Friday, July 28, 2017 09:44 PM CDT | Updated: Friday, July 28, 2017 09:58 PM CDT

OTTAWA — The federal government says it’s trying to find out more about reports that Saudi Arabia is using Canadian made military vehicles in clashes with militants.

An emailed statement from the government says Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is concerned and has asked officials to look into the matter.

The Globe and Mail reported Friday that the Saudi government was using Canadian made armoured vehicles during six days of fighting with Shia militants.

The newspaper cited experts on military vehicles who examined images and video on social media of this week’s fighting.

The statement from Freeland’s department says Canada expects the users of all exports to follow the terms laid out in export permits.

It says the Canadian government will review all available information and come up with an appropriate course of action.

“If it is found that Canadian exports have been used to commit serious violations of human rights, the minister (Freeland) will take action,” the statement said.

“The end use and end user of exports, as well as regional stability and human rights, are essential considerations in the authorization of permits for the export of military goods from Canada,” the statement said.

There was a furor last year when the Trudeau government proceeded with a $15 billion deal for an Ontario company to sell light armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia. The agreement was approved by the former Conservative government.

There were calls for the Liberals to cancel the deal given Saudi Arabia’s widely criticized human rights record.

But Freeland’s predecessor Stephane Dion said he couldn’t block exports unless the armoured vehicles were being used against innocent civilians, something he had no evidence of.

Freeland issued a statement on Thursday saying she was concerned about the recent violence in Saudi Arabia.

The Canadian government updated its travel advisory Friday advising Canadians to exercise a high degree of caution due to the threat of terrorist attacks and security incidents and to avoid all travel within 30 kilometres of the border with Yemen.

Still trying to blame the Harper Government. 
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2017, 21:23:31 »
Stupid enough to give them a mandate for four years.

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2017, 22:14:36 »
I guess the government figured they'd only be hangar queens ....,  :facepalm:
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2017, 22:16:54 »
... If you sell someone weapons, you should expect them to use them when they get involved in a war ...
Well, there's always THIS option  ;D

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2017, 19:48:51 »
Well, there's always THIS option  ;D

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With the brain cells of many in Government, I would not put that past their way of thinking.
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2017, 00:39:07 »
" Now, Sir, if you'll just sign here saying you won't drive your new car from us, over the speed limit we can wrap this up"

Excuse me? Is this my car? "Yes". Is there anything I owe you that would let you tell me what I can and can't do. "No, other than this paper". Does anything stop me from exceeding the speed limit? "No, but we won't sell you any more cars, if you do". You are not the only game in town. not even the best or cheapest, we don't need to give you our business. "Uhhhmmmmmm, aahhhhh, well, you know, uhhhmmmmmm.

Canada/Saudi Arabia no different.
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2017, 06:51:52 »
Only idiots couldn't see this coming.

If you sell someone weapons, you should expect them to use them when they get involved in a war.

To have different expectations is simply ridiculous.

Expect the unexpected.  LAVs make excellent means of delivering sternly-worded letters of admonishment.  I'm certain that's what the Government honestly thought the Saudis would be using them for. :nod:

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2017, 10:08:47 »
I bet they promised never to use our vehicles against their Sunni Citizens.

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2017, 11:21:56 »
I bet they promised never to use our vehicles against their Sunny Citizens.

Fixed that for you.  It all makes sense now...  :nod:

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2017, 11:40:55 »
FFS....Does this "title" not make you think that this Government really thinks that the more informed members of the Public are stupid?
Well the current fuss is not about Canadian made LAV, but rather it is about the Terradyne Gurkha.  Built on a Ford F550 and found in the service of several Canadian large city police forces, I would imagine it was sold without the government as a middle agent.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terradyne_Armored_Vehicles_Gurkha

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2017, 13:46:28 »
And at the link, an apparently informed CBC opinion that Saudi Arabia is likely to invade Lebanon soon, and that the IDF has recently completed large scale exercises to take on Hezbollah while the Saudis deal with the rest.
A far reaching scenario, and if it were to happen would certainly involve the use of the LAV.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/war-middle-east-1.4407876
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2017, 20:35:45 »
"Opinion" being the operative word.

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2017, 22:11:45 »
and by what magical means does SA get through Syria in order to attack Lebanon?  Regardless of their collaboration I doubt very much that Israel would allow a Saudi armoured division to drive up the highway past Jerusalem on the way to the Lebanese border and I am even more certain that Damascus would file an objection or two
 

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2017, 23:01:59 »
and by what magical means does SA get through Syria in order to attack Lebanon?  Regardless of their collaboration I doubt very much that Israel would allow a Saudi armoured division to drive up the highway past Jerusalem on the way to the Lebanese border and I am even more certain that Damascus would file an objection or two
by way of Egypt?
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2017, 03:05:08 »
by way of Egypt?

Yes, of course, because they get along so well together  :sarcasm:
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2017, 10:45:07 »
Well Egypt does have to shiny new Mistrals now with KA-52 attack helicopters and 12 LST/large landing craft with about 12 Frigates for support. Saudi has no landing craft by the looks of it and appears to have about 4 operational frigates. So any assault on Lebanon would need Egypt to back them. Likely the only thing Israel would do is to pin Hezbollah in place to prevent them for moving against the landing force, mainly through air and artillery assets. Highly unlikely the rank and file Egyptian soldier will willing take part in a joint battle with the IDF, particularly in Lebanon. 

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2017, 12:51:22 »
Yes, of course, because they get along so well together  :sarcasm:
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/vivian-bercovici-you-can-thank-obama-for-the-looming-mideast-war-against-iran

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As the world welcomed the demise of ISIL’s reign of terror in the Mideast, it largely missed a more spectacular development: the entrenchment of Iranian power and control, from Tehran to the Mediterranean Sea, controlling large swaths of Syria and all of Lebanon, and strategic outposts in Yemen and Libya. As ISIL filled the vacuum left by the abdication of American power by the Obama administration, so now Iran will occupy the space left by ISIL.

Iran openly brays its desire for the destruction of Israel and its intention to spread its extreme, radical and violent brand of Islam throughout the region. In Iran’s sights are Jordan, the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia.

The Obama administration romanced Iran, but snubbed and even humiliated traditional American allies, like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Kuwait. As a result, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two significant powers threatened and marginalized by Obama’s pro-Iranian policy, have become close and unlikely allies of Israel. Strategic, political, military and intelligence co-operation among these countries is reported to be deeply entrenched and close.


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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2017, 13:04:18 »
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici! Why not ask the disinformation branch of the Mossad to write the opinion piece to start with, and have it done with?

Pro-Saudi, yet calling Iran's brand of Islam "extreme, radical and violent"? That's the pot calling the kettle black, if I ever saw a practical application of the expression.

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2017, 13:26:31 »
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici!
You mean there's more to "expertise" than the ability to cut & paste?  ???

Inconceivable.   :pop:
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2017, 13:43:37 »
From my reading the ties with Israel and the KSA goes back to the 60's with secret information exchanges and support by Israel, funded by KSA for
Royalist Yemen rebels against Nasser Egyptian forces.

Here is an article from 2016 of an IDF general interviewed by a Saudi paper https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spokesperson-tells-saudi-paper-iran-should-beware/

and 4 days ago https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.823163

Let's face it, the ME is an soap opera with dire consequences, it's unlikley that people can make up the scheme and alliances that form and dissolve as time goes by. 

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2017, 16:05:29 »
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici! Why not ask the disinformation branch of the Mossad to write the opinion piece to start with, and have it done with?

Pro-Saudi, yet calling Iran's brand of Islam "extreme, radical and violent"? That's the pot calling the kettle black, if I ever saw a practical application of the expression.
Oh for the love of all...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/23/understanding_the_israeli-egyptian-saudi_alliance_123742.html

Not Vivian.

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The partnership that has emerged in this war between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia is a direct consequence of Obama’s abandonment of the US’s traditional allies. Recognizing the threat that Hamas, as a component part of the Sunni jihadist alliance, constitutes for their own regimes, and in the absence of American support for Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have worked with Israel to defeat Hamas and keep Gaza’s borders sealed.


That count?
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2017, 17:21:42 »
And at the link, an apparently informed CBC opinion that Saudi Arabia is likely to invade Lebanon soon, and that the IDF has recently completed large scale exercises to take on Hezbollah while the Saudis deal with the rest.
A far reaching scenario, and if it were to happen would certainly involve the use of the LAV.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/war-middle-east-1.4407876
While you did manage to find a tenuous conection to the thread subject, your post really is 90 degrees off topic from Canadian manufactured armoured vehicle sales. Maybe there was a better place to make the post.

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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2017, 19:44:11 »


Please tell me that a) you know that kid and b) you will educate him on said movie and its significance.
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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2017, 20:28:36 »
Inconceivable.

I do not think that word means what you think it means...