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Re: Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels
« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2017, 11:56:20 »
More on the "why" of Saudi military activity in Yemen:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/20/washington-battles-isis-iran-broadens-its-reach/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTmpBMFl6STBNREJoTmpFMSIsInQiOiJpTFJmVHhmMmZwYkh2bUlmVE9Yck9zWnV2cWQ2NFlrSGErUFgyeFhcL2lySzNwa0JTcWR4XC9NSHRUTVBxZ3lcL012Q0hsaU0zUTZXSnl6d3ZCV3JXclNXZmxPN0pRdHVudnpxZ0FCSUw5d3RuYVpGU0YyY1hVUEU5ekEyUjJmbWxOcCJ9

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Iran’s imperial project
By Ilan Berman - - Monday, November 20, 2017
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
Iran is on the march in the Middle East.

Over the past year, a steady drumbeat of news reports from the Persian Gulf, intelligence assessments regarding Syria’s civil war, and firsthand accounts out of Iraq, Lebanon and beyond has pointed to an inescapable conclusion: Iran is erecting a new empire in the region.
In truth, this effort has been underway for some time. Already three years ago, the contours of Iran’s regional ambitions were coming into focus. With the seizure of Yemen’s capital, Sana’a, by the country’s Iranian-supported Houthi rebels in the fall of 2014, the Islamic Republic of Iran could effectively claim control of four Arab regional capitals (including Beirut, Damascus and Baghdad).

Since then, Tehran’s grip on those territories has only tightened. In Syria, Iran’s strategic footprint has expanded steadily, to the point at which Tehran is now reportedly planning a permanent military presence in the country as part of its partnership with the regime of Bashar Assad. In Lebanon, working via its chief terrorist proxy, Hezbollah, the Islamic republic has become so dominant in national politics that it prompted Saudi Arabia to force the resignation of the country’s prime minister, Saad Hariri, earlier this month. Meanwhile in Iraq, Iran’s support for the hashd al-shaabi, the powerful Shiite militias that now dominate the country’s Ministry of Interior, has made it a key stakeholder in (and the most likely winner of) the country’s national elections next year. And in Yemen, the expanding power of the Houthis, and the threat that they pose to neighboring Saudi Arabia as well as to American forces in the Gulf, has had everything to do with growing political and military support from Tehran.

Nevertheless, the pace of Iran’s imperial project is now accelerating in at least two ways.

First, mounting evidence from the Syrian theater indicates that Iran has succeeded in deploying a formidable expeditionary force of fighters there. Historically, Iran’s clerical army, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has served as the regime’s dedicated foreign legion. But the Syrian civil war has provided Iranian officials with an opportunity to marshal a supplemental cadre of irregular fighters and “volunteers,” drawn from Iraq’s Shiite militias as well as places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. The result is a secondary Iranian proxy force that, according to some estimates, could number as many as 200,000 men under arms, and which can be deployed by Tehran to other theaters in the future, once the war in Syria dies down.

Second, Iran has succeeded in establishing resupply routes to funnel both personnel and materiel to the Levant. As Michael Pregent of the Hudson Institute has mapped out, Iran’s growing control over Iraq via the hashd al-shaabi has created a land corridor that provides a direct transport link into Syria for Iranian forces and arms. This has been supplemented by an “air bridge” of flights spearheaded by Iran’s national air carrier, Iran Air, which has helped to ferry both guerrillas and Guardsmen to the Syrian front. The end result is a zone of Iranian control stretching from territorial Iran all the way to the Eastern Mediterranean.

What has made all this possible? A large portion of the blame rests with the 2015 nuclear deal concluded between Iran and the P5+1 powers. That agreement proffered enormous economic benefits to the Islamic Republic in hopes that, over time, it would lead to a moderation of the Iranian regime. Instead, the opposite has happened. The extensive sanctions relief built into the deal has provided Iran’s ailing economy a much-needed fiscal shot in the arm, and freed up funds that Iran has poured into its proxy forces and its military modernization efforts.

The United States does not yet have an answer to Iran’s growing imperial impulse. In his Oct. 13 speech, President Trump promised a new, “comprehensive” strategy to curtail the contemporary threat posed by the Islamic republic. But such an approach is not yet in evidence. To the contrary, recent U.S. efforts in the Middle East have actually helped to fuel Tehran’s adventurism.

Today, policymakers in Washington remain preoccupied with degrading and defeating the Islamic State terrorist group in Iraq and Syria. As a result, they have paid scant attention to how other regional actors might be empowered by our counterterrorism fight. And they have spent even less time figuring out what, precisely, we can do to prevent the Islamic State’s decline from becoming a boon for Tehran, both in Syria and in the broader region.

The formidable strategic gains made to date by Iran, and the growing imperial appetite of its rulers, suggest that they should.

• Ilan Berman is senior vice president of the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, D.C.
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CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2018, 22:11:01 »
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

*** Staff edit: due to guidelines ***

And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2018, 22:14:21 »
It does have the Kumbaya brigades on full howl in the comments section.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2018, 23:13:54 »
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

*** Staff edit: Due to site guidelines. ***

And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

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Certainly worth it to the Liberals anyway. 
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2018, 00:54:16 »
When a car salesman sells a hot fast car to a young customer they don’t lecture them on safe driving etc. Just a stupid observation 😉
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2018, 08:29:50 »
When a car salesman sells a hot fast car to a young customer they don’t lecture them on safe driving etc.
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive like a douche' lecture.   :nod:
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2018, 09:48:21 »
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive and park like a douche' lecture.   :nod:

You’re welcome. ;)

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2018, 10:34:05 »
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive like a douche' lecture.   :nod:

I wonder what the lectures are that a new Harley owner receives...
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2018, 10:54:27 »
I wonder what the lectures are that a new Harley owner receives...

They are taught the location of the secret switch that activates the muffler when you get near cops and deactivate it after you have passed them.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2018, 11:06:40 »
They are taught the location of the secret switch that activates the muffler when you get near cops and deactivate it after you have passed them.
I asked the dealer how much it cost to have quieter pipes put on one of the bikes (it had aftermarket straight pipes on it). He said "I don't know; no ones ever asked." I told him they could keep the loud ones. He replied, "oh, it's free then."   ;D

I installed a dual air horn though, for when I needed to make noise.   :nod:

/increasing tangent
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2018, 11:46:46 »
I asked the dealer how much it cost to have quieter pipes put on one of the bikes (it had aftermarket straight pipes on it). He said "I don't know; no ones ever asked." I told him they could keep the loud ones. He replied, "oh, it's free then."   ;D

I installed a dual air horn though, for when I needed to make noise.   :nod:

/increasing tangent

CBC is blind, deaf and dumb. And worth about a billion in public funding a year.....am I correct or is it more?
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2018, 12:31:55 »
To be fair, CBC North does a pretty good job.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2018, 13:41:43 »
I'm sorry. Call it conspiracy theories. Right wing nutbar ranting whatever. CBC, seldom condemns the grits for anything. If they do it's normally pretty tame though. This looks like the makings of a Trudeau grit announcement and CBC is setting the stage.
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2018, 00:51:14 »
The Government responds:

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Trudeau defended the deal and his government's decision to approve it.

"Permits are only approved if the exports are consistent with our foreign and defence policies, including human rights," he told the House of Commons Tuesday. "Our approach fully meets our national obligations and Canadian laws."

Trudeau has stood behind the deal in the past, saying Canada had to respect contracts signed by previous governments.

On Tuesday, Trudeau took a moment to tout changes his government is making to the arms export control regime — and to take a swipe at the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper.

"We have brought new processes of transparency and accountability to international sales because Canadians expect a higher level of accountability than the Conservatives have offered us for 10 years," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-lav-deal-1.4585035

Good on him (notwithstanding the cheap shot at Harper)

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2018, 01:02:14 »
Got it:

- Helicopters without permanently-mounted small-arms weapons - BAD.

- Armoured vehicles with complex fire-control systems to guide permanently-mounted 25mm chain-gun against targets of nation’s choice - OKAY.

Check.

Perhaps people will pretend to be surprised when a company like Textron relocates its helicopter production facility from Canada (Quebec), back to the United States?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2018, 01:11:35 »
Hey, some of those armoured vehicles are going to have 105 mm cannons.  That makes all the difference as compared to  helicopters.

Right?

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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2018, 06:47:31 »
I love this bit.

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Trudeau has stood behind the deal in the past, saying Canada had to respect contracts signed by previous governments.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2018, 11:31:25 »
I love this bit.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?

I hope this decision to keep to the deal is a sign of lessons learned from that debacle. Hypothetical: Would the KSA sue us $500mil if we backed out this late in the game?


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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2018, 11:37:28 »
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$15B General Dynamics deal means big things for London workers
Details emerge of $15-billion contract that includes ongoing support
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http://lfpress.com/news/local-news/maintenance-on-gdlss-saudi-contract-boosts-long-term-job-security

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2018, 11:49:39 »
I love this bit.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?

PMJT has as much to do with the cancellation of the EH 101 as Andrew Scheer has to do with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow. In this case, Trudeau did something that helped workers in London, On so why is that a negative thing?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #95 on: April 06, 2018, 13:22:46 »
PMJT has as much to do with the cancellation of the EH 101 as Andrew Scheer has to do with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow. In this case, Trudeau did something that helped workers in London, On so why is that a negative thing?

It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #96 on: April 06, 2018, 13:52:16 »
It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

There's consistency in that the LPC has said they don't agree with the weapons sales. They were pretty clear that they didn't agree with the LAV contract but would see it through basically doing the opposite of what Chretien did.

The lack of balls is a different story. However, if there position is to not sell weapons to dictators than its a fait accompli.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #97 on: April 06, 2018, 13:55:51 »
It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

Ah, but some folks are too thick to understand the double standards being played by their favorite party.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2018, 18:34:22 »
Canadian made LAV’s, MRAP and US made armoured HUMVEE and Abrams tanks captured,  destroyed in North Yemen. At least 2 of the LAV appear to be sporting the 90mm gun, 1 seems to have a chain gun turret. https://youtu.be/zJ8cjoWjLeg

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2018, 22:51:26 »
Canadian made LAV’s, MRAP and US made armoured HUMVEE and Abrams tanks captured,  destroyed in North Yemen. At least 2 of the LAV appear to be sporting the 90mm gun, 1 seems to have a chain gun turret. https://youtu.be/zJ8cjoWjLeg

I don't think the 90mm armed LAV's were made in Canada? Older video. the Saudis are making headway against the Rebels, you note the anti-Saudi Coalition propaganda is ramping up significantly as the Saudi's begin to win and the battle is currently at a pivot point around the main supply port for the Houthi.