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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2016, 22:59:32 »
Bare in mind, you're still limited by the size of the generator.

The spider boxes are also designed to be used with three phase, so you'll need to ensure your generator is wired/set up appropriately, not difficult with the tqg generators, may not be possible with civilian pattern generators.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2016, 23:04:58 »
The connector on the civ style is a 20A twist lock with a 60A 3phase blue pin and sleve connector.

There's a couple of twist locks but most of the receptacles are the 20a straight blade t-slots.

There may be different versions, that's what I've seen, we (former unit) had one, and ive also used them in my civilian occupation.

It wouldn't hard to swap them out, it's just regular nema receptacles with a fancy flap over them.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2016, 23:08:58 »
Yup you are right.

We actually pull a bunch of the innards out of them, change the pin and sleve input connector and put a nice carrying handle on them.

They will work on single phase....but 2 out the 6 outlets wont be powered....we played around with this a bit.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2016, 23:32:26 »
They will work on single phase....but 2 out the 6 outlets wont be powered....we played around with this a bit.

2 outlets per phase, if you're running 120, you'll get two outlets, 120/240 you'll get 4, 120/208 you'll get six.

I only mention because the tqg's are selectable, and most users won't be aware of the difference, so they may well be set to 120 or 120/240.

If you've got a civilian pattern generator, it's not likely to be able to generate 3 phase.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2016, 23:41:42 »
Yes that is true...i dont think ive ever seen a tqg set to just  120....seems pointless to me so i left that part out but yes it would only run 2 outlets.

120/240 is the norm for being connected to a cp.

We usually run 3 phase for camp power distribution.
Actually our generators are civilian catapilliar and they are 3 phase.  They do exist but are much rarer.

We've gone on a bit of a tangent here but just for shits and giggles can you think of any kit that actually needs 3 phase power....I can only think of one and it gave me ton of problems overseas when the egs guy upgraded the power grid and swapped the lines that phase 1 and phase 2 were on and didnt say anything lol.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2016, 23:57:17 »
Yes that is true...i dont think ive ever seen a tqg set to just  120....seems pointless to me so i left that part out but yes it would only run 2 outlets.

I've seen it, but only because the operator didn't know the difference, and only discovered it because four of the six outlets on the spider box didn't work.

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We usually run 3 phase for camp power distribution.
Actually our generators are civilian catapilliar and they are 3 phase.  They do exist but are much rarer.

I only say "typically" in reference to a portable you'd find running a lsvw sized cp, if you've got something larger I'm assuming you've got an egs tech along for the ride.

I have a severe hate for cat engines.

They're reliable and parts are easy to get, but I hope they give you guys a better manual then they give the rest of the world where they try to cover 30 different models in the one book, and nothing in the book looks like what you actually have.

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We've gone on a bit of a tangent here but just for shits and giggles can you think of any kit that actually needs 3 phase power....I can only think of one and it gave me ton of problems overseas when the egs guy upgraded the power grid and swapped the lines that phase 1 and phase 2 were on and didnt say anything lol.

Honestly the only piece of army kit I've ever seen that uses or makes use of 3 phase power is the spider box, which brings us back nicely from the tangent to the point where I said it isn't really beneficial unless you're running a generator larger than 5kw.
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2016, 00:06:55 »
I didnt even say the name of the piece of kit lol. It was the PSS, the aerial vehicle had a 3 phase input and alarms scream when it was wrong.

I can see what you mean for a 3 phase civy gen for a cp that would be much harder to find. The cats we were using are all 30kw. We try and run an entire camp off that, including the cp, and have the 5kw as a backup. Generators run best at an 80ish% load, less than 50 and they tend to wet stack.

And what is this manual thing you speak of. In all honesty we resorted to online forums and google to get part numbers for those things....i guess may e cat was not keen on giving us maint manuals for their civy stuff, I don't know

Just so ya know, the general rule we run by is EO/Veh tech look after 30kw and below and egs take care of the big jobbies.
Obviously lots of overlap there depending on where you are at :)
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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2016, 00:28:43 »
And what is this manual thing you speak of. In all honesty we resorted to online forums and google to get part numbers for those things....i guess may e cat was not keen on giving us maint manuals for their civy stuff, I don't know

If you know what's broken, they're not terrible, call a dealership and give them the serial number off the engine they can usually help you out.

I always found figuring out what was broken was the hard part... They give you a terribly generic manual.

They're surprisingly accommodating though, if you've got the model of the engine, shouldn't be hard to get a copy of the terribly generic manual, just as,  they should email it to you, don't expect much useful information in it though :)

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Re: LSVW CP
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2016, 08:19:58 »
If you know what's broken, they're not terrible, call a dealership and give them the serial number off the engine they can usually help you out.

I always found figuring out what was broken was the hard part... They give you a terribly generic manual.

They're surprisingly accommodating though, if you've got the model of the engine, shouldn't be hard to get a copy of the terribly generic manual, just as,  they should email it to you, don't expect much useful information in it though :)

So what you are saying is they are very Army like... ;D
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