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Ql3 course
« on: July 14, 2016, 10:08:48 »
Just wondering if there are any QL3 courses scheduled for MP in the next year.
When I attended my MPAC they mention possibly after Christmas, however my basic doesn't finish until mid Nov.. Just not sure that leaves me a lot of time to get loaded.

I asked my recruiter and he doesn't seem to know.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2016, 11:41:14 »
Historically the QL 3 class were run in the  start of the new year and late summer/fall.  Summer time given to reserve training.  I'm not too sure how it works now with the new ql3 and larger class sizes though. 

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 15:55:18 »
As far as I know there should be a course every August and January. 
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2016, 22:15:11 »
I'm about to blow all your minds....

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2016, 07:26:19 »
I'm about to blow all your minds....

If this was Turkey, I say someone is preparing to stop a coup.......
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2016, 09:06:32 »
There is a course starting in the next month or so. co-worker of mine is loaded.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2016, 09:50:19 »
There is a course starting in the next month or so. co-worker of mine is loaded.

These are the remaining courses for 2016, the next one begins in January 2017. No exact dates, but if not same as 2016 dates, very close.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 10:05:14 »
These are the remaining courses for 2016, the next one begins in January 2017. No exact dates, but if not same as 2016 dates, very close.

If the dates run pretty similar to this, would a recruit be sent straight from BMQ to QL3?

I'm asking because I start BMQ March 20, and based on the length of the courses, I wouldn't have time to do BMQ & BMQ-L before the August QL3. Is it a requirement to do BMQ-L first, if so would I then be on PAT for potentially 6+months until the January QL3?

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 11:39:40 »
If the dates run pretty similar to this, would a recruit be sent straight from BMQ to QL3?

I'm asking because I start BMQ March 20, and based on the length of the courses, I wouldn't have time to do BMQ & BMQ-L before the August QL3. Is it a requirement to do BMQ-L first, if so would I then be on PAT for potentially 6+months until the January QL3?

Basic is only 11 weeks, BMQ-L is another what, 6 weeks? If that?

 You'll probably be done in time, otherwise, yes you will be placed on PAT. The RegF doesn't like to mix up career progression and skip courses and the MP branch doesn't want to have their new members have to be distracted from their OJT to go back to BMQ-L. Not only that but you'd be a trade qualified Corporal on a course with a whole bunch of No-Hook untrained privates. Coming from someone that was given a waiver... It's not a fun time.

There will be opportunities for you to do other learning while on PAT such as OPFOR, Driver Training, you can take courses on DND Learn or CPKN.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2017, 12:34:19 »
Basic is only 11 weeks, BMQ-L is another what, 6 weeks? If that?

 You'll probably be done in time, otherwise, yes you will be placed on PAT. The RegF doesn't like to mix up career progression and skip courses and the MP branch doesn't want to have their new members have to be distracted from their OJT to go back to BMQ-L. Not only that but you'd be a trade qualified Corporal on a course with a whole bunch of No-Hook untrained privates. Coming from someone that was given a waiver... It's not a fun time.

There will be opportunities for you to do other learning while on PAT such as OPFOR, Driver Training, you can take courses on DND Learn or CPKN.

BMQL is a month. It's only 21 training days or something.

The rest isn't true, loads of guys on my QL3 didn't have their BMQL, and there's some at my Det that still don't, and were only put on it because they were being promoted to MCpl. The branch would rather have MPs out on the road doing patrols where we are hurting for bodies, rather than sitting in PAT watching TV all day.

BMQL is an irrelevant course for MPs in terms of domestic policing, and it's really not a priority. Heck, I know of MPs that deployed without it.

It should be organized so that guys coming in have their BMQ and BMQL before their QL3, but it's just not the case.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2017, 13:02:00 »
BMQL is a month. It's only 21 training days or something.

The rest isn't true, loads of guys on my QL3 didn't have their BMQL, and there's some at my Det that still don't, and were only put on it because they were being promoted to MCpl. The branch would rather have MPs out on the road doing patrols where we are hurting for bodies, rather than sitting in PAT watching TV all day.

BMQL is an irrelevant course for MPs in terms of domestic policing, and it's really not a priority. Heck, I know of MPs that deployed without it.

It should be organized so that guys coming in have their BMQ and BMQL before their QL3, but it's just not the case.

Thanks for the reply, I guess it seems to depend on the circumstances when I get to that point.

If I don't get BMQ-L right away, how does that work for the promotion to Cpl? I know during BMQ I will be a Pvt., But I thought the promotion happened after the completion of BMQ and BMQ-L. Pay wise, I am taking a fairly significant pay cut as a Pvt. Until the promotion occurs and I will have my SO home in Ottawa and still have a house and bills to pay for. I can swallow the cut for 3-5 months but to wait a year until after Ql3 would be extremely tough financially.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2017, 13:48:42 »
You'll get promoted right after BMQ, probably on your grad parade actually. You'll get back pay to make up for the time spent as a Pte.

BMQL has nothing to do with getting promoted to Cpl, you'll be a Cpl on BMQL one way or another.

Think of it this way: You need BMQ to do QL3, and need QL3 to get your badge. That's it. BMQL has nothing to do with becoming an MP, it's simply a career course you'll have to complete sooner or later to be promoted to MCpl. Getting it done earlier would be better, so you don't have to worry about it later on down the road.

It can be confusing because other trades you need BMQL to be promoted, but BMQ = Cpl. QL3 = Cpl with badge, start doing patrols at a Det. BMQL is simply a career course, like QL5, QL6B, etc. 0 relevancy with becoming a Cpl or getting your badge.

You could be a Cpl with your QL5 and have 5 years in the branch, and would not hear about BMQL until they want to promote you to MCpl. And then comes your PLQ, but that's a different story.

(the only reason we do BMQL is because we are a 'purple' trade, as in you can be Air Force, Army, or Navy in the trade. Our trade doesn't belong to any single entity like the Infantry does to Army, Pilot to Air Force, etc. Same as Supply Techs and the like. BMQL has nothing to do with being an MP, simply a career progression course to move up in rank)

Hope that makes sense. Feel free to PM me any questions.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2017, 14:55:08 »
You'll get promoted right after BMQ, probably on your grad parade actually. You'll get back pay to make up for the time spent as a Pte.

BMQL has nothing to do with getting promoted to Cpl, you'll be a Cpl on BMQL one way or another.

Think of it this way: You need BMQ to do QL3, and need QL3 to get your badge. That's it. BMQL has nothing to do with becoming an MP, it's simply a career course you'll have to complete sooner or later to be promoted to MCpl. Getting it done earlier would be better, so you don't have to worry about it later on down the road.

It can be confusing because other trades you need BMQL to be promoted, but BMQ = Cpl. QL3 = Cpl with badge, start doing patrols at a Det. BMQL is simply a career course, like QL5, QL6B, etc. 0 relevancy with becoming a Cpl or getting your badge.

You could be a Cpl with your QL5 and have 5 years in the branch, and would not hear about BMQL until they want to promote you to MCpl. And then comes your PLQ, but that's a different story.

(the only reason we do BMQL is because we are a 'purple' trade, as in you can be Air Force, Army, or Navy in the trade. Our trade doesn't belong to any single entity like the Infantry does to Army, Pilot to Air Force, etc. Same as Supply Techs and the like. BMQL has nothing to do with being an MP, simply a career progression course to move up in rank)

Hope that makes sense. Feel free to PM me any questions.

That makes perfect sense, and significantly shortens the time until Cpl. The back pay is an added bonus I hadn't considered before.

I'm going to have to get used to all these acronyms and different courses now that I've joined the CAF. You have been a great help however, so thank you. I will definitely reach out to you if I have any more questions.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2017, 15:39:29 »
You'll get promoted right after BMQ, probably on your grad parade actually. You'll get back pay to make up for the time spent as a Pte.

BMQL has nothing to do with getting promoted to Cpl, you'll be a Cpl on BMQL one way or another.

Think of it this way: You need BMQ to do QL3, and need QL3 to get your badge. That's it. BMQL has nothing to do with becoming an MP, it's simply a career course you'll have to complete sooner or later to be promoted to MCpl. Getting it done earlier would be better, so you don't have to worry about it later on down the road.

It can be confusing because other trades you need BMQL to be promoted, but BMQ = Cpl. QL3 = Cpl with badge, start doing patrols at a Det. BMQL is simply a career course, like QL5, QL6B, etc. 0 relevancy with becoming a Cpl or getting your badge.

You could be a Cpl with your QL5 and have 5 years in the branch, and would not hear about BMQL until they want to promote you to MCpl. And then comes your PLQ, but that's a different story.

(the only reason we do BMQL is because we are a 'purple' trade, as in you can be Air Force, Army, or Navy in the trade. Our trade doesn't belong to any single entity like the Infantry does to Army, Pilot to Air Force, etc. Same as Supply Techs and the like. BMQL has nothing to do with being an MP, simply a career progression course to move up in rank)

Hope that makes sense. Feel free to PM me any questions.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2017, 16:40:45 »
That makes perfect sense, and significantly shortens the time until Cpl. The back pay is an added bonus I hadn't considered before.

I'm going to have to get used to all these acronyms and different courses now that I've joined the CAF. You have been a great help however, so thank you. I will definitely reach out to you if I have any more questions.

Haha yup, there aren't 2 languages in the military, there's 3: English, French, and acronyms.

Times sure have changed, wow.

Lots more changes coming soon as well, but we all know how long changes take in the CAF.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2017, 06:44:26 »
Does anyone know when QL3 is scheduled for 2017? I'm at BMQ now due to graduate a month from now. I've talked to another MP recruit graduating this week and he received his posting message saying he's heading to Trenton for OJT. I'm assuming this means there isn't a QL3 for quite some time?

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2017, 08:58:10 »
Or it could meant this upcoming course is full and he will be on the next course.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 10:35:31 »
Does anyone know when QL3 is scheduled for 2017? I'm at BMQ now due to graduate a month from now. I've talked to another MP recruit graduating this week and he received his posting message saying he's heading to Trenton for OJT. I'm assuming this means there isn't a QL3 for quite some time?
There is a QL3 serial starting in late summer.  If you're at BMQ now, there are very, very good odds you, and any other MP with you, are on it.

MP have changed the way we handle Personnel Awaiting Training.  Once you're done your BMQ the odds are you will be sent to the Base closest to where you were recruited for OJE until right before your course.  This benefits PAT pers because they can actually do something other than make photocopies and it helps the Academy and Borden by not having to employ/house pers who aren't on course.

Further, as illustrated by the course dates posted earlier in the thread, we have also changed the scheduling of how we are running QL3s.  Instead of being spread throughout the year, the new Academy allows for "super courses" to be run to maximize training resources.  This means 2 x English and 1 x French QL3 are run concurrently with offsets in the training schedules.  The new academy has also resulted in the courses being shortened because everything is now in one building instead of spread all over Borden.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2017, 13:03:31 »
There is a QL3 serial starting in late summer.  If you're at BMQ now, there are very, very good odds you, and any other MP with you, are on it.

MP have changed the way we handle Personnel Awaiting Training.  Once you're done your BMQ the odds are you will be sent to the Base closest to where you were recruited for OJE until right before your course.  This benefits PAT pers because they can actually do something other than make photocopies and it helps the Academy and Borden by not having to employ/house pers who aren't on course.

Further, as illustrated by the course dates posted earlier in the thread, we have also changed the scheduling of how we are running QL3s.  Instead of being spread throughout the year, the new Academy allows for "super courses" to be run to maximize training resources.  This means 2 x English and 1 x French QL3 are run concurrently with offsets in the training schedules.  The new academy has also resulted in the courses being shortened because everything is now in one building instead of spread all over Borden.

Thank you very much for your reply. That is good to know that there is a good chance i, and the other MPs in BMQ with me, will be on the upcoming QL3.

Do you know what sort of tasks I would be given while doing OJT?

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2017, 14:38:25 »
Do you know what sort of tasks I would be given while doing OJT?
I can't speak for everywhere but you'll most likely be put on shift as a ride along but you'll also get your 404s (Military Driver's Licence) and do a couple other minor things that are required to get you ready for your QL3.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2017, 19:26:53 »
There is a QL3 serial starting in late summer.  If you're at BMQ now, there are very, very good odds you, and any other MP with you, are on it.

MP have changed the way we handle Personnel Awaiting Training.  Once you're done your BMQ the odds are you will be sent to the Base closest to where you were recruited for OJE until right before your course.  This benefits PAT pers because they can actually do something other than make photocopies and it helps the Academy and Borden by not having to employ/house pers who aren't on course.

Further, as illustrated by the course dates posted earlier in the thread, we have also changed the scheduling of how we are running QL3s.  Instead of being spread throughout the year, the new Academy allows for "super courses" to be run to maximize training resources.  This means 2 x English and 1 x French QL3 are run concurrently with offsets in the training schedules.  The new academy has also resulted in the courses being shortened because everything is now in one building instead of spread all over Borden.

How does this work with returning members who have done their BMQ and BMQ-L? I'm currently in the process for MP and have my medical and interview this month. If I were to be accepted would they send me on OJE and would I get kit issued there? I know you probably don't have all the answers for me like a crystal ball, but anything at this point is super helpful.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2017, 19:50:44 »
How does this work with returning members who have done their BMQ and BMQ-L? I'm currently in the process for MP and have my medical and interview this month. If I were to be accepted would they send me on OJE and would I get kit issued there? I know you probably don't have all the answers for me like a crystal ball, but anything at this point is super helpful.
Yeah, as long as your BMQ and BMQ-L are current you'll be sent to the nearest Base with Reg Force MP.  You will get your initial issue of generic CAF kit, plus a loaner BR vest for wear during ride alongs and then stay on for OJE until just before the next QL3 started.  Once you get to Borden you will get your initial issue of OPD (Occupational Patrol Dress) and accoutrements.

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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2017, 23:36:45 »
There is a QL3 serial starting in late summer.  If you're at BMQ now, there are very, very good odds you, and any other MP with you, are on it.

MP have changed the way we handle Personnel Awaiting Training.  Once you're done your BMQ the odds are you will be sent to the Base closest to where you were recruited for OJE until right before your course.  This benefits PAT pers because they can actually do something other than make photocopies and it helps the Academy and Borden by not having to employ/house pers who aren't on course.

Further, as illustrated by the course dates posted earlier in the thread, we have also changed the scheduling of how we are running QL3s.  Instead of being spread throughout the year, the new Academy allows for "super courses" to be run to maximize training resources.  This means 2 x English and 1 x French QL3 are run concurrently with offsets in the training schedules.  The new academy has also resulted in the courses being shortened because everything is now in one building instead of spread all over Borden.

I have my CT in, I'm not hoping for much, but maybe at least getting on the course until my offer comes in.

Otherwise I'm pretty much unemployed soon and the Reserves doesn't cut it for survivability.
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Re: Ql3 course
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2017, 18:55:03 »
I have my CT in, I'm not hoping for much, but maybe at least getting on the course until my offer comes in.

Otherwise I'm pretty much unemployed soon and the Reserves doesn't cut it for survivability.
Errr...sorry?  You're hoping to get on the Sept Reg F QL3 in Sept pending a CT?

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2017, 21:04:21 »
Errr...sorry?  You're hoping to get on the Sept Reg F QL3 in Sept pending a CT?

One can dream.

It's getting harder to support living currently... Cut back of hours, etc.
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