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Blue Lives Matter Act
« on: July 16, 2016, 21:32:59 »
Something I, and believe many others would support. It seems to be gaining traction across America,

Police, firefighters and paramedics on list of groups with enhanced penalties for crimes against them, as part of backlash against Black Lives Matter movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/black-lives-matter-louisiana-hate-crimes
It adds law enforcement officers, firefighters and emergency paramedics, providing for an increased penalty of five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine for anyone who commits a felony hate crime against them.



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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 21:34:34 »
Good.

Although Black Lives Matter doesn't think targetting crime against whites is racism. That's the backwards world they live in.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 06:20:38 »
Many of my colleagues support measures such as this one; I disagree.

Not that anyone is asking, but to me it simply appears to be political tripe.

There is already specific legislation that makes it an offence to assault, attack or otherwise harm law enforcement officers. I'd imagine (EDIT. Yes, yes, they do.) that Louisiana already has specific legislation that makes it an offence to assault, attack or harm someone based on their ethnic background. What ground this new statute will cover, seems unclear.

And it does nothing to deal with the very real matter of racial tension. If anything, it continues to drive the narrative that Blue Lives Matter or Black Lives Matter are mutually exclusive themes.

I'm not enough of a cynic to truly think that the public doesn't "support" law enforcement. When we stop having state (or provincial) funerals, memorials, days of remembrance, media coverage, then I'll believe it.

Fluff. Pure fluff.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2016, 08:14:52 »
Good.

Although Black Lives Matter doesn't think targetting crime against whites is racism. That's the backwards world they live in.

I'm finding it difficult to come up with any news agencies who believe the targeting of whites is racism.
Ditto for the courts.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2016, 08:37:23 »
I have seen various media come out with statistics that really prove the BLM crowd are totally ignorant of what the reality is.  An article: Harvard Study on Police Shootings and Race Offers Shocking Conclusion, by Roland G. Fryer Jr. an economics professor at Harvard, points out in the last paragraph The Washington Post survey that found:

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The Washington Post studied shooting deaths by law enforcement officials in 2015. 494 white suspects were killed. That number is almost double the number of black suspects killed: 258.

If the BLM crowd can't accept facts over their fiction, they have no credibility and are only the cause of more 'racial' tensions....They are the INSTIGATORS.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2016, 09:17:10 »
I am not going to discuss the state of race relations in the US, it's totally out of my lane.

However, current statistics in the US shows that "african-american" make up 15% of the population.

So if you look at the figures brandied by the good Washington Post, this means that 15% of the population suffered 258 killed by police incident while 85% of it suffered 494 such killings. In statistical terms, George, that means that african-american had a 350% higher probability of being killed by cops than white americans (or, in other words, they are three and a half times more likely to be killed that way than white americans).

I wish people would stop the idiocy of using and comparing absolute figures in population analysis as if they meant something. Only sub-group probabilistic figures mean something in population analysis.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 09:21:41 »
... An article: Harvard Study on Police Shootings and Race Offers Shocking Conclusion, by Roland G. Fryer Jr. an economics professor at Harvard ...
And if you want to check out the working paper, done for the National Bureau of Economic Research, see attached - here's the summary:
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This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2016, 11:11:25 »
Restaurant: "We will not serve cops!"
Huge media & local uproar.
Restaurant: "We love cops!"
http://nypost.com/2016/07/16/restaurant-reverses-course-welcomes-back-cops-with-free-meals/
...I wouldn't eat there.

Only sub-group probabilistic figures mean something in population analysis.

Sociological problems, education, poverty, DNA? Who knows? It is something that has been studied for years  decades by more learned individuals than I.

The best I can do when meeting any  person for the first time is a smile and a couple of lame jokes to ( try to ) break the ice.  :)

I spent my career stationed in what is, reportedly, "the most diverse city in the world."
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/2016/05/16/toronto-the-diverse.html

At the academy, included briefly  in the opening remarks from our Chief there was something that I remembered, "I cannot change your beliefs, but if you treat anyone with disrespect, I can change your employment!”

He meant it too. Not fired, necessarily, but offered a "voluntary occupational transfer",  you might call it, to a different job with the City. Who really cares about the attitudes and prejudices of men who shovel asphalt for a living? * Usually, it was temporary and they were eventually allowed to transfer back to their station.

Over the years, Sensitivity Training followed. I didn't mind, because it was a break from the street.

Nothing new about "White Flight: The move of white city-dwellers to the suburbs to escape the influx of minorities."

As they built up seniority, that's what a lot of guys on the job did. They bid to get out of inner city stations and into the boroughs.
Some even applied to out of town services.

* Edit to add: This was 40+ years ago. Times have changed. Now there are treatment programs, places like Bellwood and all kinds of help.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2016, 11:29:27 »
Who really cares about the attitudes and prejudices of men who shovel asphalt for a living?

Maybe someone should start an Asphalt Shovellers' Lives Matter movement.
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Another police shooting
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2016, 11:40:14 »

Looks like another incident. AT least two police officers dead in Baton Rouge shooting.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/police-shot-baton-rouge-louisiana-1.3682869

This is getting way out of hand.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2016, 11:42:24 »
Breaking NEWS:

https://www.rt.com/usa/351706-baton-rouge-cops-shot/#.V4umIVs6QCQ.facebook


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At least 2 police officers killed in Baton Rouge shooting, gunman at large – mayor
Published time: 17 Jul, 2016 14:52
Edited time: 17 Jul, 2016 15:39

Police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, are currently trying to neutralize a gunman who reportedly shot up to eight officers, killing at least two, according to local media citing the mayor's office, as well as social media accounts.
According to conflicting reports, at least three Baton Rouge officers are feared dead, WAFB reported.

It added that the shootout began in the early hours of Sunday morning on Airline Highway near Old Hammond Highway in Baton Rouge, less than one mile from police headquarters. The incident reportedly took place at Hammond Aire Shopping Center.

The immediate area has been cordoned off and closed to traffic, the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development said.

The suspected gunman has been reportedly shot during a police operation, according to NBC. However this information has not been officially confirmed yet.



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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 13:35:58 »
This is a very disturbing trend where cops are being targeted by criminals or radicalized individuals.I sure hope we dont drift back to the 60's caused by the Black Panthers primarily.Race relations were bad and continued into the 70's.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 14:53:19 »
What has happened is starting to Feel a bit like a Merger of the Civil war and Mississippi Burning at its going rate .

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 15:22:39 »
This is a very disturbing trend where cops are being targeted by criminals or radicalized individuals.I sure hope we dont drift back to the 60's caused by the Black Panthers primarily.Race relations were bad and continued into the 70's.

It doesn't take much to spark a riot,

Chicago 1965
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-1965-firetruck-riot-watts-chicago-kerner-commission-flashback-per-0816-jm-20150814-story.html
Fatal firetruck accident sparked riot

Deadliest attacks on US police officers in the last 100 years.
http://www.12news.com/news/nation-now/deadliest-attacks-on-police-in-the-last-100-years/275365311

Baton Rouge police killer: An ex-Marine from Kansas City
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-police-killer-an-ex-marine-from-kansas-city

Attackers shot 14 people after a party. Black Lives Matter is nowhere to be found as this does not meet their agenda.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbe9d5b0de9349f8b6e2f37d0cca6a0d/14-shot-outside-party-southern-california

It may not seem like much, but our city emergency services serve and support programs such as this since 1984,

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( Ironically, it seems that it was the Black Panthers   who started the Children's Breakfast club programs in the US!  )
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2016, 19:06:07 »
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2016, 06:40:43 »
Video's are popping up of black rioters hunting down white people to assault them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCKZNJzz1Ec

It is getting well on time for police officers in some areas of the US to simply withdrawal their services, particularly in areas where the cooperation is low.  Many of these inner city populations are feral and cannot be dealt with like law abiding citizens.  How can people claim:

"DID NOT DESERVE" TO BE SHOT On Sunday evening, several of Smith’s sisters addressed the crowd, saying their brother "did not deserve" to be shot. "My brother was no felon," said one of them, Kimberly Neal, 24, as she wept. "My brother was running for his life. He was shot in his back."

When:

"Smith had a lengthy arrest record, Barrett said, and officials said earlier he was carrying a stolen handgun loaded with 23 rounds of ammunition when stopped."
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2016, 07:32:45 »
Anyone starting to see some foreboding and relevancy to the movie "The Purge" and its squeals?
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 07:51:46 »
Anyone starting to see some foreboding and relevancy to the movie "The Purge" and its squeals?

I was thinking more of Robocop (without the technology)

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 08:05:00 »
I was thinking more of Robocop (without the technology)

The Democratic party virtually made police the enemy this convention so I doubt the situation will improve for police.  Private security contractors maybe be necessary if the larger cities continue to not support their own police.  Baltimore being the obvious first candidate.  Private contractors are at arms length from Politicians, allowing them to operate beyond political expediency but within the law.  There are lots of policing jobs in the US, lots of them in lower crime, more quieter jurisdictions that could be tempting for officers willing to take a pay cut for quality of life.  Nothing says you have to offer your services and training to the big departments and once the quality candidates dry up......
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 08:23:37 »
What a bunch of animals. I can see people getting fed up and taking the law into their own hands or the army getting deployed.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2016, 08:43:55 »
It is getting well on time for police officers in some areas of the US to simply withdrawal their services, particularly in areas where the cooperation is low.

While I agree with your sentiment if they did that the same people would cry out that the police don't care and never respond to their cries. 

Its a no win situation for the police.  The populace in question, the media and even sometimes government seems to be looking to hang them given the chance, damn the facts.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2016, 08:53:36 »
Can't deploy the Army in the U.S. It's illegal for the president to do so and there is no provision for any State to ask for the Army (Posse Comitatus Act).

I think it's because the last time it happened, they got into that little scrap called the Civil War.

Anyhow, the Governor of the State can deploy that state's National Guard, or in extreme cases provided by the Insurrection Act, the President can deploy the National Guard of any State as federal troop - which I believe was last done by J.F. Kennedy.

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2016, 09:10:25 »
No matter which way you cut it, they're heading for a Force 7 shitstorm between the police and populace in some cities.  There was a time past where I looking at the possibilities of taking on a police job south of the line.  Thank god I didn't go for the green card and carry on.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2016, 09:27:13 »
Can't deploy the Army in the U.S. It's illegal for the president to do so and there is no provision for any State to ask for the Army (Posse Comitatus Act).

I think it's because the last time it happened, they got into that little scrap called the Civil War.

Anyhow, the Governor of the State can deploy that state's National Guard, or in extreme cases provided by the Insurrection Act, the President can deploy the National Guard of any State as federal troop - which I believe was last done by J.F. Kennedy.

Right on.  I didn't know they fell under different rules but that works.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2016, 10:06:46 »
Can't deploy the Army in the U.S. It's illegal for the president to do so and there is no provision for any State to ask for the Army (Posse Comitatus Act).

I think it's because the last time it happened, they got into that little scrap called the Civil War.

Anyhow, the Governor of the State can deploy that state's National Guard, or in extreme cases provided by the Insurrection Act, the President can deploy the National Guard of any State as federal troop - which I believe was last done by J.F. Kennedy.

We may see this happen soon:

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Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke requests mobilization of National Guard
POSTED 9:54 AM, AUGUST 14, 2016, BY FOX6 NEWS AND CNN WIRE SERVICE, UPDATED AT 10:58AM, AUGUST 14, 2016

MILWAUKEE — Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke has requested the mobilization of the National Guard in the wake of violence that erupted in the City of Milwaukee late Saturday, August 13th and early Sunday, August 14th.

Clarke made the request after consulting with Gov. Scott Walker and Major Gen. Donald Dunbar of the Wisconsin National Guard.

Clarke said the following in a statement as part of a news release:

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“We cannot allow for a repeat of what happened (Saturday) night.  I am going to utilize all available resources to accomplish that.”

On Saturday night, violence erupted in the wake of an officer-involved shooting that happened near 44th and Auer on Saturday afternoon.

Protesters burned several stores, including the BP gas station at Sherman and Burleigh, Jet Beauty at 35th and Fond du Lac, BMO Harris Bank at 36th and Fond du Lac, O’Reilly Auto Parts at Fond du Lac and Burleigh and MJM Liquor at Fond du Lac and North — and threw rocks at police on the city’s north side, leaving one officer injured and three protesters arrested. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said protesters had been using social media to draw more demonstrators.

It all started Saturday afternoon, when a pair of police officers stopped two people driving through the north-side neighborhood, police said. That led to a foot chase between the people in the car and police, which ended when an officer shot one of the two — a 23-year-old man who was armed with a handgun, authorities said.

The police officer “ordered that individual to drop his gun, the individual did not drop his gun,” Barrett said during a news conference later in the day. “He had the gun with him and the officer fired several times.”

The man died at the scene. It was unclear Sunday morning whether the second occupant of the car was in police custody. The officer who fired the fatal shots was not injured and will be placed on administrative duty during an investigation.

The unidentified suspect was shot twice, in the arm and chest, the mayor said. The handgun he carried had been stolen during a burglary in nearby Waukesha in March, according to police.

“The victim of that burglary reported 500 rounds of ammunition were also stolen with the handgun,” police said.

The officer who fired the deadly shots is 24 years old and has six years of service with the Milwaukee Police Department — three as an officer. Police provided no further details on the identities of the officer or the occupants of the car.

The officer was wearing a body camera at the time of the shooting, Barrett said. Any evidence from the body camera video will likely become a key part of the investigation, said CNN law enforcement analyst Cedric Alexander.

“We’re going to see over the next number of hours and the next number of days what information [investigators] feel comfortable releasing to the public, Alexander said. “It think it’s going to be essentially important to get out as much of that video, as long as it doesn’t jeopardize the integrity of the investigation.”

“This is a neighborhood that has unfortunately been affected by violence in the recent past,” Barrett said. The shooting occurred near the same place where a double homicide happened on August 9. In that incident a man was shot dead and another was fatally stabbed, police said.

City Alderman Khalif Rainey said the area has been a “powder keg” for potential violence throughout the summer.

“What happened tonight may not have been right and I am not justifying that but no one can deny the fact that there are problems, racial problems in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that need to be rectified,” Rainey said. “This community of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, has become the worst place to live for African Americans in the entire country.”

Rainey said Saturday’s violence was a byproduct of inequities, injustice, unemployment and under-education.

“Something has to be done to address these issues,” he said. “The black people of Milwaukee are tired, they are tired of living under this oppression, this is their life.”

Local officials planned to meet with church and community leaders Sunday to discuss ways to move forward.

Monitor FOX6 News and FOX6Now.com for updates on this developing story.


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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2016, 11:17:28 »
August 11, 1965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZhCJFkABLE

Not much has changed.

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Possible Active Shooter at JFK. Lots of panic. False Alarm.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJH9DKYhe6v/?hl=en

52 people were shot over the weekend in Chicago ...40 of them had a total of 672 prior arrests on their records.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160815/bronzeville/40-of-weekends-shooting-victims-had-been-arrested-672-times-top-cop-says
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2016, 11:29:51 »
Sister of Milwaukee man shot by cops tells rioters not to burn down their community ...but burn down the suburbs.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7dc_1471311858

“Burning down s**t ain’t gonna help nothin’!” she yelled, referring to the rioting that ended with six businesses being burned down and the summoning of the National Guard. “You’re burning down s**t we need in our community. Take that s**t to the suburbs! Burn that  s**t down!”


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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2016, 11:39:08 »
Sister of Milwaukee man shot by cops tells rioters not to burn down their community ...but burn down the suburbs.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7dc_1471311858

“Burning down s**t ain’t gonna help nothin’!” she yelled, referring to the rioting that ended with six businesses being burned down and the summoning of the National Guard. “You’re burning down s**t we need in our community. Take that s**t to the suburbs! Burn that  s**t down!”

Yes, a black police officer patrolling a black neighbourhood shoots a black man who had a long arrest record and had just left the scene of a crime and war carrying a stolen handgun, but somehow the appropriate response is to burn down the white suburbs...
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2016, 11:49:23 »
Yes, a black police officer patrolling a black neighbourhood shoots a black man who had a long arrest record and had just left the scene of a crime and war carrying a stolen handgun, but somehow the appropriate response is to burn down the white suburbs...

In a city like Detroit that might make sense, not much left to burn otherwise.
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More about that scene at JFK,

Scenes From the Terrifying, Already Forgotten JFK Airport Shooting That Wasn’t
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/the-terrifying-jfk-airport-shooting-that-wasnt.html

BLM shuts down Yonge and Dundas during AM rush-hour,
http://www.680news.com/2016/08/15/black-lives-matter-protest-block-entire-yonge-dundas-intersection/
They were protesting the death of an Ottawa man who died after being arrested by police last month.

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With food, games, rides and fun of course."
http://nypost.com/2016/08/16/crown-heights-plans-insensitive-carnival-to-mark-1991-riots/


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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2016, 12:00:27 »
Anyone starting to see some foreboding and relevancy to the movie "The Purge" and its squeals?

Can I buy just the soundtrack?
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Can I buy just the soundtrack?

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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2016, 12:26:47 »
Yes, a black police officer patrolling a black neighbourhood shoots a black man who had a long arrest record and had just left the scene of a crime and war carrying a stolen handgun, but somehow the appropriate response is to burn down the white suburbs...

 :Tin-Foil-Hat: Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke has been a thorn in Clintons side since the Primaries kicked off. He's outspoken, pulls no punches kind of guy that's been dispelling Clinton and Black Lives Matter propaganda.

So looking at the real big picture, would it be possible that Clarke was inflicting that much damage to the above that he needed to be sidelined?

George Soros engineers civil wars on an international scale. Starting a riot in Clarke's district is something he could do while taking his morning crap. He might not have instigated the shooting, but he's more than capable of the later effects that are keeping Clarke busy.

The rioters have finally figured out that they will only hurt themselves burning down their own neighbourhoods. and are threatening to move out to the burbs.

It really has nothing to do with the felon that was shot. There is ample available evidence to show that the police acted properly. He was just the spark that got Soros involved and is now tossed aside while the agenda advances past his usefulness.  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

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« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2016, 13:24:49 »
:Tin-Foil-Hat: Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke has been a thorn in Clintons side since the Primaries kicked off. He's outspoken, pulls no punches kind of guy that's been dispelling Clinton and Black Lives Matter propaganda.

So looking at the real big picture, would it be possible that Clarke was inflicting that much damage to the above that he needed to be sidelined?

George Soros engineers civil wars on an international scale. Starting a riot in Clarke's district is something he could do while taking his morning crap. He might not have instigated the shooting, but he's more than capable of the later effects that are keeping Clarke busy.

The rioters have finally figured out that they will only hurt themselves burning down their own neighbourhoods. and are threatening to move out to the burbs.

It really has nothing to do with the felon that was shot. There is ample available evidence to show that the police acted properly. He was just the spark that got Soros involved and is now tossed aside while the agenda advances past his usefulness.  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

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Seriously? What have you been putting in your coffee lately RG?

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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2016, 13:41:35 »
I simply made a light hearted stab at alternatives, but if you want to get serious and call me crazy. What is not possible in the scenario I stated?

Other than the possibility shared in the last line, what did I say that you can refute?
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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2016, 13:59:53 »
I simply made a light hearted stab at alternatives, but if you want to get serious and call me crazy. What is not possible in the scenario I stated?

Other than the possibility shared in the last line, what did I say that you can refute?

Refute means to "prove a fact or statement to be wrong". I cannot do this for any of your statements, just as I can't prove (especially with my mere words on an online forum) that the moon landing was real, that JFK was not killed by the CIA, and that President Obama is not, in fact, a closet Muslim.

That being said, I've been around a large, government organization long enough to realize that 99% of conspiracies out there are hogwash, simply because of the fact that once you get 3 people working on anything, 1 of them will screw something up, 1 will probably be working against the other two, and the last one can't keep their mouth shut.

So, I can't refute anything, but in my humble, honest opinion, Hilary Clinton and the Democratic Party did not create this riot with the help of George Soros because David Clarke was too much of a thorn in their side.

How did George Thoros even get involved in this in the first place? Man's a multi-billion dollar philanthropist who built himself and his fortune from scratch.
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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2016, 14:12:47 »
Georgie, according to his foundation tax returns is the #1 supplier of funds to everything anti coal, anti oil, anti conservative.  He funnels 100s of millions through other foundations.  Interesting thing is after he is successful, his holding companies buys up the offending companies at a real good price and the funds for the antis dry up.  Saving the world one manufactured bankruptcy after another. 

One of his foundations also bankrolls the foundation that bankrolls BLM.  The foundations have to publish their donations in their tax returns which are public in the US.  There is a lady in BC who researches all the tax info of these foundations and posts the stuff.  He given a lot of money to the big 3 anti oil sands groups but since he is heavily invested in US shale that would make sense.
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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2016, 14:26:42 »
Georgie, according to his foundation tax returns is the #1 supplier of funds to everything anti coal, anti oil, anti conservative.  He funnels 100s of millions through other foundations.  Interesting thing is after he is successful, his holding companies buys up the offending companies at a real good price and the funds for the antis dry up.  Saving the world one manufactured bankruptcy after another.

^^This^^

Soros has done a pretty magnificent job of staying off the radar and his friends that own the MSM are complicit in keeping him off the front page.

Having said that, the most cursory research will show that he has been in the business of destabilising democratic governments throughout the world for a long time. Although, recently, he admitted to engineering the Muslim migration in order to destabilize Europe and wipe out their borders and create a clash of civilizations.

The Clintons and their foundation are very cozy with Soros.

A little tidbit on the Rothschild dynasty. They own every country's central bank (Bank of Canada, Bank of England, etc) in the world except Cuba, Iran and North Korea. And Obama has just opened up the first two.

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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2016, 14:37:38 »
A little tidbit on the Rothschild dynasty. They own every country's central bank (Bank of Canada, Bank of England, etc) in the world except Cuba, Iran and North Korea. And Obama has just opened up the first two.

Really? The Rothschild's own the Bank of Canada, you say? The Bank of Canada is owned by the Minister of Finance, through the issuance of shares IAW the Bank of Canada Act. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bill Morneau, Joe Oliver and Jim Flaherty were not members of the Rothschilds dynasty.

As for those central banks that do permit private ownership, such as how the US Federal Reserve is owned by various banks across the states: Owning shares in a central bank and actually having any control in a central bank are two completely different things.
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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2016, 15:22:47 »
Really? The Rothschild's own the Bank of Canada, you say? The Bank of Canada is owned by the Minister of Finance, through the issuance of shares IAW the Bank of Canada Act. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bill Morneau, Joe Oliver and Jim Flaherty were members of the Rothschilds dynasty.

As for those central banks that do permit private ownership, such as how the US Federal Reserve is owned by various banks across the states: Owning shares in a central bank and actually having any control in a central bank are two completely different things.

Yes, own is a misnomer. Being directed, and operated, by the major shareholder(s) is more correct. There are only those three that are truly nationalist with no outside influence.



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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2016, 15:59:09 »
Yes, own is a misnomer. Being directed, and operated, by the major shareholder(s) is more correct. There are only those three that are truly nationalist with no outside influence.

Your preaching obvious truths and using them as evidence of something more specific, and in this case, sinister. Every bank in the world, nay, every organization in the world, is effected by outside influences, some political, some economic, some benign, and some more Machiavellian.

The Rothschilds "dynasty" could dump a whole bunch of money into companies in direct competition with the Canadian Energy sector. If it works, and our energy sector staggers, the economy continues its slow progress, and the Bank of Canada maintains it's low interest rates. Voila, they've influenced our central bank.

But they don't own, direct, or operate the Bank of Canada.

From what drivel did you read that the Rothschilds own the Bank of Canada? Canadians own the Bank of Canada through our Minister of Finance. Who runs the Bank of Canada? The Governor, who is appointed by parliament. Stepehn Poloz, Marc Carney and David Dodge. These are accomplished Canadians, some of whom (like Carney), come form small town in Canada. These aren't members of the Rothschild family or their shills.
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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2016, 17:04:46 »
Regarding the Yonge and Dundas rush-hour shutdown,

16 Aug 2016

BLM calls for investigation into Ottawa Paramedics.
https://mic.com/articles/151574/black-lives-matter-toronto-blocks-traffic-over-abdirahman-abdi-s-police-beating-death#.By54aZqOi
"We are calling for the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care Eric Hoskins to start an investigation into how the Ottawa hospitals and the Ottawa paramedics collaborated with the Special Investigations Unit and with the Ottawa Police to withhold information about Abdirahman Abdi's time of death," Hashim Yussuf, an organizer of the protest, told CP24.com.

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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2016, 17:50:25 »
Regarding the Yonge and Dundas rush-hour shutdown,

16 Aug 2016

BLM calls for investigation into Ottawa Paramedics.
https://mic.com/articles/151574/black-lives-matter-toronto-blocks-traffic-over-abdirahman-abdi-s-police-beating-death#.By54aZqOi
"We are calling for the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care Eric Hoskins to start an investigation into how the Ottawa hospitals and the Ottawa paramedics collaborated with the Special Investigations Unit and with the Ottawa Police to withhold information about Abdirahman Abdi's time of death," Hashim Yussuf, an organizer of the protest, told CP24.com.

FFS  ::)


When we allow people whose elevators don't go to the top floor or are a few bricks short of a load, get into the public spotlight and attract fellow 'Defectives' to create an organization that has no concept of reality, and then continually give them media attention, we only bring this upon ourselves.  Why do we allow people with IQ's less than half their age grab the mike in front of a camera?   [:(
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FFS  ::)


When we allow people whose elevators don't go to the top floor or are a few bricks short of a load, get into the public spotlight and attract fellow 'Defectives' to create an organization that has no concept of reality, and then continually give them media attention, we only bring this upon ourselves.  Why do we allow people with IQ's less than half their age grab the mike in front of a camera?   [:(

Because George Soros; apparently.
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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2016, 18:19:30 »
I've got this theory.  If you don't break the law, you've nothing to really worry about.

It's worked for me for quite some time now... :2c:
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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2016, 18:57:12 »
August 14, 2016

White cops and correction officers are being targeted for death by a black prison gang in what’s being called “Black August,” according to a chilling security bulletin obtained by The Post.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/14/prison-gang-targeted-white-guards-in-black-august-plan-fbi/
The bulletin was issued by the FBI’s National Gang intelligence Center, and the warnings were passed on to city Correction officials on Aug. 5.

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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2016, 19:07:43 »
Because George Soros; apparently.
Wow you wound easily. Anyway, the thing with revolution is that they will consume everyone if unchecked long enough. I sure we will start hearing about the murdered and missing black folks hidden in hospital basements in TO.

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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2016, 19:23:36 »
Wow you wound easily.



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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2016, 14:54:33 »
Freedom of speech and all that. I hope they fire him,

21 August 2016

'F- -k them cops': New York fire captain outed as having a secret rap career singing anti-police lyrics
Kaseem Ryan is a FDNY captain based in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn
He performs under the rap name Ka and sings about the 'ghetto life'
In one song from 2013 he sings:  'F- -k them cops and swats with night vision. I see your traps and your plots to dead us'
Ryan earns almost $150,000 a year
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Aug 24, 2016

Black Lives Matter protest death of Abdirahman Abdi outside SIU
http://www.680news.com/2016/08/24/black-lives-matter-protest-death-of-abdirahman-abdi-outside-siu/
The demonstration began at 5090 Commerce Blvd. in Mississauga round 7 a.m. on Wednesday.

Later Wednesday, Black Lives Matter will hold rallies across the country, including in Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton, Hamilton, Winnipeg, Kitchener, Thunder Bay, and Sudbury.

List of demands from Black Lives Matter

1. Charges to be laid against Ottawa police officers David Weir and Daniel Montison.
 2. The public release of the full Special Investigations Unit report into the killing of Abdirahman Abdi
 3. The collection, and release of any and all race-based data by the Special Investigations Unit.
 4. The Attorney General Yasir Naqvi to mandate implementation of the recommendations of the Iacobucci Report on Police Encounters with People in Crisis across the province.
 5. Attorney General Yasir Naqvi to undertake a similar expanded investigation into police encounters with people living with disabilities, including autism and other cognitive disabilities.
 6. An Investigation, by the Ministry of Health and Long Term Care, led by Minister Eric Hoskins, into the extent to which the Ottawa Hospital and Ottawa paramedics colluded with Ottawa police to withhold information from the family of Abdirahman Abdi and to mislead the public about his death.
 7. The Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons to strip the license of the health practitioner(s) who authorized the withholding of information regarding Abdirahman Abdi.
 8. The Ottawa Hospital to confirm that they will end any practices in which there is collaboration with police or the Special Investigations Unit to withhold information from the families/next of kin and the public
 9. Counselling and support services (both formal and community-developed) for family and community members who witnessed and were impacted by the killing of Abdirahman Abdi.

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« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2016, 12:11:31 »
Seriously, go suck and egg!

"1. Charges to be laid against Ottawa police officers David Weir and Daniel Montison."

How about you wait for the god damn SIU investigation and see if charges are even worthwhile. We have no info. What if he came at the officers with a knife?

“It’s been 20 years of business as usual at the SIU. And in those 20 years, the SIU has protected police in over 95 per cent of the cases it investigates,”

They weren't "protecting" police. They were investigating an incident and found that the police acted IAW with the law. There weren't charges in 95% of the cases because 95% of the time the police are just doing their jobs!
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« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2016, 12:34:58 »
But  it doesn't matter if he came at them with a knife - police are supposed to be like Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris or Jackie Chan, disarm him in a flurry of fancy moves without getting stabbed in the process.  Police shouldn't even have guns, batons, tasers, mace or any other weapon anymore.  Sacrifice themselves rather than killing someone committing crimes. 

Yes that is sarcasm.

Tired of every time something happens people automatically criticize the police.  Years ago a guy in Nova Scotia (think Halifax area) went at an officer with a long metal rod.  Result was a triple tap by the officer in defence and of course it was the same thing - why did she shoot and why 3 shots.  Shut a few up when I asked if it was them would they have shot?  Everyone of them would have shot until the gun was empty.

I give benefit of the doubt to the police until the information is released showing they were in the wrong.
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« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2016, 12:38:28 »
You'll never convince the ringleaders of this movement. Their minds are firmly made up on what's what.  All Police are bad, evil bastards, with Caucasians not far behind.

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« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2016, 12:52:58 »
Later Wednesday, Black Lives Matter will hold rallies across the country, including in Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton, Hamilton, Winnipeg, Kitchener, Thunder Bay, and Sudbury.
My town didn't make the list;  I guess no particular group is self-proclaimed "special" here.
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« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2016, 13:16:43 »
Police shouldn't even have guns, batons, tasers, mace or any other weapon anymore.  Sacrifice themselves rather than killing someone committing crimes. 

Yes that is sarcasm.

A rolled up newspaper maybe? < sarcasm

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Aug 22, 2016

Researchers develop stun gun that can monitor heart rate, rhythms
http://www.ems1.com/gear-gadgets/articles/118753048-Researchers-develop-stun-gun-that-can-monitor-heart-rate-rhythms/?utm_medium=twitter
TASER weapons' probes were described as “functionally similar” to an EKG

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. — Researchers at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center have successfully tested a modified conducted electrical weapon capable of recording a subject’s heart rate and rhythm while still delivering an incapacitating electrical charge.

If Paramedics ever get them they will no longer need to carry the lifepak in on every call!  :)
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« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2016, 13:29:13 »
A rolled up newspaper maybe? < sarcasm


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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2016, 13:33:08 »
My town didn't make the list;  I guess no particular group is self-proclaimed "special" here.

Fredericton is having one, although at 44,000 soulless socialists, they didn't make the big city list.  They always do stuff like the real capitol cities, just to stay in the capitol city league. 
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2016, 09:43:45 »
Mass shootings in America during the past five years.


A 15 minute film using Police & EMS tapes.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2016, 09:01:45 »
Charlotte, North Carolina.

Not really following events there, because they all seem to have the same pattern.

I do wish however that the media would stop referring to these things as protests. They are in fact riots.

They used to be reported as Race Riots.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2016, 09:20:44 »
An interesting info graphic presentation on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2016, 10:21:58 »
Sadly amazed at people cheering on the spread of kakistocracy.   :not-again:

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2016, 22:05:38 »
Ladies and Gentlemen, this evening's fun and games have begun in Charlotte, N. C. as Paramedics carry people out of the melee.
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« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2016, 22:17:31 »
Ladies and Gentlemen, this evening's fun and games have begun in Charlotte, N. C. as Paramedics carry people out of the melee.

Yup CNN has been interesting even one of the reporters was assaulted.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2016, 18:11:14 »
Sept. 23, 2016
Toronto

A Toronto man was arrested Friday morning after a sawed-off shotgun fell out of his pants while paramedics were attempting put him in an ambulance in Leslieville ( a neighbourhood in Toronto ) on Friday morning, Toronto Police said.
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/09/23/man-arrested-after-shotgun-falls-out-of-pants-in-leslieville.html   
... and, why does this belong in the current thread?  Did the arrested man plan to shoot police?

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2016, 18:43:11 »
... and, why does this belong in the current thread?  Did the arrested man plan to shoot police?

I removed the post, since it obviously bothers you.

Your post will ensure that my post stays in the thread. Thank-you.  :)

If you read the Original Post,

Police, firefighters and paramedics on list of groups with enhanced penalties for crimes against them, as part of backlash against Black Lives Matter movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/black-lives-matter-louisiana-hate-crimes
It adds law enforcement officers, firefighters and emergency paramedics, providing for an increased penalty of five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine for anyone who commits a felony hate crime against them.

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2016, 08:49:49 »
I removed the post, since it obviously bothers you.
As MCG noted correctly, the news story link you used as justification had absolutely no reference to 'Blue Lives Matter.'

Similar to Herbert Marcuse critiquing Marxists by saying "not every problem someone has with his girlfriend is necessarily due to the capitalist mode of production," not every news story is linked to ambulances.
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2016, 09:10:44 »
As MCG noted correctly, the news story link you used as justification had absolutely no reference to 'Blue Lives Matter.'

I removed the post, since it obviously bothers you.

We now return to our regularly scheduled Buttons and Bows and Hats discussions...
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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2016, 19:30:22 »
Hope nobody minds if I put this here...

6 Oct., 2016

Sign of the times: Police Officer chooses to let perp beat her unconscious instead of shooting him.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/
Chicago’s top cop said Thursday one of his officers was seriously beaten at an accident scene because the national focus on police shootings has caused officers to second-guess themselves.

Who would remove blue ribbons, tied to trees, supporting the NYPD? The NYC Parks Department.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/10/man_posts_photos_of_parks_depa.html#incart_river_home_pop


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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2016, 21:06:17 »
The Fergusn effect in LA. Sow the wind....

https://pjmedia.com/blog/latest-fad-in-policing-de-escalation/?singlepage=true

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Latest Fad in Policing: 'De-escalation'
BY JACK DUNPHY OCTOBER 7, 2016 CHAT 67 COMMENTS

Among the challenges faced by today’s police officers is trying to stay abreast of the latest fashions in law enforcement training. The challenge is all the greater when those fashions are dictated by politics, and greater still when adhering to them can get you killed.

Witness the latest fashion in police work: “de-escalation.” This is supposedly a novel concept that encourages officers to be more circumspect in their use of force against resisting suspects, even those who are armed with weapons. “Slow it down,” begins a recent Los Angeles Times story on the topic. “Police haven’t always been trained to think that way. They’re supposed to take immediate control of a situation, resolve the problem and move on to the next call. There are always more calls.”

The story goes on to cite last week’s killing of Alfred Olongo by a police officer in El Cajon, Calif., a suburb of San Diego. The shooting engendered several days of protests in the area, some of them violent. The clear implication of the story is that if police had but employed these de-escalation tactics with Olongo, the use of deadly force might have been averted.

If only it were that simple. Consider the options available to the officer who shot Olongo. He responded to a radio call from Olongo’s sister, who reported that the man was having some sort of mental or emotional breakdown. The officer encountered Olongo in the parking lot of a crowded strip mall, where any number of people were exposed to danger if Olongo had been armed and intent on harming someone. The officer’s first duty was to protect these innocent people, not to show deference to whatever Olongo’s mental or emotional troubles might have been.

When confronted by this lone officer, Olongo defied orders to remove his right hand from his pants pocket, a glaring red flag to any police officer. When a second officer arrived, Olongo at last removed his hand from his pocket, but did so while holding what turned out to be a metallic “vaping” device. He immediately took what can only be described as a shooting stance and pointed the device directly at the first officer, who, as anyone should have expected, shot him.

And to those who suggest some sort of de-escalation tactic should have been employed here, a question: What would you have the officer do in that moment? “Gosh,” he might say to himself, “I wonder if that thing he’s aiming at me really is a gun. I don’t want to get in trouble, so maybe I should wait for him to squeeze off a round or two before I shoot him.” Yes, it’s true that Olongo did not have a gun, but it’s also undeniable that, for reasons we will never know, his behavior in those moments before he was shot was intended to convey the impression that he did. And remember, the legal standard for judging a police officer’s use of deadly force is not whether the suspect was in fact armed, it is whether the officer had an objectively reasonable belief that the suspect presented an imminent threat of death or serious injury to the officer or to someone else. Any cop who says he wouldn’t have shot Olongo in that instant is either a liar or a fool.

Where in this scenario was the opportunity to “slow it down,” as the L.A. Times story urges? Yes, the officer might have waited for his backup to arrive before confronting Olongo. Indeed, he might have waited for two or three more officers, perhaps with each of them equipped with some type of less-lethal device. But if in those added minutes Olongo had continued to roam the area and harmed some unsuspecting passerby, some of the same people who today are calling the officer a “murderer” would be faulting him for placing his own safety over that of the public. Certainly there are times when officers have the opportunity to proceed more deliberately, but this was not one of them.

And look at what happened recently in Kingman, Ariz., where a SWAT team served a search warrant looking for a stolen gun. In footage captured by an officer’s body camera, we see a man in the house approach the front door while holding a handgun at his side. Incredibly, he refuses to drop it even while facing several officers with guns pointed at him. Even more incredibly, he managed to raise the weapon and shoot two officers before he was shot and killed. Note that in the moments before the shooting there was a call for an officer with a Taser to approach, an attempt at de-escalation that resulted in two officers being shot.

The unwarranted criticism heaped on the police over recent shootings reflects the increasingly common (but ignorant) belief that anytime an officer uses force on someone, it can only be because the officer was untrained in more peaceful means of resolving the situation or unwilling to use them. This is true regardless of the race of the various parties, but of course it is especially so when the person harmed by the police is black. In such instances, regardless of any genuine danger faced by the officer, it will be said he resorted to his firearm rather than something less lethal because of his “implicit bias,” from which no one can ever be cured.

The Times article makes the bold assertion that “de-escalation techniques can be especially useful while dealing with people who are mentally ill or emotionally disturbed, according to experts.” The alert reader will ask himself who these so-called experts are and examine their qualifications. One of the experts quoted is Chuck Wexler, the executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, which claims on its website that it is “a police research and policy organization and a provider of management services, technical assistance, and executive-level education to support law enforcement agencies.”

Note the organization’s title and its stated purpose, particularly their emphasis on police “executives.” It is commonly believed that the higher the rank attained by one of these police executives, the more expertise he has acquired. Police officers know that in most cases the exact opposite is true, especially as it applies to violent confrontations with criminals in the streets. People rise to executive positions within a police department by studiously avoiding these confrontations. Then, after reaching the safety afforded by higher rank, they take pride in proclaiming their expertise on matters in which they have no practical experience.

Taking this a giant, aggravating step further, the Los Angeles Police Department is headed by a five-member commission of political appointees charged with setting department policy and making final determinations on whether an officer’s use of deadly force was proper. Despite these responsibilities, there is no expectation that any commissioner have even minimal experience or training that might inform his decisions. The commissioners are selected so as to conform with some unwritten “diversity” checklist, with the result that there is always at least one black member, one Hispanic, one female, one gay, and what have you. The politics of Los Angeles being what they are, the current members are all left-leaning, some of them more so than others.

And lately, the commission has been emphasizing de-escalation in its opinions on some police shootings. A recent decision from the commission brings into stark clarity this lack of real-world experience. Last September, two uniformed LAPD officers were dispatched to a report of a woman creating a disturbance while armed with a knife. The officers drove to the location of the call, parked some 70 feet away from the woman, and got out of their car to investigate. The events that followed were captured on a nearby security camera, the video from which is available at this Los Angeles Times story. The video shows the woman advancing quickly on the officers, both of whom draw their pistols. There is no sound accompanying the video, but videos from the officers’ body-worn cameras (which were not made public) showed that the woman was ordered to drop the knife at least six times.

When the woman continued to advance while holding the knife, both officers fired. She was between four and five feet away from one officer and about ten feet from the other when she was struck by the gunfire and fell to the ground. She was taken to a hospital but died from her wounds.

To anyone with even a modest amount of police experience, this was clearly a justified shooting. The officers parked and exited their car a safe distance away from the suspect, who made the decision to close that distance quickly while holding a knife in an aggressive manner. When the woman ignored repeated commands to drop the knife, less-lethal means of subduing her, such as a Taser or pepper spray, were not practical alternatives to deadly force. Yes, it is unfortunate that the woman died, but it would have been no less unfortunate if she had stabbed one or both of the officers because they were reluctant to defend themselves as the law allows and common sense demands.

In a decision that has left LAPD officers agog, the commission ruled that the officer who was closest to the woman was “out of policy” when he shot her. Their rationale for this finding (if one can label it as such) is that the officer placed himself in a “vulnerable position.” The commission further reasoned that “Given the nature of the Subject’s advance, it should have been apparent to Officer C that his positioning was quickly becoming disadvantageous and that redeployment was warranted.”

In other words, the commissioners would have preferred that the officer run away. The commission’s full report on the incident can be found here, but don’t read it in the expectation of finding any trace of wisdom within.

Heather Mac Donald wrote recently in City Journal of the horrifying wave of violence sweeping across some neighborhoods in Chicago, and she attributes it (credibly, in my opinion) to the “Ferguson effect” and the “onslaught of criticism from the Black Lives Matter movement and its political and media enablers.” Among those enablers, lest we forget, is President Obama, who rarely passes on an opportunity to offer his uninformed opinions on what police officers should or should not have done while dealing with a resisting suspect.

Residents of other cities can be grateful their own towns have not yet descended to the dystopian depths of Chicago, but if they allow their police forces to become as enfeebled as Chicago’s has become, and as Los Angeles’s is fast becoming, there is no reason to believe they should expect different results.
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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2016, 17:40:12 »
Hope nobody minds if I put this here.

NYPD Police Officer gets $2.00 dollars worth of emotional advice from a neighborhood brain specialist.  :)
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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2016, 17:11:49 »
Rep. William O’Brien to intro bill calling for the death penalty for those who assassinate first responders.
http://www.valleybreeze.com/2016-12-10/north-providence/o-brien-wants-death-penalty-those-who-assassinate-first-responders#.WE3OfekzV9B
"...instituting the death penalty for anyone convicted of targeted assassinations of the state’s first responders, such as police officers, firefighters, or EMTs."

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Re: Blue Lives Matter Act
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2017, 19:25:35 »
NYS Senate Bill S1114
2017-2018 Legislative Session
Designates offenses against law enforcement officers, firefighters and emergency medical services personnel as hate crimes.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S1114