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RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« on: August 21, 2016, 12:11:25 »
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New Zealand Issues RFI for New Transport, Surveillance Aircraft
By: Nick Lee-Frampton, August 19, 2016

New Zealand’s Ministry of Defence issued a request for information Aug. 18  for aircraft to ensure continued air mobility and air surveillance operations beyond 2020.

Currently the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) relies on a fleet of five Lockheed C-130H Hercules and two Boeing 757-200 Combi aircraft for air transport and six Lockheed P-3K2 Orions for air surveillance.

The first Hercules replacement is to be delivered by February 2020 to allow initial operational capability to be declared in February 2021, with full operational capability achieved by February 2024.

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 12:15:25 »
It'll be interesting to see what the Kiwis replace their P-3K2s with.
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 12:22:19 »
So, do they replace the P3 with the P8 and the 757s with 767s, or do they replace the Hercs wih Jercs and the P3s with SC-130J Sea Hercs?

Is there any option for one airframe to do all three jobs?
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 11:46:02 »
...... replace their P-3K2s with.
Nothing bigger or better than a C-295 with very limited kit.

Ho hum.

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 14:09:45 »
I thought New Zealand did not have an Air Force. I guess you can't believe everything you see on the internet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 19:12:29 »
I thought New Zealand did not have an Air Force. I guess you can't believe everything you see on the internet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs

Well, they did get rid of their strike capability with the retirement of their A-4s.  So there's that.
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 19:15:08 »
I thought New Zealand did not have an Air Force. I guess you can't believe everything you see on the internet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 16:09:57 »
Re MPA: either, as stated, a C-295 or a Dash-8.

Just been reliably advised to that effect, and wotnot.

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 16:42:20 »
Dash 8 MPA.  I'd buy 'surveillance', but Patrol...not so much.
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2016, 16:06:26 »
Agreed.

Alas I can't post the exact comments said to me about this: the language here is family-friendly, and so on..........


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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2017, 20:08:44 »
Official Bolt From The Blue TM

Kiwi govt has asked US about buying four P-8s.

Talking about being knocked over by a feather...... :o


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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2017, 20:35:30 »
And Norway...and...

No doubt, in 15 - 20 years the GoC will invent some  replacement for the CP-140...modelled after the Cyclone procurement and implementation model.  By the time we get it, we'll be behind the 8 ball again.  For now, we'll keep putting $5000 worth of stereo equipment in a 1980 Honda Civic.   ;D
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2017, 21:05:01 »


  For now, we'll keep putting $5000 worth of stereo equipment in a 1980 Honda Civic.   ;D

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2017, 21:13:30 »
That's what I'll say as people walk by us on the ramp in 5-10 years walking towards their



*modern aircraft*. 
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2017, 05:51:23 »
The RNZAF is taking lateral transfers!  Air Warefare Specialists at the Sgt/FSgt rank.

I recently read an article from our General on the future of Canada's MPA fleet.  He came out anti-P8, stating one aircraft can't do everything and perhaps a mixed fleet might be better (mixed fleet = $$$) He mentioned he'd like to throw money at Bombardier so they can turn the C-Series into an MPA..  Which would be nearly identical to a P-8, only more expensive.

With Australia, India, New Zealand, U.K., and Norway all picking up the P-8 they are making a statement.  It is the best MPA out there.  I fully expected NZ to go the Q400 route or something similar, but they didn't.  If any military is cheaper than Canada it's New Zealand, however they are smart with their money, unlike ourselves.

If I could (big move for a family) I'd be starting my application to the RNZAF today, as I am fairly certain I'd have no issues landing a job.

Good on them.


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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2017, 10:05:49 »
I recently read an article from our General on the future of Canada's MPA fleet.  He came out anti-P8, stating one aircraft can't do everything and perhaps a mixed fleet might be better (mixed fleet = $$$) He mentioned he'd like to throw money at Bombardier so they can turn the C-Series into an MPA..  Which would be nearly identical to a P-8, only more expensive.


Welcome to the world of Canadian major naval acquisition programs.  [:D

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2017, 10:29:56 »
New Zealand was one of those countries who appeared to not be willing to throw money at the P-8..

https://assets.skiesmag.com/digital/2017/CSV7I2/files/20.html

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2017, 15:20:28 »
I recently read an article from our General on the future of Canada's MPA fleet.  He came out anti-P8, stating one aircraft can't do everything and perhaps a mixed fleet might be better (mixed fleet = $$$) He mentioned he'd like to throw money at Bombardier so they can turn the C-Series into an MPA..  Which would be nearly identical to a P-8, only more expensive.

Which article is that?

With the interoperability between Australia and NZ, I would have been surprised if NZ *didn't* choose whatever Australia chose in the end. 
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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2017, 16:28:30 »
One other aspect of this is that the P8/MRPA is probably one of the most versatile platforms in any nations inventory.

It can be lethal but it doesn't have to be.
It can patrol domestically.
It can deploy internationally.
It can contribute to peace support missions, OGD missions, environmental missions, disaster relief and it can (if somebody gets round to buying the right stores) remove targets on the water, under the water and on shore.

I am sure that New Zealand with its history of buying ferries and patrol boats for the RNZN (and I say that in a friendly spirit) with a focus on local needs gets that.   

There is an argument to be made that money spent on MRPAs would be better utilized than money spent on fighters in Canada.....   >:D

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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2017, 16:36:31 »
There was significant chatter about the RNZAF getting the C-295 or Q series MPA a few years ago.

As for General Hood.  My impression from the skiesmag article is that he's all for a Canadian made solution...


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Re: RNZAF issues RFI for new transport, surveillance aircraft
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2017, 16:47:28 »
There was significant chatter about the RNZAF getting the C-295 or Q series MPA a few years ago.

As for General Hood.  My impression from the skiesmag article is that he's all for a Canadian made solution...

As we thought the Cyclone program was bad...

I'd bet the farm that a big announcement will be made come election time in an attempt to win votes. Oh well, I'll long be retired by the time the next LRP/MPA shows up.