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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #525 on: September 16, 2020, 15:57:25 »
It would mean Trump’s instincts on McCain’s political positions were right. 

He was talking about a man's war record. What does that have to do with politics?

"He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."


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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #526 on: September 16, 2020, 15:59:14 »
Scientific American, the magazine.  Are you missing something or am I?

Sorry edited. 

Yeah, science.  Silly magic stuff that Trump denies.  Like I said, it has never once endorsed a candidate ever in 175 years.  So yeah, unlikely source.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #527 on: September 16, 2020, 16:08:25 »
Sorry edited. 

Yeah, science.  Silly magic stuff that Trump denies.  Like I said, it has never once endorsed a candidate ever in 175 years.  So yeah, unlikely source.

We both know that’s not true, Trump denying science.  But if he does, maybe we’ll see an executive order making science a federal crime.

Journalists at a magazine endorsing a Dem.  Not shocking. 

See there are two sides to this story: Trump denies science so scientific American endorsed Biden, or journalists at a magazine endorse Biden over fake news Trump.  How you take it all depends on which you think is more likely. 

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #528 on: September 16, 2020, 16:11:25 »
He was talking about a man's war record. What does that have to do with politics?

"He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

No.  He was trying to disparage McCain in an infantile way and we all know Trump is often terrible with his words.  Trump’s record on his support for the military speaks for itself which is why the pathetic Atlantic article has died. 

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #529 on: September 16, 2020, 16:13:23 »
You are correct.  The Woodward tapes clearly showed he accepted the science.  His words and his actions however show otherwise. 



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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #530 on: September 16, 2020, 16:14:57 »
He was trying to disparage McCain in an infantile way and we all know Trump is often terrible with his words. 

I won't disagree with the highlighted word.

But, he knew exactly what he was saying.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #531 on: September 16, 2020, 16:18:57 »
I won't disagree with the highlighted word.

But, he knew exactly what he was saying.

Yep.  And using the military as props does not mean he supports them.  They are a means to an end for him.

Nobody should kid themselves about that.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #532 on: September 16, 2020, 16:25:07 »
What ever floats your boat.

You can pay attention to the record, actions and results, or you can pick fly crap out of pepper on Trump and continue to be heavily swayed by his opposition’s statements.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #533 on: September 16, 2020, 16:25:19 »
I don't think McCain was a hero, but rather a survivor. He did what he had too to survive . The North Vietnamese were not kind hearted jailors. McCain and Trump were bitter enemies never to be reconciled.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #534 on: September 16, 2020, 16:32:18 »
I don't think McCain was a hero, but rather a survivor.

I think it took great courage to fly 23 bombing missions over North Vietnam.

He knew if he wasn't killed on the mission, that he faced years as a POW.

His numerous military decorations and awards include the Silver Star, two Legion of Merits, Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Star Medals, two Purple Hearts, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals, and the Prisoner of War Medal.



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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #535 on: September 16, 2020, 16:36:37 »
What ever floats your boat.

You can pay attention to the record, actions and results, or you can pick fly crap out of pepper on Trump and continue to be heavily swayed by his opposition’s statements.

Or being swayed by his apologists.

All I can do is hear what he actually says and the actions he takes (or doesn’t).  The last 7-8 months has shown me enough to see his results and actions and his record.  It’s not all bad but it does not outweigh the catastrophe that is the US right now under his watch. 
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #536 on: September 16, 2020, 16:58:48 »
Curious, what has he done or not done exactly that makes you against?  Assume you’d vote for Biden if you were eligible to vote?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #538 on: September 16, 2020, 18:59:48 »
Thank you for your insightful contributions to these discussions.

As opposed to your avoidance of contributing any insight, to wit:

Figure it out.

Wherein you previously stated that "actual indicators" showed that 'polls and pundits' were wrong, as in... 

No.  Lots and lots of polls and pundits said Hillary would win.  Actual indicators showed another result.

Then go on to refer to a pundit (Prof. Norpoth) opining about how the NH Primary proves Trump will win in a landslide, when you dismissed pundits (and polls) earlier.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/model-predicted-5-last-6-presidential-elections-says-trump-will-win-2020

And there is this.  Landslide.

So does Norpoth's punditting count, or doesn't it? ???

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #539 on: September 16, 2020, 19:41:19 »
For you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw
If any conservatives watch it, just don't ask me for 18 minutes of your life back.

Hey Don

That was a great video. Of course, I prefer the ying/yang approach compared to the "divisions" (my take) he showed.

Thanks

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #540 on: September 16, 2020, 20:09:00 »
Some NeverTrumpers may not like this


235 retired military leaders publicly endorse Trump in open letter – here it is

SEPTEMBER 15, 2020 LAURA WIDENER

In a new joint letter released Monday, 235 senior military leaders officially endorsed President Donald Trump’s reelection.

“The 2020 election affords the American people an urgently needed opportunity to affirm their devotion to the Constitution of the United States and to the American way of life. As senior leaders of America’s military, we took an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. At present, our country is now confronted with enemies here and abroad, as well as a once in a century pandemic,” the letter says. “As retired military officers, we believe that Donald J. Trump has been tested as few other presidents have and is the proven leader to confront these dangers.”

The letter, which is signed by eight four-star generals/admirals, 42 three-star generals/admirals, goes on to call the 2020 presidential election the most important since the United States’ inception. It names off threats such as socialism and Marxism, and defense spending cuts as some of the most detrimental to Americans’ security and way of life.

“The Democrats’ opposition to border security, their pledge to return to the disastrous Iran nuclear deal, their antagonism towards the police and planned cuts to military spending will leave the United States more vulnerable to foreign enemies,” the letter says.

“The proposed defense cuts by the Democrats will, in our professional judgment, create a potentially perilous situation for the United States during a time of great external and internal threats to our Nation,” the letter adds.

Read the article at American Military News

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #541 on: September 16, 2020, 21:36:32 »
If the only open sources for you on this topic are polls and pundit commentary, that explains a lot.


That wasn’t called for.  Let me help with a couple of examples instead:

NY Police union endorsed Trump after 40 yrs supporting the DNC.

Six Dem mayors in Minnesota endorse Trump.

Tons of anecdotal evidence dems are switching sides (walk away movement, etc)

COVID notwithstanding Trumps record on the economy and jobs was great and will be again.  “It’s the economy, stupid!”

Trump and peace deals. This is enormous.

No new wars.  This is enormous.

All of the “impossible” like embassy to Jerusalem, troop withdraw didn’t result in all Kurds dead, etc

Trump and record low unemployment in the black community.

Jobs vs mobs

Biden 47 yrs in office

Harris left primaries at about 2% support

You can go on and on and on. But if you want to ignore all that stuff and focus on a CNN talking head with a paid by CNN poll, go right ahead.

Thanks.  But none of that are indicators of a landslide.  I’m not even arguing that Biden is going to win,  I’m not sure he will.  None of what you listed are indicators of losing or winning.  You listed accomplishments (real or not) or support. 

The polls are tightening up.  With Biden with a lead that looks to be shrinking. Not abnormal going into a race but...being behind as an incumbent is not normally a good sign.

Now if you don’t like polls (Poll aggregates are actually better because they actually rate poll accuracy and bias) as an indicator, the go pay attention to what the betting houses are showing as odds and who is favoured.  THAT is likely a better indicator.  Nothing there either suggests a landslide. But it shows a much closer race than the polls are showing with Biden slightly ahead. 

One needs to know what is a landslide in US Elections.  Just google it.  Wikipedia explains it nicely.  Last one was Reagan I believe in the eighties.  Right now Trump does not have the numbers at this time  to get one.  He didn’t get one against Clinton so it’s doubtful he’ll get one here.

All indicators actually point to a close race that will likely be contested.  Why?

Because both candidate have actually indicated their intent to contest a close election result.

Not a landslide.  Not even close at this time.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #542 on: September 17, 2020, 12:23:31 »
One of you will be proven right on 4 Nov.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #543 on: September 17, 2020, 13:08:32 »
Precisely.  If anything, it will be a very interesting election.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #544 on: September 17, 2020, 14:29:57 »
Some NeverTrumpers may not like this


235 retired military leaders publicly endorse Trump in open letter – here it is

SEPTEMBER 15, 2020 LAURA WIDENER

In a new joint letter released Monday, 235 senior military leaders officially endorsed President Donald Trump’s reelection.

“The 2020 election affords the American people an urgently needed opportunity to affirm their devotion to the Constitution of the United States and to the American way of life. As senior leaders of America’s military, we took an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. At present, our country is now confronted with enemies here and abroad, as well as a once in a century pandemic,” the letter says. “As retired military officers, we believe that Donald J. Trump has been tested as few other presidents have and is the proven leader to confront these dangers.”

The letter, which is signed by eight four-star generals/admirals, 42 three-star generals/admirals, goes on to call the 2020 presidential election the most important since the United States’ inception. It names off threats such as socialism and Marxism, and defense spending cuts as some of the most detrimental to Americans’ security and way of life.

“The Democrats’ opposition to border security, their pledge to return to the disastrous Iran nuclear deal, their antagonism towards the police and planned cuts to military spending will leave the United States more vulnerable to foreign enemies,” the letter says.

“The proposed defense cuts by the Democrats will, in our professional judgment, create a potentially perilous situation for the United States during a time of great external and internal threats to our Nation,” the letter adds.

Read the article at American Military News

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Shawn, is it fair to assume that you are in tune with the notion that the Iran nuclear deal was disasterous?

I bring the question up because I'm not in agreement with that idea at all. My opinion is that it was a deal that was working very well, albeit just holding everything in limbo for a long period of time. Also, the fact that the other parties to the agreement were happy with the deal and were being continuously reassured that Iran was holding to the agreement and was respectful of it's terms.

I think it was only intolerable to America because America's goal is war with Iran in order to settle all the ME's problems at once. And now, the situation hasn't really changed for the better, even though I have to wonder if it's changed for the worst. What I mean is, it's not a foregone conclusion that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, but now there's no way of being able to monitor the situation to determine if they are or not.

And so time passes and the issue isn't being taken on and settled! So the possibilities?

Iran all of a sudden pops up with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them a few hundred miles to Israel at least?

or

War with Iran to settle the issue once and for all?

The war option is plausible for America if it is able to enlist the support of the rest of the parties to the agreement, but probably not so plausible if the other parties balk. And also, there's little doubt that if there's a US war on Iran then Israel is toast.

Do you have any suggestions for a solution? I think the US needs to get back in the deal with Iran and the only way that could have any remote possibility of happening would be with Biden. No way Trump would ever do it!

Your thoughts?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #545 on: September 20, 2020, 09:27:53 »
I still think Tulsi Gabbard would have been an excellent choice as Trumps VP, not sure if that is allowed or how that would work.  The Dems would have had a far better chance of winning if she were the nominee.

Here she is speaking sense and doing something about it.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/democrat-tulsi-gabbard-says-voter-fraud-serious-threat-seeks-outlaw


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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #546 on: September 20, 2020, 09:46:08 »
I still think Tulsi Gabbard would have been an excellent choice as Trumps VP, not sure if that is allowed or how that would work.  The Dems would have had a far better chance of winning if she were the nominee.

Steve Bannon likes her too.

Calls her, "Queen of the Incels"
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk005yrd8vu1Y5CSqTplEFRLumhwgSQ%3A1600609078373&ei=NltnX6CoFq6HggfMgY9g&q=%22steve+bannon%22+%22queen+of+the+incels%22+&oq=%22steve+bannon%22+%22queen+of+the+incels%22+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCCMQrgIQJ1CtO1itRmDxV2gAcAB4AIABpgGIAcMFkgEDMC42mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwigm6m87ffrAhWug-AKHczAAwwQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#spf=1600609094661

“He loves Tulsi Gabbard. Loves her,” the Hill newspaper quoted a Bannon associate as saying after Bannon arranged for Gabbard to meet Trump following the November 2016 election."

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What We Know About Tulsi Gabbard’s Base
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-tulsi-gabbards-base/

So what do we know about Gabbard’s base? For one thing, it’s overwhelmingly male —according to The Economist’s polling with YouGov, her support among men is in the mid-single digits, while her support among women is practically nonexistent.

Her supporters, for instance, are more likely to have backed President Trump in 2016, hold conservative views or identify as Republican compared to voters backing the other candidates.

Steve, Kellyanne and Tulsi.



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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #547 on: September 20, 2020, 11:56:11 »
Nikki Haley would have been far better. 

If she was on the ticket this time, polling numbers might be tighter than they are now.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #548 on: September 20, 2020, 12:16:13 »
Nikki Haley would have been far better. 

If she was on the ticket this time, polling numbers might be tighter than they are now.

Perhaps considered "changing horses mid-stream" might disappoint some voters?

Who knows?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #549 on: September 20, 2020, 12:20:44 »
Some pundits actually said that the POTUS considered it but was convinced not to for that reason.

Pence is a lot of thing but he is loyal. 
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