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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #700 on: October 07, 2020, 22:46:14 »
Win or lose, we are going to be subjected to tweets from Trump and news reports about him for as long as he's alive.


Losing . . .  All that will do is position Trump to start campaigning for 2024.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #701 on: October 07, 2020, 22:52:56 »
Losing . . .  All that will do is position IvankaTrump to start campaigning for 2024.

FTFY

I wonder what the fly thought.

Apparently it now has COVID...and only one day old
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #702 on: October 07, 2020, 22:56:14 »
I couldn’t stop looking at the fly lol
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #703 on: October 07, 2020, 22:57:26 »
I couldn’t stop looking at the fly lol

It was the most animated thing on that side of the screen
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #704 on: October 07, 2020, 23:06:35 »
It was the most animated thing on that side of the screen

The internet is lighting up about.

Best so far is “Black Flies Matter”
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #705 on: October 07, 2020, 23:10:48 »
Losing . . .  All that will do is position Trump to start campaigning for 2024.

No longer a sitting president?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #706 on: October 10, 2020, 15:17:56 »
Putin has made it clear that he would be willing to work with whomever the American people vote for in November. However, it seems that he has his eyes on Biden.


Putin Says He Wants to Work With Biden, Claims 'Shared Values' Between Democrats and Communism
BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 10/8/20 AT 10:05 AM EDT

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to mark a positive resemblance between Democratic presidential candidate, former Vice President Joe Biden, and Soviet communists in a wide-ranging interview with the Rossiya TV channel, released Wednesday as the 2020 vice presidential candidates prepared to debate.

The president said the Kremlin would be open to working with whoever sits in the Oval Office in 2021, despite U.S. intelligence reports indicating that Russia is trying to undermine Biden in the same way it did Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016.

But Putin linked Biden to communist ideology during the interview. While Putin—a former party member, KGB colonel and intelligence operative—made the comparison in positive terms, his comment lines up with GOP talking points about the Biden-Kamala Harris ticket. Trump and his allies have tried to frame their opponents proposing a far-left, extremist platform dictated by the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

"The Democratic Party is traditionally closer to the so-called liberal values, closer to social democratic ideas," Putin said. "And it was from the social democratic environment that the Communist Party evolved."



Putin also reminisced on the Soviet Union's rhetorical support for African-American civil rights struggle. American racial inequality will play a central role in the coming election. Trump has been widely criticized for dismissing the concerns of Black voters and tacitly endorsing violent white supremacist groups.



Trump and his allies have tried to characterize the Black Lives Matter movement, for example, as an extremist and even terrorist organization.

Putin said Black Americans "constitute a stable electorate" in favor of the Democrats. "The Soviet Union also supported the African Americans' movement for their legitimate rights," he said.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #707 on: October 10, 2020, 15:52:18 »
Damning by faint praise?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #708 on: October 10, 2020, 17:19:18 »
It's no longer enough for Putin to try to put the boots to the Democrats via troll farms? Now he's praising them for being Communists?

The man must be really desperate to want Trump to win again.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #709 on: October 10, 2020, 17:20:45 »
It's no longer enough for Putin to try to put the boots to the Democrats via troll farms? Now he's praising them for being Communists?

The man must be really desperate to want Trump to win again.

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His internal organisations may be telling him something if he’s going to those lengths.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #711 on: October 10, 2020, 20:40:17 »
Excellent illustration of the ridiculousness of association fallacies.  The Taliban wants the US out of Afghanistan.  Some Americans want the US out of Afghanistan.  But that does not make either party responsible in any way for the behaviour of the other, nor does it diminish the value and desirability of getting the US out of Afghanistan.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #712 on: October 10, 2020, 20:51:16 »

Some widening again in the national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

The real key is to watch the state polls where Trump might be able to pull an upset but even in some of those he has a wider gap to close than he did against Clinton.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #713 on: October 10, 2020, 22:05:26 »
Trump up by 3 in Florida - a must win state. He won Pennsylvania last time and could win it again with Biden's talk of banning fracking and the Green New Deal.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #714 on: October 11, 2020, 12:41:34 »
Trump up by 3 in Florida - a must win state. He won Pennsylvania last time and could win it again with Biden's talk of banning fracking and the Green New Deal.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-ban-fracking/

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #715 on: October 11, 2020, 13:58:14 »
Trump up by 3 in Florida - a must win state. He won Pennsylvania last time and could win it again with Biden's talk of banning fracking and the Green New Deal.

A few US friends of mine have said that travelling a couple of thousand miles in various US States recently, they have seen almost no Biden signs, but lots of Trump signs. Biden may be struggling outside of Dem strongholds.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #716 on: October 11, 2020, 14:03:49 »
A few US friends of mine have said that travelling a couple of thousand miles in various US States recently, they have seen almost no Biden signs, but lots of Trump signs. Biden may be struggling outside of Dem strongholds.

538 and 338 have Biden up 3+/- in Florida and 6+/- in Pennsylvania

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #717 on: October 11, 2020, 14:04:59 »
A few US friends of mine have said that travelling a couple of thousand miles in various US States recently, they have seen almost no Biden signs, but lots of Trump signs. Biden may be struggling outside of Dem strongholds.

Could it be that they don't want to advertise?  If I was in the US, I wouldn't want a sign on my property given the divisiveness of this election. 
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #720 on: October 11, 2020, 17:41:41 »
Never say never

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/11/politics/democrats-stressed-election/index.html

I think that's a pretty reasonable response. If Biden wins, I think they will be near panicking right up until he is sworn in.

The GOP governors and state politicians are pretty busy doing all kinds of sneaky things to actively make it hard/impossible for people to vote, and if it wasn't the US there might be a push for foreign observers to help keep the voting fair. It's not even like they are being subtle; deliberately sabotaging the USPS when they know a lot of people are trying to vote by mail was kind of mindblowing in it's naked grasping at power. Even Trump's lapdogs are having a hard time defending that kind of shenanigans. If Trump wins fair and square, that's one thing, but they are now doing banana republic kind of things to rig the voting, and can see the country burning as a result if he grabs some states where they are actively suppressing the black vote and other Democratic friendly demographics.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #721 on: October 11, 2020, 18:47:14 »
>they have seen almost no Biden signs, but lots of Trump signs

Republicans were telling themselves comforting anecdotal tales of sign-dominance in 2012.  Not a reliable marker.
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« Reply #722 on: October 11, 2020, 18:49:44 »
>The GOP governors and state politicians are pretty busy doing all kinds of sneaky things to actively make it hard/impossible for people to vote

What things, besides openly talking about the constitutionally and legally valid processes for resolving highly unusual indeterminate election outcomes?

>deliberately sabotaging the USPS

Proof?  I'm already familiar with the not-nefarious plans to reform the USPS that started before the election, so don't bother citing any of those.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #723 on: October 13, 2020, 11:13:54 »
California Republican officials have erected their own unofficial and unauthorized ballot drop boxes, trying to confuse some people to drop their ballots there instead of the ones from the state election officials:

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California officials clash with state Republican Party over ballot drop boxes

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #724 on: October 13, 2020, 11:38:02 »
Meanwhile in Texas:

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Texas can limit absentee ballot drop-off spots to one per county, a federal appeals court says, reversing a lower court's ruling from days ago. Democrats say Gov. Greg Abbott's order could suppress voters; the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit disagrees, saying, "one strains to see how it burdens voting at all."

The appeals court says District Judge Robert Pitman – who on Friday blocked the Texas plan to limit counties to one drop-off location – had "myopically" focused on voter restrictions in Abbott's Oct. 1 proclamation.

The court issued its opinion late Monday, solidifying a temporary stay it placed on Pitman's order over the weekend. It concludes that Texas Secretary of State Ruth Hughs is likely to prevail on appeal in defending election rules changes.

Even with the drop-off limit, Texas voters have many options to cast their ballots, the court says. It notes that Abbott's emergency orders have expanded the state's early voting period by six days: Tuesday marks the first day of in-person early voting in Texas. The orders also give 40 days to hand-deliver absentee ballots — an option, the court notes, that is normally available only on election day.

"These methods for remote voting outstrip what Texas law previously permitted in a pre-COVID world," the court says. "The October 1 Proclamation abridges no one's right to vote."

The governor has said he made the change to ensure ballot security. Texas Republicans — and President Trump — have said that expanding mail-in voting could increase the risk of voter fraud. There is no data to support that claim.

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