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JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« on: November 16, 2016, 11:43:52 »
Hi everyone,

I have some questions regarding the recruiting process for a DEO Legal Officer (Reserve) that I am hoping someone can address:

1. I understand that the final determination is made by the JAG panel following an interview in Ottawa, Ontario.  What types of questions are asked in this interview?  How difficult/intense is it? Any tips on preparing for it, should my application get that far?

2. What is the commitment like for a Reserve Legal Officer?  I read on another thread that a 7 year commitment is expected from a Regular Force Legal Officer. Is that true for Reserve Legal Officers as well?

3. What type of work is done by military lawyers? Is it very litigation heavy?

4. I understand that the BMOQ for Reserve Legal Officers is done over the course of 5-6 weekends.  When in the course of a calendar year do these usually start?

Thank you in advance!!!

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 13:22:09 »
Good Day,

The only thing I can comment on is your 2nd question.

Reservists are enrolled for an Indefinite Period of Service to CRA 60.  What that means is that you can continue to work with the Reserves until you are 60 years old.  You can release (with notice) anytime between when you enroll and when you turn 60.

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 14:21:33 »
Thank you for your answer Buck_HRA!

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 19:26:20 »
I retired from JAG in 2009 so there might be some minor changes but I'll have a go at it.

1. The board usually sits within the region where the position needs to be filled. So if you are applying for a vacancy in Vancouver the board would interview candidates there.

The board will review your application and CV and then ask a number of questions in order to determine your level of legal experience, your level of any prior military experience, your level of participation in community activities, your second language capabilities (if any), your ability to attend training courses, the ability (time available) that you have in providing legal services to the reserve units in your area, your willingness to provide longer term Class B service, your level of physical fitness. Selection is done based on a comparative score of the applicants.

2.  Your commitment time will vary. Your initial two years of service will include completion of the Basic Officer training, Basic Legal Officer training and Intermediate legal officer training. BOT is undertaken in conjunction with other reserve force officers. The easiest for most candidates to undertake is the Army's BOT program. Legal Officer courses are generally computer based or in short one-week increments in Ottawa. Basically you should budget approximately 40 days per year during the first two years. Generally you should budget 30 days in subsequent years. Many reserve legal officers do these at the rate of a 1/2 day evening every week at one or another local armouries and by providing further legal services from their office over the phone. I should note that there were a number of reserve legal officers who would put in 50 to 70 days service per year. The minimum required in order to not become non-effective is 14 days per year but that is entirely too few.

3. There are three types of legal officers. Legal advisors; Prosecutors; and Defending Officers. LegAds advise the chain of command on various legal issues. They do no litigation of any type. The other two prosecute and defend at courts martial. These are separate positions and there are reserve positions around the country for all three. The basic training is the same for each category but subsequently there is professional advancement training that specializes on the category that you are in. It is not impossible, but not easy to move from one category to the other once you have been enrolled in one. Much of this depends on vacancies being available in your region. Manning is generally fairly full and turnover is slow.

4. As I indicated above, the Army Basic officer training is easiest to attend but it is longer than you say because you need to take both the BMQ and then the BMOQ. The frequency and duration of this training varies from region to region and I would contact your local armouries for more information.

If you wish to get more information I would suggest that you contact the AJAG (Assistant Judge Advocate General) office for your region and ask to be put in touch with the Deputy AJAG (that's the reserve force Lieutenant Colonel who supervised the Leg Ads for the region. If you are interest in Pros or Def work they will also give you a contact for the local Regional Prosecutor or Def Csl) I no longer have access to a current JAG phone list but you can get the AJAG's number through any local armoury.

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 09:30:49 »
Thank you very much for your response FJAG!!!

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2016 JAG Application
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 14:15:41 »
Hi everyone,

I recently finalized my JAG application. I've provided my online application, passed by CFAT for a DEO position, and gave the JAG office my updated CV, reference letters, and personal statement.

I was wondering, what next?

The person in charge of my file at the CFRC told me that the JAG office will contact me directly once they have completed my assessment. He also told me that this could take "a couple of months".

So I was wondering:

1. Is there a general timeline for JAG recruitment?
2. How long does it typically take for the JAG office to review a file?
3. The career counselor told me that at the moment, the JAG office is only looking to fill 6-7 spots so I'm not super hopeful.  I don't have any prior military experience and only have a year of practice under my belt. How much experience do typical JAG recruits have before joining the office?
4. Once the JAG office has assessed my file, what happens next? Do they call me for an interview? Will they let me know if they have decided that I do not qualify for an interview?

Thanks everyone,

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Re: 2016 JAG Application
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 14:35:33 »
See also,

Legal Officers 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=83972.0

7 Year Commitment?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=121752.0
"I am considering a career with the CF as a legal officer."

Law articling?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=96732.0
"I'm starting law school this year, and am interested in a military law career."

Legal Officer App Process 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=119654.0

any legal officers here?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=101747.0
"It looks like a really exciting career path"

Legal Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=29039.0

Legal Officer DEO in a couple years - any advice on preparing?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=90452.0

lawyer wants to join JAG...has questions 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=109676.0

JAG Officers 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=83.0

Legal Officer Recruitment
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=109276.0

etc...

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.
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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2016, 15:32:05 »
Marionmike has pretty much pulled together everything that you could ask for.

As to your specifc questions:

1 &2 Your recruiter will know better than anyone here. A couple of months is not unreasonable but ir could even take longer.

3. The applicants' experience varies from year to year. Since the competition is competitive, the more that you have, the better. Also military experience (regular or reserve) and a capability in both official languages are definite assets.

4. You will be advised one way or the other. Assuming that you are not disqualified for failing to meet the required standards, you should be scheduled for an interview by a board.

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2016, 17:54:10 »
Thanks for your replies Mariomike and FJAG.

I guess there is nothing to do now but wait...

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2016, 18:15:18 »
FJAG,

So if I meet the required standards, will I definitely be interviewed?
Or will I only be interviewed if I rank in the top X% (whatever that may be) of candidates that meet the standards?

The reason I ask is that although I may not have as much experience as other applicants, I would love the chance to meet the Board and show them my passion for the job, etc.


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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2016, 18:34:30 »
The reserves training year is September to end of April, and unit training shuts down over the May-Aug months for collective training (BMOQ-L, Trade Courses, etc). Your BMOQ will likely be the weekends in Sept/Oct/Nov, or Jan/Feb/Mar depending on how your local unit has its training calendar set up.

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Re: JAG 2016 Recruiting Process
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2016, 18:43:08 »
FJAG,

So if I meet the required standards, will I definitely be interviewed?
Or will I only be interviewed if I rank in the top X% (whatever that may be) of candidates that meet the standards?

The reason I ask is that although I may not have as much experience as other applicants, I would love the chance to meet the Board and show them my passion for the job, etc.

I can't give you a definitive answer as I've been retired from the branch since 2009. In my day everyone who met the required enrolment standards was invited to an interview.

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