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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1050 on: December 28, 2017, 01:41:09 »
Now you are just being obtuse. The unneeded massive debt by the Liberals does not compare with the PC debt.

Sure it does... debt all goes into the same lump and is "mostly" bad regardless of the party who created it.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1051 on: December 30, 2017, 13:07:30 »
Rex Murphy: Justin Trudeau's year-long descent from celebrity selfie-prince to typical politician- 29 Dec 17
2017 was not kind to the PM nor his government. And that last press conference? In Star Wars Yoda-tongue: Ill, it will bode for him

What’s true about first impressions — that you never get a second chance to make them — is logically symmetrical with the truth about last ones. No do-overs for them either, by definition. The last impression many Canadians have of Justin Trudeau in this year of Our Lord, 2017, was of him, shock-faced, rattled and babbling incoherently for a TV eternity of a minute and a half.

For all the sense he made, he could have been speaking Njerep ( I have a Masters in Google search) a language that survives only on the tongues of four people in the entire world, the youngest of whom is already 60.

It’s not because the question was tough, nor could it possibly have been unforeseen. He had been found guilty by the ethics commissioner of, not one, but four provisions of the conflict of interest law.

And, naturally, he was asked, how could a prime minister not have known that hopping on private helicopters on a “vacation” to the Aga Khan’s private island, with buddies and Liberal party personnel in tow, was not — to use a word much in favour at Wilfrid Laurier U — problematic?

This was not quantum mechanics. It was a hot issue for the PMO for all of 2017. Yet there he was in the Commons foyer, having been asked the inevitable question, looking gobsmacked and wounded, stammering like an old outboard motor on the last pint of gas, and stacking up enough non sequiturs and platitudes to fill a Costco warehouse. How bad was he? For that 90 seconds, he made George Bush look like the oratorical son of Martin Luther King Jr. and Margaret Thatcher.

That was the last impression for public view Mr. Trudeau left for the year now gliding into its final hours. In the Star Wars Yoda-tongue: Ill, it will bode for him. Not smart, it will seem.

The year 2017 was not kind to the PM nor his government. It began with his attempt to hide the Aga Khan vacation and ended with a demonstration of why he tried to hide it. The course of the year marked his descent from a celebrity selfie-prince to an all too typical politician, equipped with a genetic sense of entitlement and personal exceptionalism. The press, here and abroad, were no longer half-worshippers. His initiatives were seen by all critics, and some friends, too, as less policies than postures.

Next year's slogan will be more modest: Can I take a rain cheque on that?
   
On NAFTA, for example, the eerie attempt to inject his “feminist” proclivities and adoration of the green gods into trade negotiations did nothing for trade, greenism or feminism. He bungled mightily on trade with the Asian countries, too — not showing up, embarrassing Japan and angering the members of the TPP. The international press was starting to get a touch dismissive. Rightly so. After all, the “The world needs more Canada” sloganism, not showing up at all and ticking off a half-dozen world leaders was a curious choice. Next year’s slogan — “Can I take a rain cheque on that” — will be more modest.

His Number 2, Finance Minister Bill Morneau, made a perfect and protracted hash on the Trudeau tax policy — the one that was supposed to win the hearts of Mr. T’s beloved middle class. That ticked off almost everyone in the middle class or aspiring to it, from dentists to sales clerks. The finance minister’s campaign to sell the policy was a disaster, the climactic moment of which came with having the minister himself being, like his boss, under investigation for conflict of interest from the ethics commissioner.

A government that spent a fortune on deliverology (which I personally think of as the Scientology of spin doctors) proved itself incapable of getting cheques out to its employees. The Canada 150 celebrations were, in the main, a dull bomb. There was more fervour and kick in the Chase the Ace phenom in the small town of Goulds outside St. John’s.

The most sensitive cabinet position, the minister for disabled persons, was filled by the most insensitive person in the cabinet, Kent Hehr — a politician in the Don Rickles mode.

The MMIW inquiry is on yet another reset. The Energy East pipeline was, naturally, cancelled — another sacrifice to Mr. Trudeau’s woeful attachment to the ignis fatuus of global warming. 

Meantime, south of us, the Trump kingdom is both more successful in reducing the dreaded carbon dioxide emissions and simultaneously leading a revival in the U.S. energy industry and putting a shredder to the EPA’s cat’s cradle of over-reaching regulations. And Trump has just passed a monumental change in the U.S. tax code, which will inevitably — just as his energy policies — place Canada at a massive industrial and economic disadvantage.

And so Mr. Trudeau leaves this year with a bundle of negotiations unsettled, wounded ministers, pledges undelivered, in violation of the law governing conflict of interest, at odds with the UN economy, and no single major policy achievement. He caps that with that parting press conference horror, signalling a prime minister struggling, anxious and incoherent — an image which, if it takes, will be fatal for an administration that has made the prime minister’s image its only ace. Much like the Goulds, only in reverse.

A bad year, it was.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1052 on: December 30, 2017, 14:17:10 »
Rex Murphy: Justin Trudeau's year-long descent from celebrity selfie-prince to typical politician
He's still  not ready.

Unfortunately, it's not going to matter.  The Conservatives and the NDP seem to be actively trying to throw the next election away.  Between choosing leaders that no one has heard of, who seem unable to connect to voters, scratching around for policy statements that appeal almost exclusively to the more extreme elements of their political spectra.... it's like they don't want to seriously contest the next election.

Love him or hate him, as things stand, Team Trudeau will likely be given another mandate to bumble from one photo op to another, spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave majority Liberal government.

It's a self-inflicted wound.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1053 on: December 30, 2017, 14:22:28 »
Our countries leader.
Expectation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eak_ogYMprk

Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15-5O4UPM0U

That's never going to get old.





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Unfortunately, it's not going to matter.  The Conservatives and the NDP seem to be actively trying to throw the next election away. 

I have a sneaking suspicion Mr Scheer will have a comfortable position with the Liberals somewhere after he's done doing his conservative stint.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1054 on: December 30, 2017, 14:40:02 »
Our countries leader.
Expectation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eak_ogYMprk

Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15-5O4UPM0U

That's never going to get old.

 :rofl:  no, it won't.  What a maroon...

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1055 on: December 30, 2017, 16:40:39 »
:rofl:  no, it won't.  What a maroon...

That's not a nice thing to say about Rex Murphy... sure,  he's old and out of touch and makes lots of unsubstantiated claims, but....

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1056 on: December 30, 2017, 17:04:43 »
That's not a nice thing to say about Rex Murphy... sure,  he's old and out of touch and makes lots of unsubstantiated claims, but....

Yeah- Rex Murphy. That crazy, uneducated bumpkin of a Rhodes Scholar...

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1057 on: December 30, 2017, 17:48:00 »
Yeah- Rex Murphy. That crazy, uneducated bumpkin of a Rhodes Scholar...

Quite right. An educated out of touch old guy.

As many note, education doesn't always equal intelligence, though I don't think rex is stupid. Just out of touch in general. More like the grumpy old guy that yells at kids on his lawn.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1058 on: December 30, 2017, 18:11:19 »
Just out of touch in general. More like the grumpy old guy that yells at kids on his lawn.

He's as out of touch as a trust-fund rich kid clamoring on about championing the middle class while vacationing on private islands with billionaire friends.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1059 on: December 30, 2017, 18:16:56 »
He's as out of touch as a trust-fund rich kid clamoring on about championing the middle class while vacationing on private islands with billionaire friends.

Not incorrect. Theres something to be said for knowing the basics of confkic of interst laws too.

I never mentioned Trudeau though, unless you mean the other trust fund turned champion of the middle class, Donald J. Trump who spends a ton of time golfing and not signing legislation.

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« Reply #1060 on: December 30, 2017, 18:21:03 »
That's not a nice thing to say about Rex Murphy... sure,  he's old and out of touch and makes lots of unsubstantiated claims, but....

If only it was Rex, someone worthy of my respect, l was speaking of.  Sadly, for you, it was your hero I was thinking of.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1061 on: December 30, 2017, 18:30:51 »
Sure would like me some of that non-legislation signing golfers tax breaks. Buy me sum guns n groceries.

Instead my taxes are buying a bunch of murderers and rapists some poetry classes and welfare.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1062 on: December 30, 2017, 18:41:50 »
I never mentioned Trudeau though, unless you mean the other trust fund turned champion of the middle class, Donald J. Trump who spends a ton of time golfing and not signing legislation.

Your championing of the left is blending together, this is the Canadian politics thread.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1063 on: December 30, 2017, 18:45:26 »
If only it was Rex, someone worthy of my respect, l was speaking of.  Sadly, for you, it was your hero I was thinking of.

My hero? I defy you to find a post where I deify Trudeau or even give him more than Luke warm support on specific issues. Because I disagree with poorly thought out proposals by the CPC doesn't mean I support Trudeau. Same as because I think Trump's an idiot doesn't mean I supported Obama or Clinton.

If you need to see someone who blindly follows people than a mirror is what you're looking for.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1064 on: December 30, 2017, 18:46:54 »
Your championing of the left is blending together, this is the Canadian politics thread.

Where do  champion the left specifcally? I agree with some left and some right proposals

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1065 on: December 30, 2017, 18:56:36 »
Quite right. An educated out of touch old guy.

As many note, education doesn't always equal intelligence, though I don't think rex is stupid. Just out of touch in general. More like the grumpy old guy that yells at kids on his lawn.

Out of touch- in what way?

Please, be specific. I will wait.

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1066 on: December 30, 2017, 19:14:52 »
Where do  champion the left specifcally? I agree with some left and some right proposals
Being a moderate or centrist is the worst place to be.

You get attacked by both sides. Have fun, wear a helmet.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1067 on: December 30, 2017, 19:32:27 »
Being a moderate or centrist is the worst place to be.

You get attacked by both sides. Have fun, wear a helmet.

Bullshit. Birdgunner is the one who implied that anyone who is not a Trudeau fanboy, is therefore, automatically, a Trump fanboy.

That is not particularly centrist behaviour.

He is earned the dogpile, fair and square.


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« Reply #1068 on: December 30, 2017, 19:46:08 »
My hero? I defy you to find a post where I deify Trudeau or even give him more than Luke warm support on specific issues. Because I disagree with poorly thought out proposals by the CPC doesn't mean I support Trudeau. Same as because I think Trump's an idiot doesn't mean I supported Obama or Clinton.

If you need to see someone who blindly follows people than a mirror is what you're looking for.

I think you protest too much. 

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1069 on: December 31, 2017, 10:16:48 »
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....... Donald J. Trump who spends a ton of time golfing and not signing legislation.

Golfing, I believe 60 games so far including http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/29/trump-spends-friday-golfing-with-coast-guard-video/
closing Mar-A-Lago on Friday to golf and lunch with 60 Coasties.

Not signing legislation. BS. You just threw crap out without substantiation.

Yeah, I know topic is Cdn politics. I just wish Trump would kick Trudeau in the *** and tell him to start defending Canada immediately as the US will only do whats necessary to protect the US.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1070 on: December 31, 2017, 11:13:30 »
 :waiting:

You guys need to go to a New Years party or something....
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1071 on: December 31, 2017, 11:34:09 »
Not incorrect. Theres something to be said for knowing the basics of confkic of interst laws too.

I never mentioned Trudeau though, unless you mean the other trust fund turned champion of the middle class, Donald J. Trump who spends a ton of time golfing and not signing legislation.

You loose debates in support of the Canadian left when your go too retort is a foreign president. 

It reminds me of Canadian Anti gunners using American stats to support Canadian beliefs.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #1072 on: January 01, 2018, 21:07:07 »
Happy 2018 everyone!