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I am new here and have been thinking about joining the army for some time now. I have had a stutter my hole life and  I am wondering if this will be a problem in the army? If I do encounter some prejudice, will something be done?  Stuttering seems to be the only disability that it still OK to make fun of. Will I be protected by army law/rule the same way racism and other prejudices are taken care of?

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 15:19:36 »
CANADIAN FORCES POLICY ON DISCRIMINATION AND HARASSMENT

The Canadian Forces are committed to the principle of equality of all people and the dignity and worth of every human being without discrimination on any prohibited grounds including race.  Canadian Forces members must always be guided by this principle in their relationship with each other, with members of the public and with all those with whom they come in contact in Canada and overseas.  Racist attitudes are totally incompatible with the military ethos and with effective military service, and any behaviour or conduct which reflects such attitudes cannot be tolerated.  The Canadian Forces also have specific policies which prohibit discrimination, personal or sexual harassment, sexual misconduct, and abuse of authority.  This includes improper behaviour by a Canadian Forces member that is directed to another individual based on personal characteristics including race, colour, ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, physical characteristic or mannerisms.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 15:34:56 »
Great thanks for the info. :)  :salute:

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 15:47:06 »
I ran into this article a while ago, and is somewhat related to the topic of this thread so I thought it would be interesting to post.  It was written by a British Army applicant back in 1996, and he had a bad time because of his speech problems:

http://www.stammering.org/army.html

Interesting contrast in attitude compared to the Canadian Forces.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2005, 20:50:56 »
Many superb leaders, senior officers (BGens), CWO and all ranks below them have had great careers while dealing with a stutter.  Your skills and abilities will speak for themselves.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 22:57:24 »
Quote
senior officers (BGens),

You and I know of whom you speak!  
« Last Edit: June 13, 2005, 23:13:57 by Gunner »
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2005, 23:09:02 »
You and I know of who you speak!  

Superb?, hmmmmmmmmm.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2005, 23:15:06 »
That's what I was thinking too...!

Superb?  I seem to remember potted plants and a ruler...  ;D
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2005, 23:42:12 »
I have a speech impediment (unrelated to the fact that I always have a huge dip in my mouth - Stop it! I said DIP.) I stuttered as a child, and to this day I have to work against it. Despite that, I still rose to the giddy heights of MCpl. Oh, the power that is mine.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2005, 09:22:24 »
The most recent ex-Bde Comd of 2 CMBG (Peter D) is not who I was thinking of, perhaps you were thinking of the former Inspector Gen (Jim C).  I would hardly call Peter D a "potted plant".
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 09:28:42 »
There is a Sapper in my unit that stutters and when he came to the troop, for some reason he thought that it was necessary to inform his superiors that he had a speech impediment.............Recce Sgt = So, can you sharpen a shovel? Can you polish your boots?? Get down below and join the rest of the troop.

Stutter, shmutter.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 09:33:05 »
If you consider the language and dialect diversity of Canada, a stutter should be no big thing.  It was said before, actions speak louder.

You may get a bit of ribbing from your peers every now and then, but in my experience the worst offenders are also worst soldiers.

Best of luck.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 10:16:13 »
The most recent ex-Bde Comd of 2 CMBG (Peter D) is not who I was thinking of, perhaps you were thinking of the former Inspector Gen (Jim C).   I would hardly call Peter D a "potted plant".

Both Gunner and I were thinking about the former Inspector Gen.  There's a famous (true) story about an "inspection" he performed at NDHQ that involved using potted plants at the entry way as cover.

I know BGen D from his time out west here (he was G3 1 CMBG once upon a time) - no comparison!
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 10:18:56 »
The former Inspector General of Socks and Underwear is legendary, we all have our memorable stories.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 12:07:11 »
Thanks guys/gals, you all just helped me in my final reslove to join.  :salute:

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2005, 12:25:55 »
You're not alone man! I thought I was the only one with a speech impediment.

I stutter sometimes on some words that start with a certain letter, but it's not really a stutter, it's more of a "pause" because I can't say that word normally, I gotta emphasize the M or N or whatever. And I also suffer from a problem where I talk some-what fast and I end up slurring my words. I've been trying to fix these problems by talking alot slower and it's helped abunch, I have probably reduced the stuttering and slurring down to 14%. Take my advice, this will help you FOR SURE. Speak alot slower, and think about the word before you say it, visualize it, write it down, and then say it VERY slowly to yourself. Do this for about 10 minutes a day and I gurantee you my friend, your problem will be NO MORE  :D

Also, read out loud to yourself very slowly. Just grab a book, and read out loud for about half an hour a day.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2005, 12:26:49 »
And now a word from a civvy....

The Who's "My Generation" is sung the way it is because the lead singer had a stammering problem.   He took therapy and got over it.   But he still has to sing the song that way because it's popular.   But he makes millions doing it.

I have to say I would agree with the Brits...if your stammering is sufficient to cause a serious communication problem, then you might want to get help ahead of time to eliminate it.   I've also heard that it is related to self-esteem, something the army has a tendency to rebuild in their image...this could actually be a benefit for you.   And, as others have pointed out, a number of famous generals & such all had stuttering problems at some point....which they eventually overcame.

Don't let a correctible problem like this overcome your ambition.   Stuttering can be eliminated with proper training and self-discipline...And self-discipline is what the army is all about, no?   If you can make it through the training, then a little setback like this should be a piece of cake.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2005, 18:55:57 »
i know a mcpl that stutters really bad, but that hasn't stopped him from having a sucessful career thus far with 3 tours under his belt. he is a great guy so who cares if it takes a minute for him to say some stuff. i dont see anyone making fun of it, and if they do who cares, they are assholes and others will see that also

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2005, 20:40:13 »
And now a word from a civvy....

The Who's "My Generation" is sung the way it is because the lead singer had a stammering problem.   He took therapy and got over it.   But he still has to sing the song that way because it's popular.   But he makes millions doing it.
Like Randy Bachman - he does not have a real stutter/stammer. Randy was making fun of his brother, and Daltrey was trying to affect a speed-freak's stutter.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2005, 20:44:29 »
Like Randy Bachman - he does not have a real stutter/stammer. Randy was making fun of his brother, and Daltrey was trying to affect a speed-freak's stutter.

Sorry.

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All right, so we all agree that having a stutter is nothing to be ashamed of and it is against the Harassment Policy to give someone a hard time about it, so for other news..................
- Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2005, 00:06:19 »
I wouldn't be worried about the stutter at all. I'm a newfie from a very small outport community of about 50 people. If our type of dialect is acceptable in the CF, then a stutter shouldn't even be considered as a problem. Goodluck with the recruitment process.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2005, 06:46:37 »
pronto you rock!
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2005, 18:29:31 »
Hello I am new around here, I am thinking about joining the Canadian forces regular INF division. But I have a problem you see I have a speech impediment that where as some times I mess up my sentances, not all the time but some lol heh I have to backtrack and repeat my self in order to finsh saying some thing. When I was a child I had problems with my ears that delayed my speech progress, I am over that now and infact my ears are better then mosts.
Once I am used to being around certan people I am okay and it is rare for me to make an error in my speech. Some people who first meet me think that I have a low IQ because of this, but those who spend some time around me realize that I am not just some dumb person that does not know whats going on. I work at a local computer shop and my co-workers are amazed on how fast I can fix computer problems that they are having troubles with.
I am not sure on if the Canadian forces would welcome me because of my problem, many employers would shaun me for this. If perhaps I would have a chance I know that I would be a great soldier doing my part for my country.
Thanks for your time.
   

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2005, 19:22:43 »
Check out the link below it may answer some of your questions.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,31660.0.html

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2005, 10:02:57 »
Thank you guys, you have also helped me out, I have decided to call up a recruiter and have a talk with him/her about joining up.