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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2007, 00:02:02 »
I wanted your guys opinion on a subject which is worrying me. I'm going out for reg force Infantry, i've passed my cfat, interview, and medical exam. My recruiter told me that i'd get my BMQ date by last friday at the latest, but that never came. So i called him and asked him whats up, he says that Ottawa is still looking at my medical information and he doesn't know how long it will take. My worry is this, i have a speech impediment(stutter), my recruiter who did my interview and the doctor who did my medical exam said that this shouldn't be a problem for me wanting Infantry as my trade(because it's not that bad, and i can keep it under control). But the fact that they're still considering my medical is kind of scaring me, there is a chance i could be denied because of my speech.

So my question is, if i was asked to pick another trade, what would be one where i'd have to do less talking, where communication wouldn't be a huge deal.
My first 3 choices were Infantry, armored, and combat engineer.

I'll be asking my recruiter this same question, but he's been very busy lately and i thought i'd get your opinion on it aswell.
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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2007, 00:13:58 »
i spent alot of my time as a combat engineer on radios so its no different than armour or infantry


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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2007, 00:18:25 »
I actually met a really successful Comm Res Officer a few months back, he had a really, really strong stutter. I don't think it will be an issue.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2007, 01:53:30 »
I've known MPs who stuttered...

...like CSA said...

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2007, 13:39:20 »
Try looking at this thread Stuttering / Speech Impediments 

There have been a lot of very successful soldiers (in many different trades) who have had speech impediments.  Trying to find a trade where communication isn't a big deal is like trying to find a nun who doesn't proclaim her chastity. 
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2007, 14:50:18 »
I wanted your guys opinion on a subject which is worrying me. I'm going out for reg force Infantry, i've passed my cfat, interview, and medical exam. My recruiter told me that i'd get my BMQ date by last friday at the latest, but that never came.

So my question is, if i was asked to pick another trade, what would be one where i'd have to do less talking, where communication wouldn't be a huge deal.
My first 3 choices were Infantry, armored, and combat engineer.

I'll be asking my recruiter this same question, but he's been very busy lately and i thought i'd get your opinion on it aswell.

I will first give you three caveats about my advice.  I am not infantry, I am not a recruiter and I am not a doctor.  I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night.  All that being said, I've been in the Army for some time and have worked with just about every trade.  I like your choices by the way.  The Army is about people and every rank and trade has personal interactions that use speech.

I have a stammer.  Despite that I give briefings, presentations, talk on the radio, O Gps, interviews, teach lessons and so forth and somehow I get by.  I know many others in the same boat.    Bottom line, try not to sweat it.  You speech is what it is.  I believe that people will care more about what you say rather than whether you stutter or stammer. 

Your file may be held up for any number of medical reasons.  You want to find out soonest, no doubt, but try not to worry right now about things that you cannot control.  I know its frustrating but wait and see what happens while still remaining engaged in the process. 

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2007, 15:38:54 »
ahh thanks everyone for your help, i appreciate it, you've eased my worrying for now.

I'll post back if i find out anymore info on why it's being held back.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2007, 16:46:25 »
when I was at Gagetown the G1 (a LCOL Infantry) had a very pronounced stutter when he spoke one on one but not so much when he spoke in public. He was a great guy and had a very successful career. I believe he retired since then with at least 30 years service.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2009, 15:27:11 »
Can you join the CF if you have a physical disbility? For example, if you lost a leg?

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2009, 15:32:17 »
I am gonna go out on a limb and say no as you don't meet the Universality of Service.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2009, 16:36:04 »
Don't people with disabilities have rights under the constition? And how does having a disability automatically make you fail to meet the Universality of Service? If a person can perform a task effiecently why would they be excluded automatically based of a flawed logical assumption? If the government cannot follow it's own constitution and give all of it's citizens equal rights what it the point of our human rights here in Canada?

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2009, 16:39:54 »
Don't people with disabilities have rights under the constition? And how does having a disability automatically make you fail to meet the Universality of Service? If a person can perform a task effiecently why would they be excluded automatically based of a flawed logical assumption? If the government cannot follow it's own constitution and give all of it's citizens equal rights what it the point of our human rights here in Canada?

Go to the Recruiting Centre.  Submit your application.  The only way you'll get a definitive answer is through the Recruiting medical system.

Before you do, search on these forums about the time it takes to get decisions from the Recruiting Group medical system. It can be a slow process and you should be fully aware of that before you begin.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2009, 16:58:59 »
Don't people with disabilities have rights under the constition? And how does having a disability automatically make you fail to meet the Universality of Service? If a person can perform a task effiecently why would they be excluded automatically based of a flawed logical assumption? If the government cannot follow it's own constitution and give all of it's citizens equal rights what it the point of our human rights here in Canada?

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DAOD 5023-0, Universality of Service
Identification
Date of Issue: 2006-05-19

Effective Date: 2006-05-08

Application: This is an order that applies to officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces ("CF members").

Approval Authority: This DAOD is issued under the authority of the Chief of Military Personnel (CMP).

Enquiries: Director Military Personnel Policy (DMP Pol)


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Policy Direction
Context
The mission of the DND and the CF is to defend Canada, its interests and its values, while contributing to international peace and security.

To execute this mission the CF must be given broad authority and latitude in utilizing CF members and their skills. The statutory basis for this authority is section 33 of the National Defence Act. The fundamental importance of this authority to the functioning and effectiveness of the CF is recognized in subsection 15(9) of the Canadian Human Rights Act which provides that the duty to accommodate under subsection 15(2) of that Act is subject to the principle of universality of service. Under this principle, CF members must at all times and under any circumstances perform any functions that they may be required to perform.

Effective performance of the broad range of defence and security tasks assigned to the CF requires that CF members be capable of performing a similarly broad range of general military, common defence and security duties, in addition to the more particular duties of their military occupation or occupational specification. This open-ended nature of military service is one of the features that distinguish it from the civilian notion of employment governed by a contract, which obliges employees to perform only those duties specified in their job description or contract.

Principle of Universality of Service
The principle of universality of service or "soldier first" principle holds that CF members are liable to perform general military duties and common defence and security duties, not just the duties of their military occupation or occupational specification. This may include, but is not limited to, the requirement to be physically fit, employable and deployable for general operational duties.

Policy Statement
The CF is committed to the application of the principle of universality of service in the CF.

Authority
CMP has the authority to develop and approve policy concerning universality of service.

References
Source References
■Canadian Human Rights Act, subsection 15(9)
■National Defence Act, section 33
Related References
■DAOD 5023-1, Minimum Operational Standards Related to Universality of Service
■DAOD 5023-2, Physical Fitness Program

DAOD 5023-1, Minimum Operational Standards Related to Universality of Service
Identification
Date of Issue: 2006-05-19

Effective Date: 2006-05-08

Application: This is an order that applies to officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces ("CF members").

Supersession: Changes to Universality of Service Policy Application, 5000-1 (ADM(HR-Mil)) 6 November 2000

Approval Authority: This DAOD is issued under the authority of the Director General Military Personnel(DGMP).

Enquiries: Director Military Personnel Policy (DMP Pol)


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Operating Principles
Application
The application of the minimum operational standards related to universality of service is set out in the following table:

A CF member of the … is required …
Regular Force (Reg F)
 to meet the minimum operational standards.
 
Primary Reserve (P Res)
 
Canadian Rangers
 to meet the minimum operational standards if attached, seconded or transferred on consent to the Reg F or P Res.
 
Cadet Instructors Cadre (CIC)
 
Supplementary Reserve (Supp Res)
 
Note - In addition to any other standard for enrolment, applicants to the Reg F and P Res are required to meet, or be capable of meeting, the minimum operational standards.
 

Context
The overriding purpose of the Reg F and the P Res is to conduct and support military operations. The Supp Res provides an augmentation capability for the Reg F and P Res as well as for other sub-components. The Canadian Rangers provide a military presence in sparsely settled, northern, coastal and isolated areas of Canada. The CICs primary duty is the supervision, administration and training of cadets.

All CF members who serve in or with the Reg F and P Res are expected to be able to contribute to, and be ready for, operational duty in the service of the nation when required. The inability of CF members to do so reduces the capability and flexibility of the CF to mount and sustain operations.

Minimum Operational Standards
The following table sets out the minimum operational standards related to the principle of universality of service. These standards reflect the minimum standards and may be increased for operational, environmental or military occupational requirements as detailed in other DAODs, policies and operational orders.

Minimum Operational Standard A CF member is required to … which …
Be physically fit
 meet the common fitness requirements of general military service as indicated by the attainment of the CF minimum physical fitness standards as set out in the Canadian Forces EXPRES Operations Manual,
 ■are based upon the performance of the following five common tasks for CF members:
•high-low crawl (See Note);
•sea evacuation (See Note);
•entrenchment dig;
•casualty evacuation (See Note); and
•sand bag carry (See Note).
 
Be employable
 be able to perform the skill elements of common operational core tasks, as indicated by satisfactory routine unit and pre-deployment training evaluation and be free of medical employment limitations that would preclude performance of core tasks,
 ■requires a CF member to perform the following common operational core tasks:
•fire and maintain a personal weapon;
•conduct individual nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) drills;
•perform simple NBC monitoring;
•provide initial fire fighting response to fire fighting emergencies;
•administer first aid;
•perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation;
•perform drill (See Note);
•communicate using a radio;
•prepare written military correspondence;
•secure and lock up work areas; and
•enforce hygiene and sanitation standards.
 
Be deployable
 not have a medical or other employment limitation that would preclude deployment,
 ■requires a CF member to:
•perform duties in the full variety of geographical locations and climatic conditions in any physical environment;
•deploy on short notice;
•sustain irregular or prolonged working hours;
•sustain irregular or limited meals, and in some cases missing meals altogether;
•travel as a passenger in any mode of transportation;
•perform duties under physical and mental stress;
•perform duties with minimal or no medical support; and
•perform effectively without critical medication.
 
Note - Specific standards are detailed in Annex D, Appendix 1 of A-MD-154-000/FP-000, Medical Standards for the Canadian Forces.
 

Breach of Minimum Operational Standards
If it is determined after an administrative review (AR) by the appropriate authority that a member of the Reg F or P Res is permanently unable to meet one or more of the minimum operational standards, the CF member shall be:

■released from the Reg F or P Res, or a recommendation made for release, as applicable; or
■retained subject to employment limitations on a temporary, transitional basis.
Temporary Employment Limitation
A temporary employment limitation for a CF member which results in the inability of the CF member to meet the minimum operational standards is not considered a breach of those standards.

Restriction on Duty
A restriction on duty imposed on a CF member under DAOD 5003-1, Restrictions on Duty, is not a breach of the minimum operational standards.

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Applicability of Minimum Operational Standards to Groups
CF Members under the Age of 18
Section 34 of the National Defence Act (NDA) prohibits the deployment of a CF member under the age of 18 to a theatre of hostilities. This restriction was imposed to discharge Canada's international treaty obligations and is not considered a breach of the minimum operational standards.

Chaplains
QR&O 33.03(2) provides that chaplains shall not be required to perform any duty other than those pertaining to their calling. Accordingly, chaplains are exempt from the requirement to perform general military duties and common defence and security tasks.

Chaplains are still required to be medically and physically fit and deployable.

Canadian Rangers, CIC and Supp Res
CF members of the Canadian Rangers, CIC and Supp Res are not required to meet the minimum operational standards unless attached, seconded or transferred on consent to the Reg F or P Res.

CF members of the Canadian Rangers and the CIC are liable for general service under section 33 of the NDA. They could be called out in an emergency or be placed on active service in Canada, and are required to perform general military duties in these circumstances.

Applicability of Minimum Operational Standards to Individuals
Retention Subject to Employment Limitations
If the recommendation of an AR is the release of a CF member because the CF member is in breach of the minimum operational standards, the CF member may be retained subject to employment limitations only on a temporary, transitional basis if there is:

■a critical shortage in the CF member's military occupation; or
■a requirement for a specific skill set.
A CF member who is not military-occupation qualified and is in breach of the minimum operational standards is not to be retained.

Retention Subject to Employment Limitations Process
The process to determine the limits for the retention of a CF member subject to employment limitations is set out in the following table:

For the Reg F … For the P Res …
■through the annual military occupation review (AMOR) process as detailed in CF Mil Pers Instr 01/08, Annual Military Occupation Review (AMOR); and
■in consultation with managing authorities.
 ■by limits set by Chief of Maritime Staff (CMS), Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Chief of the Land Staff (CLS), Chief of Military Personnel (CMP), Assistant Deputy Minister (Information Management) ADM(IM), and Judge Advocate General (JAG), or designated staff, as applicable, based on a case-by-case review of individual unit requirements.
 
Note - AR approving authorities shall take these limits into account when determining whether or not to retain a CF member subject to employment limitations.
 

Period of Retention Subject to Employment Limitations
The period of retention of a CF member who is subject to employment limitations is set out in the following table:

For the Reg F … For the P Res …
the earliest of:

■the period of the shortage or requirement described in the Retention Subject to Employment Limitations block;
■the end of the current term of service; or
■a period of three years.
 the earlier of:

■the period of the shortage or requirement described in the Retention Subject to Employment Limitations block; or
■a period of three years.
 

The period of retention during which a CF member is subject to employment limitations only applies while the CF member is serving in his or her current component or sub-component and may not be transferred to another component or sub-component.

Career Implications
Any period of retention subject to employment limitations is a transitional period of service leading to release from the Reg F or P Res. During this period the CF member is expected to perform all military duties except those related to the CF member's employment limitations. During the period of retention, a CF member:

■remains liable for posting for service requirements only;
■is not eligible for career courses (see DAOD 5031-8, Canadian Forces Professional Development); and
■is only eligible for promotion if he or she meets the applicable promotion criteria.
Upon completion of a period of retention subject to employment limitations, a CF member is only eligible to be considered for a component or sub-component transfer to the Supp Res, Canadian Rangers or CIC.

Responsibilities
Responsibility Table
The following table identifies the responsibilities associated with the minimum operational standards related to the universality of service:

The … is or are responsible for …
CMP (through the AMOR process)
 ■setting limits for the retention of CF members with employment limitations in order to maximize trained effective strength for each military occupation and rank for the Reg F; and
■communicating limits on the retention of CF members with employment limitations to the AR approving authorities.
 
CMS, CAS, CLS, CMP, ADM(IM) and JAG, or designated staff
 ■setting limits for the retention of CF members with employment limitations so as to maximize trained effective strength for the P Res;
■communicating limits on the retention of CF members with employment limitations to the AR approving authorities;
■approving postings for a P Res member retained with employment limitations; and
■maintaining a record of P Res members who have been retained with employment limitations.
 
Director General Recruiting and Military Careers (DGRMC)
 ■maintaining a record of Reg F members who have been retained with employment limitations.
 
Director Military Careers or Director Senior Appointments, as appropriate
 ■approving postings for a Reg F member retained with employment limitations.
 
commanding officer, area headquarters or equivalent or DGRMC as applicable
 ■initiating an AR if a CF member is permanently unable to meet any of the minimum operational standards.
 
CF Recruiting Group Headquarters
 ■developing recruiting procedures for the Reg F and
P Res to ensure that all applicants are capable of meeting the minimum operational standards.
 

References
Source Reference
■DAOD 5023-0, Universality of Service
Related References
■Canadian Human Rights Act
■National Defence Act, section 34
■QR&O 33.03, Religious Ministrations
■DAOD 5002-3, Component and Sub-Component Transfer
■DAOD 5003-1, Restrictions on Duty
■DAOD 5019-2, Administrative Review
■DAOD 5023-2, Physical Fitness Program
■DAOD 5031-8, Canadian Forces Professional Development
■CFAO 11-6, Commissioning And Promotion Policy - Officers - Regular Force
■CFAO 49-4, Career Policy Non-Commissioned Members Regular Force
■CFAO 49-5, Career Policy - Non-Commissioned Member - Primary Reserve
■CFAO 49-12, Promotion Policy - Officers - Primary Reserve
■A-MD-154-000/FP-000, Medical Standards for the Canadian Forces
■ADM(HR-Mil) Instruction 11/04, Canadian Forces Medical Standards
■CF Mil Pers Instr 01/08, Annual Military Occupation Review (AMOR)
■CANFORGEN 081/05, Clarification on the use of Cadet Instructor Cadre (CIC) Officers outside the Canadian Cadet Movement
■CANFORGEN 087/06, New DAODs on Universality of Service, Minimum Operational Standards Related to Universality of Service, and CF Physical Fitness Program
■Canadian Forces EXPRES Operations Manual
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2009, 16:59:25 »
I have to agree with the Micheal. Go to the recruiter and ask. When we join the Canadian Military we give up some rights and privileges in order to effect some of the policies that are in place for the protection of Canada.
There are many ways to contribute and most if not all other government positions hire those who have the right skill sets regardless of their circumstances.

DND has had and has continued to develop policies regarding those who become seriously injured or ill while serving and it is their commitment to help them either stay in uniform (each case is separate and reviewed as such) or transfer out and gain employment with other government agencies or in the private sector.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2009, 17:03:46 »
Don't people with disabilities have rights under the constition? And how does having a disability automatically make you fail to meet the Universality of Service? If a person can perform a task effiecently why would they be excluded automatically based of a flawed logical assumption? If the government cannot follow it's own constitution and give all of it's citizens equal rights what it the point of our human rights here in Canada?

So a blind person should be allowed to be a bus driver?  Me thinks you're just here to stir things up.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2009, 17:12:00 »
Don't people with disabilities have rights under the constition? And how does having a disability automatically make you fail to meet the Universality of Service? If a person can perform a task effiecently why would they be excluded automatically based of a flawed logical assumption? If the government cannot follow it's own constitution and give all of it's citizens equal rights what it the point of our human rights here in Canada?

Yes, they do. Everybody has the right to apply, but there is no absolute right to be accepted... even for the able bodied. As said by another Michael, go to the Recruiting Centre and apply. The HRC has ruled several times that the BFORS (Bone-Fide Operational Requirements) are a valid measure of one's employability within the CF, and being in violation of them constitutes reasonable grounds for dismissal or denial of enrolment.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2009, 04:21:45 »
While I do understand that everyone should be given a fair chance I do think that everyone should be able to meet the physical fitness standards as well as to be able to pass basic.

Can a person with no leg run? yes I've seen it... with the help of prosthetics thus putting them at a disadvantage by having to rely on making sure you always have your deployable leg with you.
So let's say we start allowing soldiers with one leg who can run into the forces.

What about the guy with one arm? Now he wants to have a fair shot because the guy with one leg made it. So combat time comes even though he's a steward or some other non combatant and he can't fire his rifle because he left his custom designed one armed c7 somewhere in the heat of battle and the closest thing he has near him is the fallen guy with one leg's rifle which he can't fire.

And as the way things are this country will keep changing the standards to include everyone who are not fit for service, and we'll find away for the blind and deaf to be the captain of a ship because of the new gps autopilot system we've designed, but then everyone will need to communicate with this blind and deaf captain so we design a new course for St. Jean recruits to learn sign language and how to spell into someones hand as well as braille.

I could go on but......

The way I see it, we have enrollment/physical standards that people must meet and not the other way around. After all this is the military; a fighting force.  It would put that one person as well as his mates at a disadvantage if we are not all on the same level physically in a combat environment.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2009, 08:27:01 »
He's been told what he needs to do.
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2010, 16:23:25 »
Shall I confess about my stuttering at medical exam ?
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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2010, 16:46:11 »
Dude, you worry too much. If it's too minor to notice, don't even bring it up.

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Awhile back I was looking for expertise in the area, and came across the Youtube link above.  I emailed Jody Fuller and asked him if his stutter had ever caused him problems in his line of work.  He explained to me that a stutter is just some crossed wires in the brain, and it only affects him in normal conversation.  Singing a song, doing impressions of people, calling military drill, and talking on the radio were normally unaffected by the stutter because - according to him - that kind of speech is driven by a different part of the brain.  He said that in normal conversation, he was usually able to mash out the words or take a breath a speak a little more softly to get his point across.  One way or another, he was able to make do.

Lt. Jody Fuller is a good man, and his advice to me was a great help.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2010, 23:46:21 »
Posted by: IN HOC SIGNOwhen I was at Gagetown the G1 (a LCOL Infantry) had a very pronounced stutter when he spoke one on one but not so much when he spoke in public. He was a great guy and had a very successful career. I believe he retired since then with at least 30 years service.

I remember LCOL G; my wife use to work for him as his CC. He was a a great guy who would go out of his way to listen to all the troops. He had a 'bad' stammer when addressing the troops, but the troops told me that when he was on the radio, giving orders, etc his stammer disappeared.
I had a bad, pronounced stammer as a child which has (not completely) resolved; it's still there from time to time once in a blue moon but never as bad as when I was younger. (There's a few on this board who can attest to that LOL!)
Funny incident when I first got posted to 2RCR UMS in 90. My supervisor at the time said there was a seminar at CFH Halifax for those with speech impediments & he wanted to know if he could put my name in for it. I asked him  'why, does it bother you Sarge?' Well, he stammered & didn't know what to say. I just laughed & the whole UMS (including the Sgt) had a good laugh. I never had a problem in 27 years in uniform except for the very rare drunken a-hole at the very beginning of my career but had fellow brothers & sisters in uniform who told such drunken a-holes to grow up.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2012, 17:01:57 »
Hi, I'm new too this site so forgive me if I did anything wrong. I'm interested in being a fighter jet pilot, but I should tell you a bit about myself. I'm currently in grade 11 with a learning disability that set my math skills back and it's too late to take summer school because I would have to take a fifth year, which the university does not look at I think. Also, it took me awhile just to improve on my English cause the LD has affected my language skill, but it's at a grade 11 level  :), but I don't know if this will affect my chances of being a pilot. I'm also taking most courses that is university leveled (English, Chemistry, Biology, History, and Band, but math is college leveled course, in addition, I'm getting a 70% average, it would raise, if I had motivation because all the careers are crossed out because of math...

Another question, It says on the site (www.forces.ca) "The Canadian Forces is now hiring university students and graduates from all degree programs for Pilot Training. You don’t need any flying experience or training to apply:" Does that mean I can take criminal justice in university, and apply in the air force once I graduate with a bachelor? What should I do? I really want to become a pilot, that's why I went here to look for advice and Yahoo Answers seemed to be help to me.

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2012, 17:04:22 »
"that's why I went here to look for advice and Yahoo Answers seemed to be help to me." Should be "that's why I went here to look for advice and Yahoo Answers did not seem to help me" - A little mistake. Sorry if there are a few grammar mistakes.

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« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2012, 17:11:03 »
Do a search on the site.  Tons of threads on Pilot, Fighters, recruiting....even recruiting for Fighter Pilots. 

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Re: Re: Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2012, 17:47:30 »
. I'm also taking most courses that is university leveled (English, Chemistry, Biology, History, and Band, but math is college leveled course, in addition, I'm getting a 70% average, it would raise, if I had motivation because all the careers are crossed out because of math...

The learning disability aside, if you need a reason to be motivated to do well in school then you are barking up the wrong tree.  You should already be trying to do better, not waiting for someone to say there's a chance that you could be a fighter pilot.
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