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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #175 on: August 29, 2017, 16:54:38 »
It ain't the radicals from the left that I fear having show up at this party... Quite frankly I am what I think is reasonably concerned about some wingnut showing up unhinged one day determined to 'take care of the refugee problem' himself. Most of us don't see it as Anglos, but there's a unique dynamic within franco Quebec's right wing, related to but distinct from (chortle) the conventional white nationalist movement we see in small pockets throughout Canada. While the Haitians mostly speak some French, other nationalities crossing the border do not, and fall into demographics that have gotten a less than sympathetic response from some radical fringe elements. While I don't *expect* an act of violent radicalism at the border, it remains a possibility that I'm attentive to.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #176 on: August 29, 2017, 21:59:58 »


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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #177 on: August 30, 2017, 07:07:52 »
Arrest these clowns, give each of them a family of refugees/migrants/illegal immigrants/claimants/etc to take home and care for, with the promise that their charges will be dropped if they care for the family properly and bring them to the necessary tribunals/hearings/etc.

That would be an amazing act of love on their part...which is the opposite of hate...which is what they're asking for, right?

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #178 on: September 01, 2017, 11:18:53 »
Fewer asylum seekers crossing into Quebec illegally, CBSA says
CBSA says drop in number of refugee claimants started last week but agents still taking situation day by day

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-asylum-seekers-numbers-down-1.4270211

After an unprecedented spike in the number of asylum seekers crossing the border into Quebec illegally in early August, the Canada Border Services Agency says those numbers are now dropping.

Border agents are now handing the claims of 50 to 100 asylum seekers per day.

Compare that to the beginning of the month, when as many as 1,200 people were waiting to be processed at the border crossing in Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle, Que.

Before the surge in the number of people crossing into Canada began, agents were handling about a dozen asylum claims daily.

While the number of refugee claimants has been on the decline since the end of last week, the CBSA said it's still taking the situation day by day.

Many of the recent refugee claimants crossing into Quebec are Haitians who have been living in America for years but now face deportation.

In May, U.S. President Donald Trump announced that he would not be extending temporary protection status (TPS) for Haitian nationals past January, when that status is set to expire.

TPS was granted after the 2010 earthquake, but now the Department of Homeland Security considers Haiti to be a safe country.

A slowing of the surge of asylum seekers and more resources allocated to handle the claims also mean that people are spending less time at the makeshift tent city set up at the border while waiting to be processed, said the CBSA.

Last week, Cornwall, Ont., Mayor Leslie O'Shaughnessy announced the tent city pitched outside the Nav Centre to make room for asylum seekers will remain empty until further notice.

He said immigration officials told the city that processing was proceeding more quickly than expected at Quebec crossings.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #179 on: September 01, 2017, 23:05:25 »
Meanwhile ...
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The federal government is taking precautionary measures in case Canada sees another surge of irregular asylum seekers from the United States, including the possible purchase of winterized trailers and a plan to reach out to groups who may flee the U.S. in the coming months.

Public Services and Procurement Canada issued a tender Thursday* for winterized trailers in Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle, Que., where thousands of asylum seekers have crossed into Canada at irregular border crossings in recent months. The tender is seeking accommodations for 200 people on behalf of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), which processes asylum seekers when they cross the border.

The Canadian Armed Forces has set up army encampments in the town capable of accommodating 1,200 people while they wait for the CBSA to process them. Transport Minister Marc Garneau said the tents have heaters but the government is considering trailers for the winter months.

"We are, as a precautionary measure, looking at the possibility of trailers … which have a more robust capability to be able to house people in colder conditions," Mr. Garneau told reporters on Parliament Hill Friday after a meeting with the federal-provincial task force on irregular migration.

The task force, chaired by Mr. Garneau, was formed in August to address the recent increase in asylum seekers from the U.S . Almost 8,000 have irregularly crossed into Quebec – many at Lacolle – since June ...
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The facility will consist of insulated waterproof heated structures providing a good level of comfort in all seasons and meeting the requirements of Part 9 of the 2015 National Building Code. The structures can be mobile in nature or be assembled on-site from prefabricated components. The facilities must primarily accommodate the following:

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #180 on: September 02, 2017, 08:12:15 »
House them at CMRSJ;  warm shelter and  they can brush up on academics, military ethos, athletics, and bilingualism.   ;)
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #181 on: September 08, 2017, 07:07:07 »
If you think climate change isn't necessarily a security issue, maybe not always, but sometimes, it doesn't help ...
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Canada could indefinitely suspend deportations to Haiti and other countries devastated by Hurricane Irma, according to federal provisions that halt removals to nations deemed too dangerous because of conflict or disaster.

Scott Bardsley, spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, said the Canada Border Services Agency will not deport anyone who has had their refugee claim rejected, or is deemed inadmissible to Canada, to a country coping with a hurricane.

After the storm has passed, an evaluation will be carried out on the ground to determine its impact.

If the country is deemed safe, removals could continue. But widespread devastation could lead to a suspension of deportations, as happened after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti.

Those postponements could last for months or even years.

"What happens really depends on the circumstance," Bardsley said ...
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #182 on: September 08, 2017, 09:56:56 »
If you think climate change isn't necessarily a security issue, maybe not always, but sometimes, it doesn't help ...
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Scott Bardsley, spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, said the Canada Border Services Agency will not deport anyone who has had their refugee claim rejected, or is deemed inadmissible to Canada, to a country coping with a hurricane.

Except that most of the these folks didn't come from Haiti ... not directly, anyway. They came from the USA, which is, by law, a "safe third country," and they should be sent back there, not to Haiti. They are President Trump's problem ...
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #183 on: September 08, 2017, 10:08:40 »
... They came from the USA, which is, by law, a "safe third country," and they should be sent back there, not to Haiti. They are President Trump's problem ...
Good point, but that raises the question of whether PMJT & Co. will be willing to accept this premise & just send 'em back with that message.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #184 on: September 08, 2017, 10:15:56 »
Good point, but that raises the question of whether PMJT & Co. will be willing to accept this premise & just send 'em back with that message.


As much as I detest Donald Trump (because I think he is a semi-literate, bumbling buffoon) and as much as I also detest the US Congress (both sides of the aisle) I think that the (unelected) US courts are, largely, effective and trustworthy. I suspect our courts trust them too, and I also suspect that after the sundry immigration tribunals have mucked things up many cases will end up in our courts which will insist that the Government of Canada enforce our laws and send them back to the USA.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #185 on: September 08, 2017, 10:20:43 »
As much as I detest Donald Trump (because I think he is a semi-literate, bumbling buffoon) and as much as I also detest the US Congress (both sides of the aisle) I think that the (unelected) US courts are, largely, effective and trustworthy. I suspect our courts trust them too, and I also suspect that after the sundry immigration tribunals have mucked things up many cases will end up in our courts which will insist that the Government of Canada enforce our laws and send them back to the USA.
Agreed -- but that'll take time, allowing all bases to get pumped up.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #186 on: September 08, 2017, 10:21:24 »

As much as I detest Donald Trump (because I think he is a semi-literate, bumbling buffoon) and as much as I also detest the US Congress (both sides of the aisle) I think that the (unelected) US courts are, largely, effective and trustworthy. I suspect our courts trust them too, and I also suspect that after the sundry immigration tribunals have mucked things up many cases will end up in our courts which will insist that the Government of Canada enforce our laws and send them back to the USA.

The US has no reason or obligation to take them back - that's the problem.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #187 on: September 08, 2017, 10:27:54 »
As much as I detest Donald Trump (because I think he is a semi-literate, bumbling buffoon) and as much as I also detest the US Congress (both sides of the aisle) I think that the (unelected) US courts are, largely, effective and trustworthy. I suspect our courts trust them too, and I also suspect that after the sundry immigration tribunals have mucked things up many cases will end up in our courts which will insist that the Government of Canada enforce our laws and send them back to the USA.

The U.S. administration and the courts could elect to play hardball and deny them entry back into the U.S.   They could rule that by entering Canada illegally and, as a result being deported, that they are now inadmissible to the U.S.  They are Haitian citizens with no "re-entry by right" privileges enjoyed by U.S. citizens.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #188 on: September 08, 2017, 10:31:23 »
As much as I detest Donald Trump (because I think he is a semi-literate, bumbling buffoon)


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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #189 on: September 08, 2017, 13:36:49 »


Except that most of the these folks didn't come from Haiti ... not directly, anyway. They came from the USA, which is, by law, a "safe third country," and they should be sent back there, not to Haiti. They are President Trump's problem ...

Everything is in the details and definitions matter.  By God, I'm channeling Staff School.

Actually, by law, in the USA they are not refugees nor are they refugee/asylum claimants (though they may have been at one time, but not any longer).  The Haitian border crossers were in the US under a "Temporary Protected Status" (TPS) which is different and distinct (down there) from being a "refugee".  The expectations and treatment by the US government is quite different.

In the case of refugees/asylum seekers they want them to stay and become part of the American melting pot ("want" may be a strong sentiment, more likely "don't mind").

Refugee/Asylum
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If you are admitted as a refugee, you must apply for a green card one year after coming to the United States. . . .
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You may apply for a green card one year after being granted asylum.

However, as a TPS person
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TPS is a temporary benefit that does not lead to lawful permanent resident status or give any other immigration status. However, registration for TPS does not prevent you from:
•Applying for nonimmigrant status
•Filing for adjustment of status based on an immigrant petition
•Applying for any other immigration benefit or protection for which you may be eligible

Along with their other regulations, travel outside the USA by TPS persons is also covered.  They can travel if they request prior permission; if they leave the USA without prior permission then the Temporary Protected Status is no longer in effect and their re-entry to the USA is the same as anyone else from their country of origin.  The same would apply if the individual was in the USA under refugee/asylum status.

As for "safe third country" being invoked, that Canada/USA agreement applies, however there would probably be some disagreement as to whether these individuals are actually refugees or if they had sought refugee status in the USA.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/laws-policy/menu-safethird.asp
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The Safe Third Country Agreement applies only to refugee claimants who are seeking entry to Canada from the U.S.:
•at Canada-U.S. land border crossings (does this mean only designated border crossings?)
•by train or
at airports, only if the person seeking refugee protection in Canada has been refused refugee status in the U.S. and is in transit through Canada after being deported from the U.S.

As much as I would like them removed to the United States to have them deal with it, I think we are stuck with the problem, "legally".
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #190 on: September 09, 2017, 09:02:14 »
Everything is in the details and definitions matter.  By God, I'm channeling Staff School.

Actually, by law, in the USA they are not refugees nor are they refugee/asylum claimants (though they may have been at one time, but not any longer).  The Haitian border crossers were in the US under a "Temporary Protected Status" (TPS) which is different and distinct (down there) from being a "refugee".  The expectations and treatment by the US government is quite different.

In the case of refugees/asylum seekers they want them to stay and become part of the American melting pot ("want" may be a strong sentiment, more likely "don't mind").

Refugee/Asylum
However, as a TPS person
Along with their other regulations, travel outside the USA by TPS persons is also covered.  They can travel if they request prior permission; if they leave the USA without prior permission then the Temporary Protected Status is no longer in effect and their re-entry to the USA is the same as anyone else from their country of origin.  The same would apply if the individual was in the USA under refugee/asylum status.

As for "safe third country" being invoked, that Canada/USA agreement applies, however there would probably be some disagreement as to whether these individuals are actually refugees or if they had sought refugee status in the USA.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/laws-policy/menu-safethird.asp
As much as I would like them removed to the United States to have them deal with it, I think we are stuck with the problem, "legally".

Thanks, Blackadder1916; I was (obviously) unaware of that distinction and I agree that we may well end up being "stuck" with them.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #191 on: September 09, 2017, 09:35:26 »
Thanks, Blackadder1916; I was (obviously) unaware of that distinction and I agree that we may well end up being "stuck" with them.

Looks like these people crossing the border have not only caused us some major "legal" concerns, but in making that trek they have screwed themselves out of anything that they may have had in the US.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #192 on: October 25, 2017, 13:47:05 »
Getting back to this months later, CBC has some interesting info on the legality of the refugees.  Specifically referring to Section 133 of the Immigration Refugee Act:

133 A person who has claimed refugee protection, and who came to Canada directly or indirectly from the country in respect of which the claim is made, may not be charged with an offence under section 122, paragraph 124(1)(a) or section 127 of this Act or under section 57, paragraph 340(c) or section 354, 366, 368, 374 or 403 of the Criminal Code, in relation to the coming into Canada of the person, pending disposition of their claim for refugee protection or if refugee protection is conferred.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #193 on: June 01, 2018, 14:44:04 »
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This federal government enjoys that round number, $50 million, when spending taxpayer's money.
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OTTAWA - The federal government will provide $50 million to Quebec, Ontario and Manitoba to help pay for some of the costs they have borne as a result of the influx of asylum seekers illegally crossing the Canada-U.S. border.

Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen says this is by no means a final payment to these provinces for border crosser costs, but is meant to help address some of the immediate housing needs in those provinces.

Quebec, which has seen the majority of asylum seekers this year arriving through a forest path in Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle, will receive $36 million.

Ontario will get $11 million and Manitoba $3 million.

The provinces have asked for much more, with Quebec seeking $146 million and the city of Toronto alone saying it needs $64 million to recover asylum seeker costs.

Hussen says compensation negotiations with the three provinces will continue.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #194 on: June 01, 2018, 22:43:23 »
Send Trump a bill. ;D

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« Reply #195 on: June 02, 2018, 11:39:57 »
Send Trump a bill. ;D

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #196 on: June 02, 2018, 13:25:46 »
Don't make us build a wall!

they can afford to pay for it with their 25% duty on steel and aluminum.....
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #197 on: June 02, 2018, 16:01:03 »
And they can even build the wall out of aluminum and steel...for the win!

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #198 on: June 02, 2018, 16:47:34 »
they can afford to pay for it with their 25% duty on steel and aluminum.....

Even bigger savings if they build it out of steel and aluminum and use it as a strategic reserve should the day come that the wall comes down.  One long, on the shelf, supply of materials.  Perhaps a little too large of a stockpile for those who subscribe to "Supply and Demand".

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #199 on: June 02, 2018, 17:11:49 »
But they can only build it if 50% of th construction workers are women  ;D
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