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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2017, 10:50:14 »
I got rid of the conspiracy nonsense.  As to this part, no.  No Prime Minister of Canada has ever sought to bring down anyone in Canada.

Yes, because "bringing down the rich" doesn't sound as nice as "tax the rich". You can doctor the semantics all you want, but when you raise the tax rates on the rich, you're bringing them down to redistribute the money to the masses.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2585026/trudeaus-tax-hike-on-high-earners-could-backfire-report/
http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/taxes/canada-set-to-propose-closing-tax-loophole-favored-by-doctors/wcm/b5e17b7c-f526-4fef-b702-f70f1f26425e
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-budget-equlity-1.4036031

I'll also invite you to read the George Soros biographical synopsis here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros which states:

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He is a well-known supporter of American progressive and American liberal political causes and dispenses his donations through his foundation, the Open Society Foundations.[17] Between 1979 and 2011, Soros donated more than $11 billion to various philanthropic causes;[18][19] by 2017, his donations "on civil initiatives to reduce poverty and increase transparency, and on scholarships and universities around the world" totaled $12 billion.[20]

George's statement is factually correct even though you choose to just willfully ignore it. Just because someone says George Soros doesn't automatically make it a conspiracy theory. When that individual throws around $12B USD to progressive and left leaning political causes, they get a little bit of say in the direction those causes takes.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2017, 12:33:11 »
I got rid of the conspiracy nonsense.  As to this part, no.  No Prime Minister of Canada has ever sought to bring down anyone in Canada.

Really?   "He's just not ready."

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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2017, 13:15:17 »
Really?   "He's just not ready."

I'll tell you what.  Canada has the best economy it has at any time in 17 years, and he's remained relatively popular.  He seems like he was ready after all.

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« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2017, 13:56:03 »
I'll tell you what.  Canada has the best economy it has at any time in 17 years, and he's remained relatively popular.  He seems like he was ready after all.


Hmmm?  Wonder why you only read Liberal Party propaganda.  I would not say that Ontario, more or less Canada's industrial base, is doing very well with many companies moving SOUTH of the border.  I would suggest that we are still riding the tail end of the wave of the previous Government and now headed into the down trough.  Time will tell.

New regulations and taxes being discussed on small business.  Ontario Hydro Rates.  Cancellation of proposed pipelines.  Illegal migrant issues.  Ridiculous points they want included at NAFTA negotiations.  People are starting to get very pissed at the Liberals and their nonsense.
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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2017, 14:53:37 »
Hmmm?  Wonder why you only read Liberal Party propaganda. 

I don't read anything put out by the Liberal party.  I do read information put out by economists:

http://www.bnn.ca/canadian-gdp-tops-estimates-in-may-1.816156

Canada has done better this year than under and year that Harper was in power.  Ontario's economy has mostly recovered from the gloom years.  Many companies continue to move north of the border due to far lower corporate taxes in Canada than in the US (both Liberals and Conservatives have been lowering them for 25 years).  There are no new taxes being discussed on small business - they're simply closing loopholes.  You'll now have to work for the small business to get paid by it, as it should be. Line 3 replacement and expansion, approved by the Liberals, is now being built.  Northern Gateway, cancelled by the Liberals, was never going to meet its 800 conditions anyway.  Illegal migration is generally the fault of the country that the migrants are fleeing, and not the receiving country.  Do you blame Turkey for Iraqi refugees? 

As for the NAFTA negotiations - chapters on gender, climate, and indigenous peoples are included in any modern trade treaty, from CETA to the now dead TPP.

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« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2017, 17:12:09 »
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Illegal migration is generally the fault of the country that the migrants are fleeing, and not the receiving country.  Do you blame Turkey for Iraqi refugees? 

Turkey either supporting or turning a blind eye to ISIS probably doesn't exactly help Iraqi refugees. 
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« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2017, 17:26:45 »
Turkey either supporting or turning a blind eye to ISIS probably doesn't exactly help Iraqi refugees.

Well, Canada already ended it's Haitian refugee program, so, in this case, we aren't supporting ISIS.

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« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2017, 17:34:07 »
Except we're selling weapons and equipment to Saudi Arabia who is also secretly supporting ISIS (according to Hillary Clinton). So we kinda are. But that's off topic  :nod:
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« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2017, 17:35:55 »
I'll tell you what.  Canada has the best economy it has at any time in 17 years, and he's remained relatively popular.  He seems like he was ready after all.
That must be why everyone is peachy keen in the resource provinces and the Maritimes.  Cuz the economy is better now than it was before 2014 and before 2008.

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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2017, 19:07:16 »
That must be why everyone is peachy keen in the resource provinces and the Maritimes.  Cuz the economy is better now than it was before 2014 and before 2008.

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-07-28/alberta-tops-b-c-to-reclaim-lead-in-canadian-growth-survey

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Alberta’s economy is more than just back on its feet, it’s about to run faster than any other region in Canada.

Gross domestic product in the western province will rise by 2.9 percent this year, according to a Bloomberg survey of economists, up from an April estimate of 2.5 percent. That matches forecasts for neighboring British Columbia, and in 2018 Alberta comes out on top with a 2.4 percent expansion that would be tops among Canada’s 10 provinces.

It’s a huge comeback from Alberta’s last place finish in each of the last two years when oil prices plummeted below $50 a barrel, triggering layoffs and an investment freeze that shrank GDP by about 4 percent. The rebound is another sign Canada may retain its top spot among Group of Seven nations as economic growth diversifies away from consumer spending.


https://www.google.ca/amp/nationalpost.com/news/canada/from-the-doghouse-to-a-powerhouse-quebecs-economy-has-rebounded/wcm/2309f155-c7d5-4617-b95a-d359f227bafe/amp

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Last month, Standard & Poor’s announced that it was raising Quebec’s credit rating from A-plus, to AA-minus, the highest rating the province has enjoyed since 1993, and again, better than Ontario’s. 

The province’s economic growth exceeded projections in the first quarter of 2017, with gross domestic product increasing 1.1 per cent over the first three months, outpacing Canada as a whole. That growth meant higher tax-revenues for the provincial government, and last month Leitao announced that Quebec had ended the 2016-17 fiscal year with a $4.5 billion surplus — nearly twice what had been forecast in his March 28 budget.

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« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2017, 19:13:00 »
Over 4000 KMs and we argue how much better the economy is.   [:D  If we could all commute those KMs to fill the high paying jobs daily.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2017, 19:15:24 »
I'll tell you what.  Canada has the best economy it has at any time in 17 years, and he's remained relatively popular.  He seems like he was ready after all.

Tell you what.  Why don't I remind you what it was you said, and what I was replying to...

...No Prime Minister of Canada has ever sought to bring down anyone in Canada.

Does that help you understand my reply to your statement any better?

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« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2017, 19:34:42 »
Really?  The folks I know in the resource industry might have another opinion.  As might some of the other resource provinces.  There's more than just one.  And there's still the Maritimes.

Good for them - overall, growth is higher than at any other time since the year 2000. 

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« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2017, 19:34:54 »
Really?  The folks I know in the resource industry might have another opinion.  As might some of the other resource provinces.  There's more than just one.  And there's still the Maritimes.

If it's true and accurate then that's pretty awesome.

Between Clinton's chances of winning at 99% and our media fawning over the PM s selfies and staged photo ops infront of mathematical calculations I'm a bit slow to trust online articles.
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« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2017, 19:50:40 »
Really?  The folks I know in the resource industry might have another opinion.  As might some of the other resource provinces.  There's more than just one.  And there's still the Maritimes.
he's agreed to pipelines, and he cannot control the global price of oil.

Despite that, Alberta looks like they will be rebounding shortly.

As for the Maritimes, they gave been a economic basket case for what, the last 5 prime ministers?

Tall order to ask trudeau to personally fix those two issues.

As for the Canadian economy on a whole, Ontario is doing decently, Quebec isn't a economic basket case and Albert a is looking like they will adjust to 50 dollar oil again and will once again lead Canada in growth.

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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2017, 20:04:05 »
Good for them - overall, growth is higher than at any other time since the year 2000.

You forgot your sarcasm emogi.  Oh wait, you were serious. 

For the folks I know,  things are not good.  The job prospects I had in the patch are gone and not to return. Newfoundland is hurting, not booming anymore.  Not seeing really good times back home in NS either.

Pipelines, yeah... I doubt it will come to anything.  You're correct, Altair, no blame can be laid on any PMs feet about the price of oil.  Most of the big projects in Alberta are gone, the leases returned and doubtful things will swing back that far again.

Basket case history or not, the Maritimes are hurting and your ooooh la la everythings fine under the sun in Canada isn't necessarily so for all.

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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2017, 20:19:07 »
Good for them - overall, growth is higher than at any other time since the year 2000.


Before stating random general info, please provide company financials to back up your claims.

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« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2017, 20:51:44 »
I don't really care about your investments.  Real GDP grew at an annualized figure of 4.6% last quarter.  I'm serious, because that's the truth.  You guys can make up scenarios all you want - it doesn't change that reality.

It also doesn't change the reality for the people crossing the border illegally.  They're not here because of any Trudeau tweet.  They're here because of someone else whose name happens to start with a T.

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« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2017, 20:57:11 »
.....  They're not here because of any Trudeau tweet.  They're here because of someone else whose name happens to start with a T.

If you don't think that they are here because of Trudeau's tweets and statements, you are plain outright foolish.  It doesn't matter what they may think the President of the US may do; it is what our Prime Minister has already done....OPEN THE GATES to one and all.  If you can't understand that half of the equation, then I can only shake my head in disbelief.
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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2017, 21:01:10 »
They are here because they can get into Canada right now easier than I can with a green passport.  Not because of Trump, only because we aren't stopping them from coming in.  I can't blame the neighbor for his dog being in my backyard if I left my gate open.  That the dog was running around is a separate issue, but the reason it ended up in my yard is my issue.
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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2017, 21:03:25 »
Not seeing really good times back home in NS either.


Sidebar.  They are going to open a new coal mine.  Nothing major but jobs are jobs.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/donkin-coal-mine-cape-breton-1.4003452
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« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2017, 21:08:33 »
Sure, and IKEA has hired for their new store at Dartmouth Crossing too.  Why don't we throw in the Bluenose is finally sailing too while we're at it.  That's meant a job or two too, no doubt.  (which might  help offset the end of millions spent on that white elephant)...

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« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2017, 21:24:49 »
If you don't think that they are here because of Trudeau's tweets and statements, you are plain outright foolish.  It doesn't matter what they may think the President of the US may do; it is what our Prime Minister has already done....OPEN THE GATES to one and all.  If you can't understand that half of the equation, then I can only shake my head in disbelief.

No rules have been changed.  Nothing about the way this is or would have been handled has changed.

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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2017, 21:25:50 »
They are here because they can get into Canada right now easier than I can with a green passport.

The only people who can stop that are the Americans on their side of the border.  There's nothing we can do to stop them from illegally crossing, other than arresting them upon entry, which we already are.