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All things Charlottesville (merged)
« on: August 13, 2017, 17:35:29 »
Not sure if this belongs in US politics or Terrorism... personally, I go with the latter and hope that this POS goes away for a long long time:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/man-accused-of-ramming-protesters-pictured-with-racist-group-1.3543776

Moreover, Trump's oratory skills seem to be lacking:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/white-house-scrambles-to-explain-trump-s-response-to-clashes-1.3543845

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2017, 17:54:55 »
With an IQ as high as his age to match too, no doubt.  Shameful thing to do to a Challenger as well. 
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2017, 17:58:58 »

Moreover, Trump's oratory skills seem to be lacking:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/white-house-scrambles-to-explain-trump-s-response-to-clashes-1.3543845

I disagree, notwithstanding that he mentioned white supremists, and all extremist groups (which by default includes BLM, ANTIFA, New Black Panthers and any number of other Soros backed, Tide Foundation organisations.)

He's being careful, as he should, and he is likely waiting til all facts are known before addressing it in depth. Unlike so many that are already blaming the right, left, crap disturbers and mental cases.

If blame needs to be cast immediately, based on who is at fault, everyone participating in it is equally guilty until the investigation has crystallized and reasonable and probable grounds are achieved. Only then should any group involved be named.

So far, all you have is an alleged mentally deficient individual tha may have attended WS gatherings according to pictures.

I respect the idea he addressed things almost immediately, in broad strokes, until he has solid facts to make a more concise statement.

You don't even need to look through the bottom of a beer glass to see the hypocrisy of the people that have been condemning him for acting too fast, and running his gate before he understands the situation. They are the same people that have decided they've made up their mind and Trump isn't acting fast enough to outlaw their political adversaries.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2017, 20:00:54 »
He's being careful, as he should, and he is likely waiting til all facts are known before addressing it in depth.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2017, 21:44:29 »
I disagree, notwithstanding that he mentioned white supremists, and all extremist groups (which by default includes BLM, ANTIFA, New Black Panthers and any number of other Soros backed, Tide Foundation organisations.) ...
For the record, here's what POTUS45 said (highlights mine)...
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We condemn, in the strongest possible terms, this aggregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.  It's been going on for a long time in our country.  Not Donald Trump.  Not Barack Obama.  It's been going on for a long, long time.  It has no place in America.  What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives.  No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society, and no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.
... here's what the White House had to say ...
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"The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry, and hatred, and of course that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi, and all extremist groups. He called for national unity and bringing all Americans together."
... and here's what the VP is quoted saying:
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Vice President Mike Pence denounced white supremacists Sunday night as “dangerous fringe groups” and said President Trump shares his views.

Referring to weekend violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a man drove a car into a crowd of demonstrators, killing one person and injuring many others, Mr. Pence said the administration clearly rejects the ideology of white supremacists.

“We have no tolerance for hate and violence from white supremacists, neo-Nazis or the KKK,” Mr. Pence said at a press conference in Cartagena, Colombia. “These dangerous fringe groups have no place in American public life and in the American debate, and we condemn them in the strongest possible terms.”

The vice president also criticized those who have accused Mr. Trump of not speaking out strongly enough against the white supremacist movement in the U.S. Mr. Trump said Saturday that the violence must stop “on many sides” but didn’t single out the white supremacists who are being blamed for provoking confrontations.

“I take issue with the fact that many in the national media spent more time criticizing the president’s words than they did criticizing those that perpetrated the violence to begin with,” Mr. Pence said. “We should be putting the attention where it belongs, and that is on those extremist groups that need to be pushed out of the public debate entirely and discredited for the hate groups and dangerous fringe groups that they are.” ...
Not sure if this belongs in US politics or Terrorism...
Once more on this development comes out, it may be worth breaking out as a stand-alone thread (source):
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The Department of Justice said Saturday it has opened a civil-rights investigation into a deadly car-ramming incident that witnesses said targeted counter-protesters at a white nationalist and alt-right rally in Virginia.

"The violence and deaths in Charlottesville strike at the heart of American law and justice,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said. "When such actions arise from racial bigotry and hatred, they betray our core values and cannot be tolerated.”

(...)

 The FBI said in a statement Saturday that it, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Virginia have opened a civil rights investigation into the car striking the crowd of people.

Sessions said the federal investigation "will have the full support of the Department of Justice."

"Justice will prevail," he said ...
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The feds are looking into whether James Alex Fields Jr., the suspect accused of ramming his car into a group of counter-protesters at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., had help planning the alleged attack, a senior Justice Department official familar with the investigation told Fox News on Sunday.

The DOJ has opened a federal civil rights hate crime investigation into Saturday's crash, which killed one person and injured 19 others.

The feds are looking into whether James Alex Fields Jr., the suspect accused of ramming his car into a group of counter-protesters at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., had help planning the alleged attack, a senior Justice Department official familar with the investigation told Fox News on Sunday.

The DOJ has opened a federal civil rights hate crime investigation into Saturday's crash, which killed one person and injured 19 others.

"The investigation is not limited to the driver. We will investigate whether others may have been involved in planning the attack," the official said, adding that domestic terrorism charges are possible as well.

DOJ officials say domestic terrorism includes criminal acts that are dangerous to human life and appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population. "Motive often is not clear, but we have enough evidence to be suspicious that the suspect intended to send a message and not just harm immediate victims," the DOJ official said, adding that "scores" of federal officials have been helping local law enforcement.

The crash is being investigated jointly by the FBI, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Virginia and the Civil Rights Division’s Criminal Section, Fox News is told ...
Innocent until proven guilty, but it'll be interesting to hear what might come out of the legal proceedings about how someone doing something like this may have been radicalized to this point.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 23:12:45 »
The police were ordered to pull back which allowed for the Soros funded Antifa thugs to move and started the chaos.Just like in previous events that the democrats have used as a straw man,just like the Nazi's and communists in another century.

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2017, 10:04:55 »
"Soros funded Antifa". Oh yeah that's what happened in Charlottesville. Just like the Nazis? You're a ******* Nazi.

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2017, 10:22:56 »

He's being careful, as he should, and he is likely waiting til all facts are known before addressing it in depth. Unlike so many that are already blaming the right, left, crap disturbers and mental cases.


Oh yeah, because he's ALWAYS so careful and ALWAYS waits til all facts are known. What absolute bullshit. He doesn't wait for a millisecond to spontaneously with no warning to the Defence Dept or military, have it pop into his reptilian little brain and out his sphincter-like mouth that transgender people will be no longer permitted in the military. He's always so careful when he's talking about Muslims, or Mexicans, or African-Americans. Your orange idol is a white supremacist, surrounded by white supremacists (Bannon, Miller, Gorka) funded by the Mercers (if not the Russian mafia-we shall see), to say nothing about the American taxpayers that he bills to stay at his hotels, and you talk about Soros? I've had enough your right-wing crap. You've been spewing it on here for years and everybody's polite because - the moderators - but I don't care, I'm calling you on this bullshit.

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2017, 10:28:16 »
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2017, 10:55:37 »
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2017, 21:02:10 »
Violence should never be found to be acceptable in a Free Society.  That means the use of violence by anyone.  BLM and ANTIFA are not exempt of this and should be held accountable when they do use violence.

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7 Things You Need To Know About The Charlottesville Violence And White Supremacist Terror Attack
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In the aftermath of Saturday’s Charlottesville, Virginia chaos — a physically violent conflict between disgusting white supremacist alt-right thugs and repulsive Antifa thugs, which culminated in a murderous attack by an apparent alt-righter on the Antifa crowd and other miscellaneous counter-protesters, resulting in the death of one person and injuries to another 19 — the hot takes have been coming fast and furious.

Here are some of the things you need to know about the awful events of yesterday.

1. The Alt-Right Is Not Conservative. One of the hottest takes from the Left is that the alt-right represents the entire right — that what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia represented conservatives broadly. That’s factually incorrect, and intellectually dishonest. The alt-right is not just conservatives who like memes or who dislike Paul Ryan. The alt-right is a philosophy of white supremacy and white nationalism espoused by the likes of Vox Day, Richard Spencer, and Jared Taylor.

Here’s Jared Taylor explaining the alt-right:  https://youtu.be/hhnDm7OxuU4

They openly acknowledge their antipathy for the Constitution and conservatism; they believe that strong centralized government is necessary to preserve “white civilization.” They label all their enemies “cucks” — men in favor of “race-mixing.”
 
Here’s a solid guide to what the alt-right actually thinks

2. The Alt-Right Has Successfully Created The Impression There Are Lots Of Them. There Aren’t. Thanks to the hard work of alt-right apologists like Milo Yiannopoulos, the widespread perception has been created that the alt-right is a movement on the rise, with a fast-increasing number of devotees. The media have glommed onto the alt-right in order to smear the entire conservative movement with it. The alt-right is quite active online — according to the Anti-Defamation League, I was their top journalistic target in 2016, and I received nearly 8,000 anti-Semitic tweets during the election cycle — but they aren’t particularly large. They fill up comments sections at sites like Breitbart, and they email spam, and they prank call people, and they live on 4chan boards, but the vast majority of alt-right anti-Semitic tweets came from just 1,600 accounts.

Thanks, however, to their online vociferousness, they convinced members of the Trump campaign, apparently including the president, that it was important not to knock them.

3. The Alt-Right Has Been Tut-Tutted By President Trump And His Advisors For Over A Year. Yesterday Was Nothing New. President Trump’s initial response to the attack in Charlottesville made no mention of the alt-right or white supremacy or even of racism. He simply stated, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It has been going on for a long time in our country — not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America.” Trump, who has been fully willing to call out radical Islam, had nothing to say about the alt-right. Some Trump defenders point out that Barack Obama never condemned Black Lives Matter in the wake of riots and shootings of police officers, either. But Obama was wrong, and his wrongness is not an excuse for Trump to sit by and do nothing.

Thanks, however, to their online vociferousness, they convinced members of the Trump campaign, apparently including the president, that it was important not to knock them.

On Sunday morning, the White House used an unnamed spokesperson to release a statement: (See Tweet on LINK)
 
Why didn’t Trump just come out himself and say the same? Because he tut-tutted the alt-right throughout his presidential campaign. He refused point-blank to condemn the KKK during an infamous exchange with CNN’s Jake Tapper in March 2016. He refused to condemn the alt-right targeting Jewish journalists like Julia Ioffe in May. His chief campaign strategist, Steve Bannon, was head of Breitbart when Yiannopoulos wrote his screed, and openly stated that the site had become “the platform for the alt-right.” Sadly, Trump has shown willingness to accept support from any source, no matter how despicable.

4. The Car Attack Was An Act of Terrorism. The alt-right piece of human debris James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Ohio, apparently deliberately drove his vehicle into counterprotesters and Antifa members. That’s an act of political violence no different from the car attacks of Nice, France or Jerusalem or London Bridge. That’s terror.
 
5. Trump’s Unwillingness To Fight The Alt-Right Tooth And Nail Grows The Alt-Right. President Trump’s milquetoast statement has emboldened members of the alt-right. Here’s the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer: “He outright refused to disavow. People saying he cucked are shills and kikes. He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.” That account may be unfair to Trump. But it’s what white nationalists are reading. They see Trump as a useful figure. David Duke said as much at the rally: “This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take this country back. We’re gonna fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

6. The Left’s Malfeasance And Support For Violent Groups Like Antifa Grow The Alt-Right. Antifa was violent in Charlottesville. That’s not according to me; that’s according to Sheryl Gay Stolberg of The New York Times, who tweeted thusly:  (See Tweet on LINK)
 
She was forced to backtrack and suggest that the Antifa thugs weren’t “hate-filled” after online blowback. But Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — we all remember how they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and how they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.

This isn’t “whataboutism.” Nothing justifies the alt-right’s racist perspective or murderous violence by an alt-righter. But it would be factually incorrect to ignore Antifa’s continuing role in the violent incidents that have now spread across the country. Because the Marxists in Antifa try to shut down free speech, they drive foolish people into the morally incorrect binary decision of supporting the alt-right, rather than loudly rejecting the ideology and violence of both sides.

7. The Media’s Broad Misusage Of The Term Alt-Right Grows The Alt-Right. Some members of the Leftist media have attempted to term large swaths of the right “alt-right” — just last week, some idiots in the media attempted to lump me in with the alt-right because I thought Google was wrong to fire James Damore. I am, for the record, perhaps the loudest voice against the alt-right in America, and I openly and repeatedly criticized Trump for failing to condemn the alt-right. For some evidence, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here,here, here, here, here and here. There’s a lot more where that came from. But the media seek to paint the entire right with the alt-right brush, even though the alt-right hates the Constitutional conservative right. That drives otherwise reasonable people into thinking that perhaps they are alt-right — and then they, in knee-jerk fashion, defend the actual alt-right because they’re confused about definitions. The Left needs to stop this nonsense immediately.

Charlottesville, Sacramento, Berkeley — we’re watching a microcosmic re-enactment of Weimar Republic brownshirt-vs.-reds violence in real-time, complete with the same flags being flown. Just as then, some leadership condemning the evil of alt-right white supremacy, the viciousness of hard-left Marxism, and the violence anyone commits in violation of basic rights should be unceasing and thunderous.

It’s not.

And so the problem is likely to metastasize.


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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 21:10:48 »
Some interesting photos from Charlottesville showing the ANTIFA and BLM counter protesters:



Note damage to this car (last car in above photo):


Notice also that the BRAKE LIGHTS ARE APPLIED

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 21:14:46 »
Libs Shun NYT Writer For Daring To Report On Antifa Violence In Virginia.  Seems like New York Times White House Correspondent Sheryl Gay Stolberg had to 'censor' or amend her tweets from Charlottesville.  Notice the replies to her tweets.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 21:31:34 »
Series of videos shot at Charlottesville.  First video (1 hr 28 min) one shows the Protest marchers attacked by BLM members using Bear Spray/Pepper Spray. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aGuKz2bc58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHCk0iDeBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZF9TvgsKyc

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealRedElephants/videos/458166431221827/?hc_location=ufi

Many more videos on those links to let you form your own decisions as to how violent the two opposing views can be.

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 22:13:32 »
Notice also that the BRAKE LIGHTS ARE APPLIED

I'm not an accident investigator, but I did not see skid marks from braking in the photos.

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2017, 22:17:21 »
Man, I'll hand it to you George. You find a great article to share, but then screw it up with a thread title that's basically just petulant screeching. Ironically, in a post that quite effectively shows the distinction between mainstream conservatism and the recently arisen neo-Fascist alt right, you manage in the very title to suggest that somehow the Antifa / BLM viewpoints are hallmarks of the mainstream left. That's not at all the case. Most normal people, whether they lay generally left' or 'right', have no interest in violence or extremism. There is a small but loud and angry enough core from either end who have gone past that point to some lesser or greater extent. And within America you of course also have the additional racial dynamic... Black Lives Matter and Antifa find themselves predictably aligned, though born of a different genesis.

Of the two, radical right wingers have shown time and again to be the single greatest threat of terrorist violence in America- the far left violence tends towards riots, the far right violence towards bombings and shootings.  That's by no means an absolute, but solid enough for there to be very clear statistical patterns observed by researchers. Unfortunately, the groups that possess the most guns and that seem most willing to parade about with them in public are those who deny the basic humanity of a whole lot of people due to the colour of their skin. The shift in American culture since the last election is genuinely frightening.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2017, 22:32:54 »
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2017, 16:16:30 »
So?  White Supremists, Neo Nazi and KKK are just a few of the groups that have been known for their racists actions and basically lumped under the title of "the RIGHT".  Meanwhile groups known for their violence and stifling of Freedom of Speech, like the BLM and Antifa are basically silently condoned by the "LEFT" as being the "righteous".  [Edit to add:  Let's assume that the Black Bloc are also more inclined to be part of the LEFT.]  Sorry, but both these extremes and the Political Correctness that is turning a blind eye to the violence of the Left is destroying, not only US, but now our, society.

Tell me what is the real difference in this video of extremists trying to "erase history" through destruction and violence?  Even Hitler's symbols were removed and placed in museums to remind us of failures in our society.  Are we really setting out to forget the past and have to replay it in the future?

Video to back up question:

https://www.facebook.com/MikeCernovich/videos/1274497132679336/?hc_ref=ARRDkyEs2GdNgcwyfdh_rsDPjZ96SVz4tohdtrVpVn5W_pUg6axF5khjf-wt2RlW4Wg
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2017, 17:31:06 »
Uploaded the wrong file testerday!! Unfortunately, the one I wanted to load is to large. However, this link to a Foreign Policy magazine article the Rise of White Supremists has a copy of the FBI Joint Intelligence Bulletin on "White Supremacist Extremism Poses Persistent Threat of Lethal Violence"  that I originally wanted to show.
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2017, 17:52:51 »
I don't think that there has been much rebranding by white supremacists. Just a veneer of propaganda. They're spouting the same old stuff in Charlottesville.

Very enlightening Vice News video here:

https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror

Vice aslo has an interesting article about why there are so many Confederate memorials throughout the States here:

https://news.vice.com/story/confederate-statues-are-all-over-states-that-werent-in-the-confederacy

It's interesting to note that much of this went on in the early 1900's and was concurrent with DW Griffith's 1915 movie "Birth of a Nation" which was responsible for a massive resurgence of the KKK (up to 4 million Americans had joined the Klan by 1924).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Refounding_in_1915

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2017, 17:56:37 »
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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2017, 19:08:12 »
So how about that news conference today....

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2017, 19:10:22 »
So how about that news conference today....

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Re: All things Charlottesville (merged)
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2017, 19:24:55 »
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I almost posted that same thing - brilliant.  Someone said he won Twitter for the day - I happen to agree.