Author Topic: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017  (Read 24793 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Colin P

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 114,225
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,419
  • Civilian
    • http://www.pacific.ccg-gcc.gc.ca

Offline recceguy

    A Usual Suspect.

  • At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. -P.J. O’Rouke-
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Myth
  • *
  • 258,642
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17,939
  • doddering docent to the museum of misanthropy
    • Army.ca
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #101 on: November 29, 2017, 16:03:50 »
Don't take my word for it,

https://suicideproject.org/2012/11/my-suicide-attempt-2/
There is now a pellet between my right eye and my retina. I lost my upper lip most of my nose, most of my teeth, and the tip of my tongue. I have double-vision, have had four surgeries this year, and have at least a few more to go. Until recently, I didn’t know slugs were so much more powerful than shells that fire bird shot.

One knowledgeable reader of this website wrote in to suggest that those using a shotgun should consider using shotgun shells that shoot slugs, which is one piece of lead instead of a number of smaller balls of lead. Or else if using shot, to use buckshot, which can come in 0.24 - 0.36 caliber, instead of 0.05 which is used for things like clay pigeon/skeet shooting. The higher the caliber, the bigger the pellets (meaning they better maintain their speed and energy on impact), but the less of them.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms

Shotgun suicide: Slug, buckshot or birdshot?
https://www.google.ca/search?rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-CA%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&dcr=0&biw=1280&bih=603&ei=3h4XWuGvH8uGjwPKoI3gCA&q=suicide+slug+birdshot+buckshot&oq=suicide+slug+birdshot+buckshot&gs_l=psy-ab.12..35i39k1.11021.13236.0.15531.8.8.0.0.0.0.171.1153.0j8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.635....0.EHwrxsRnaYs

Happens sometimes.

Quote
One knowledgeable reader of this website wrote in to suggest that those using a shotgun should consider using shotgun shells that shoot slugs, which is one piece of lead instead of a number of smaller balls of lead. Or else if using shot, to use buckshot, which can come in 0.24 - 0.36 caliber, instead of 0.05 which is used for things like clay pigeon/skeet shooting. The higher the caliber, the bigger the pellets (meaning they better maintain their speed and energy on impact), but the less of them.

Really not very knowledgeable at all. Shot guns are designated by gauge, except for a .410, which is a caliber. Speaking of gauges, our 'knowledgeable' reader forgot to mention which gauge of shotgun he was using for his results. Shot sizes range from #12 which is the 0.05 diameter of a single pellet (2300 to the ounce). This is roughly equivalent to table salt and is used in pistol shot shells. Next is #9 and continues to all the way to #2, at .148 in dia. (90/oz). Then you have BB shot - .18 in dia @50/oz. Then buckshot #4 buck - .24, 21/oz up to 000 buck -.36, 6.2/oz. Shot diameter INCREASES as the shot number DECREASES because shotguns are sorted by gauge, not caliber. Contrary to what the 'knowledgeable' reader says. Gauge is based on how many of the same sized ball, the diameter of the bore, that will equal one pound. 12 gauge = 12 balls, 28 gauge = 28 balls. The ludicrous example sighted by the 'knowledgeable' expert of using #12 shot is very telling. I have only ever seen #12 shot, called snake or pepper shot in pistol cartridges. There has been shotgun shells loaded with it, but you'd be hard pressed to find a modern load of it. This is the stuff the 'knowledgeable' sites as his example. I don't think he's very knowledgeable at all. At least not in the sense of shotgunning. That's the risk with providing links to subjects you know little about. Otherwise you would have caught all the bullshit your 'knowledgeable' reader was spewing. But you found it on the internet, so it must be true ;)

My experience with this is practical and hands on, as I assume some of your stuff has been. Trust me, someone can miss with slugs and buck also. Birdshot will do the job very effectively as my retrieval of eyeballs, bone, teeth and meat can attest. Does it really matter which load you use? I think not.
“I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.”

John G. Diefenbaker

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 471,515
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,350
    • The job.
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #102 on: November 29, 2017, 16:07:39 »
But you found it on the internet, so it must be true ;)

Don't take my word for it,

I didn't think you would take my word for it after working 9-1-1 full-time for over 36 years.  :)

So, I posted references to support what I already knew from experience.

My experience with this is practical and hands on, as I assume some of your stuff has been.

When did you work 9-1-1?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2017, 16:25:29 by mariomike »

Offline recceguy

    A Usual Suspect.

  • At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. -P.J. O’Rouke-
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Myth
  • *
  • 258,642
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17,939
  • doddering docent to the museum of misanthropy
    • Army.ca
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #103 on: November 29, 2017, 16:37:51 »
I didn't think you would take my word for it after working 9-1-1 full-time for over 36 years.  :)

So, I posted references to support what I already knew from experience.

When did you work 9-1-1?

I've never worked 911, nor ever professed to, ever, anywhere. My job is responding to and investigating industrial workplace deaths and injuries, issuing charges and taking the offenders to court. I'm usually on scene at the same time as the first responders, trying to secure the scene before they contaminate and/ or destroy it. The bucket boys are the worst.

However, to the point you are trying to pin me down on. When someone violently spreads their DNA around a room, the family is responsible for the cleanup. They can get a company to do it or they can ask family friends and relatives. I was asked by three families to assist them cleaning up. They wanted to keep things low key and as private as possible. I knew the three victims extremely well. Family members are normally so grief stricken, they just get in the way. So I prefer to do it without them there. It's what true friends are for and I don't take that responsibility lightly.

And why the indignation. "I didn't think you would take my word for it after working 9-1-1 full-time for over 36 years." I'm more than aware of your experience and even referenced it. I never attacked you or your integrity. Simply explained why the 'knowledgeable' reader wasn't and people have to be careful about the 'expert testimonial links" they provide.

So, now I'm offended that your offended.
“I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.”

John G. Diefenbaker

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 200,175
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 11,776
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
After the Las Vegas shooting massacre, survival can be excruciating
« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2018, 09:38:55 »
After the Las Vegas shooting massacre, survival can be excruciating

On Rosemarie Melanson’s 153rd night in the hospital, she starts to vomit and can’t stop. She pulls her knees to her chest, closes her eyes and coughs bits of strawberry banana smoothie into a plastic bin her husband, Steve, holds for her.
Stephanie, their eldest daughter, stands beside the bed, her gaze fixed on the wall. She’d brought the smoothie for Rosemarie, thinking it would be a treat. But her mother has been unable to keep down food since she was shot in the upper body at a country music festival on the Las Vegas Strip more than five months ago.
When the heaving subsides, Stephanie offers a whisper: “I’m sorry mom.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-the-las-vegas-shooting-massacre-survival-can-be-excruciating/2018/03/10/23fd3998-23aa-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html?utm_term=.853af37c1731&wpisrc=al_trending_now__alert-national&wpmk=1
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 471,515
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,350
    • The job.
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2018, 15:01:15 »
QUOTE

Triage and Response Lessons From the Las Vegas Shooting

LAS VEGAS — Victims fleeing the Route 91 Harvest music festival shooting in October unintentionally thwarted emergency first responders’ efforts to conduct triage on site by self-transporting themselves to hospitals in larger-than-anticipated numbers.

Ambulances were lined up waiting to dispatch, but the immediate chaos at the scene and lack of a location on the shooter delayed the city’s response.

"Once we were able to determine the one and only shooter was shot, we were able to secure the scene in such a way as to provide more of that triage and transport in a more orderly fashion. But by then many people had already left on their own, going in their own direction seeking resources and treatment.”

Hospitals didn’t have the resources to handle self-transports.

Full story at link:
https://www.routefifty.com/public-safety/2018/04/triage-and-response-lessons-las-vegas-shooting/147795/

END QUOTE

Offline whiskey601

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 21,035
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,504
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2018, 19:46:53 »

So, now I'm offended that your offended.

You've been watching this guy eh? https://youtu.be/F-mju_gW3c8

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 471,515
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,350
    • The job.
Re: 58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2018, 20:25:05 »
You've been watching this guy eh? https://youtu.be/F-mju_gW3c8

I'm never offended by anonymous strangers on the internet.

No offence.  :)