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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #175 on: December 06, 2017, 17:27:13 »
Forgive my crudeness but I can't resist. I found the Department responses interesting.  I was not sure if they were kissing the AG's rear or giving him a prostate examination.  After and the timing of the CMR announcement, I know now know which.  Priceless subtlety.

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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2017, 08:16:57 »
As a charm school graduate, I've never at any point believed that my military school experience made me a better officer than my DEO or ROTC civy U peers.  Actually, it's taken me decades to work through the neuroses that I developed there. 

But I did leave there with a huge network of friends and friendly acquaintances, initially within the military, and now spread throughout the military, public service, and public sector.  Throughout my career, it's amazing how often I've been able to find the SMEs across the environments that I needed to fix problems.  My civilian friends don't seem to have the same breadth of connections from their university years. 

As well, I left CMR as a bilingual Anglophone.  I do believe that CMR was the best place for Anglos to effectively learn French.

Are the military colleges value for money?  I don't think it's clear cut and I can't venture an opinion as I haven't worked with a young milcol officer in decades.  But I do think it's a valuable conversation.

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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #177 on: December 08, 2017, 08:42:04 »
Are the military colleges value for money?  I don't think it's clear cut....
It seems pretty clear to the Auditor General, and to anyone actually having read the report.

Of course, it doesn't matter since the response to RMC's failed assessment is to double-down with CMR; clearly a better investment than timely procurement.

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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #178 on: December 08, 2017, 09:23:22 »
Forgive my crudeness but I can't resist. I found the Department responses interesting.  I was not sure if they were kissing the AG's rear or giving him a prostate examination.  After and the timing of the CMR announcement, I know now know which.  Priceless subtlety.

The tone of their response has to do with the time between flash and bang for the AG!  Between the time that the AG started their research and they finally publicly released their recommendations the SSAV occurred.  What is evident in DND's response is - we know, we got this, thanks for stating the obvious, now get out of the construction zone!
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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #179 on: December 08, 2017, 09:30:54 »
As a charm school graduate, I've never at any point believed that my military school experience made me a better officer than my DEO or ROTC civy U peers.  Actually, it's taken me decades to work through the neuroses that I developed there. 

But I did leave there with a huge network of friends and friendly acquaintances, initially within the military, and now spread throughout the military, public service, and public sector.  Throughout my career, it's amazing how often I've been able to find the SMEs across the environments that I needed to fix problems.  My civilian friends don't seem to have the same breadth of connections from their university years. 

As well, I left CMR as a bilingual Anglophone.  I do believe that CMR was the best place for Anglos to effectively learn French.

Are the military colleges value for money?  I don't think it's clear cut and I can't venture an opinion as I haven't worked with a young milcol officer in decades.  But I do think it's a valuable conversation.

Cheers,

AK

I went to Sandhurst, and Gagetown, and have had similar 'networking' experiences, fortunately, minus the academic trials and tribulations and a few of the psychological after effects - based on what the voices are telling me  ;D
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Re: Auditor General Suggests RMC Not Working
« Reply #180 on: December 14, 2017, 13:58:05 »
Did your RMC pers friends/contacts/acquaintances point out that it was in fact only female cadets who responded and challenged Ms. Lalonde (she's not a Mrs. as you incorrectly state, a detail, but there is difference in the way Mrs. and many Ms. view things) and that the responses were not to the extreme that Ms. Lalonde claimed?  For my part, through second-hand recounting of the proceedings, to include my son, several other male and female cadets I know, and a number of the college senior military staff I've known for decades, all recounted the incident without variation as described above.  That is also why the College now has an SOP of videoing all guest speakers...and it's not for posterity's sake, I would imagine (#jagrecommendations).  That said, BG45, you are certainly entitled to hold whatever impression you wish, regarding both the incident specifically, and the suitability of cadets collected from across the country to capably represent communities from...well, across the country.

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Bit of a necro-post, but the RMC pers I talked to was one of the organizers. What she told me was that there was in fact a mix of males and females with the third year session being the only one which really had a larger percentage of females than males (partially because by that point people were being warned against making a scene according to the SH rep). I'm also aware that the opinion of many was that the comments weren't as bad as what was let on and that perhaps Ms (you're quite right, she isn't married) Lalonde was likely used to speaking to like-minded persons elsewhere and wasn't used to being questioned. They were also upset about losing a weekend after having lost several leading up to this (which, tbh, is a terrible excuse but at least understandable).

As for letting me have whatever opinion I want, that's very magnanimous of you.