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HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« on: January 30, 2018, 09:23:04 »
Good news! The HMCS Sackville will get foundings for repairs!

https://navaltoday.com/2018/01/30/canada-repairing-museum-ship-hmcs-sackville/

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 10:09:00 »
What they need to do is either pull her out of the water and place her in a building on a cradle, or cement her into the ground as a permanent monument.  This floating and rotting thing is terrible.  Do the same thing as well for HMCS Haida who had similar work done last winter.  I understand the attraction of having a floating ship but ships were not made to float forever. 

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 10:39:21 »
After a BOA ceremony three years ago, I was speaking with a retired Admiral. He was canvasing for the Naval Trust and he mentioned the leading proposal is to get her indoors, under a roof, on display for the public. An idea like that will take a lot of funding and commitment to our Naval history.
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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 11:11:41 »
After a BOA ceremony three years ago, I was speaking with a retired Admiral. He was canvasing for the Naval Trust and he mentioned the leading proposal is to get her indoors, under a roof, on display for the public. An idea like that will take a lot of funding and commitment to our Naval history.


This may the project about which you are thinking; I am a (modest) supporter.
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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 11:21:57 »
I do get the point of getting them out of the water, they wouldnt need as much money to keep them in good shape, but I can't keep thinking they should make one of the 2 (Sackville or Haida) in working condition, like many navies did with their iconic ships! The Aurora cruiser can still move on her own power!

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 11:25:51 »

This may the project about which you are thinking; I am a (modest) supporter.

I have never see that before ERC.  Thanks for the share. 

Its a shame we don't celebrate what could be debated as our greatest contribution in WW2 as much as we should.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 11:37:11 »
We're having trouble finding parts for ships that are of recent build, the CPF.  Never mind something 80 years old.  Manufacturers go out of business, original drawings and specifications are lost or degrade to unusability.  This requires you to try and re-engineer parts, source possible manufactures who might be willing to make what you need.

The costs are staggering.  In Preserver's refit in 2003/4 the casings for the steam driven cargo pumps had deteriorated to the point that they required replacing.  The OEM was no longer in business.  These casings, three of them, had to be custom made.  The cost was $1.5M each.

Sackville's propeller is gone, was sild for scrap value some years past.  I would hate to think of hiw much a new one would cost.

I agree.  It would be lovely to see them in as new/operating condition.  But realistically the costs/efforts would be prohibitive to do and maintain. 

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 12:17:37 »
E.R.C.,

Yes! That was the flier he had on hand when discussing the project with people. Thank you for the link.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 13:10:05 »
yea who could possibly do that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Jeremiah_O%27Brien  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_John_W._Brown

Sure, Colin, anything is possible if you throw enough money into it.  Just how much money do you want to throw?  I don't think you're going to find support enough to make Sackville or Haida sail on their own again.  The Memorial Trust folks are having a hard enough time to make what E.R. linked happen.  Might be a different story if we had as large a population to chip in as the Liberty ships do in the US.

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 14:27:32 »
We have more than enough people to cover the costs of restoration and operation without drawing on any budget.  What we don't have are enough Canadians with pride in their heritage: perhaps because the majority don't have any historical ties.  After all most families didn't arrive until post-war and many of them were on the other side during the war.

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 16:24:43 »
They probably want to fix her up and recommission her :whistle:
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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 19:53:06 »
Maybe they can get the folks who did the Bluenose II to do the job?  After dragging that out for seven years, I'm sure they have lots of experience now.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 20:10:29 »
That's not even funny.  As a NS taxpayer, I'm really pissed off at Darryl Dexter and his NDP.

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 09:23:39 »
For me, any money given to preserve them is good. hopefully, none of those two will end up like the Fraser...

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2018, 10:03:18 »
They probably want to fix her up and recommission her :whistle:

Well, there are lots of non-navy types in these fora that constantly insist, in the various Navy fora, that we trade some frigates/CSC for a greater number of corvettes. That would grant them their wish.  ;D

But I agree with Underway: Land the sucker, and HMCS HAIDA while you're at it. I'll go one further (and commit a sacrilege according to the old hands who served on those and are still around), once landed, cut bloody door size openings on the side of their hulls so visitors can safely access the lower levels - and see what a steamship engine room or boiler room looks like and the mess decks that seamen had to live in.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2018, 16:13:43 »
Nothing wrong with well armed corvettes as long as they don't take away from the frigate force.   I can remember the Canadian Sovereignty Enforcement Vessel idea, which was basically an underarmed corvette. Everybody dreaded the prospect of bouncing around in something smaller than the DDE/IRE. And then along came the MCDV....

I like what the RAN did with the Perth class as a preservation project:

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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2018, 16:30:27 »
That's just an easy way to store spare parts. :)
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Re: HMCS Sackville will be repaired!
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2018, 10:06:30 »
Nothing wrong with well armed corvettes as long as they don't take away from the frigate force.   

There's the rub.  Limited pers, limited resources, where are they going to go? 

I like what the RAN did with the Perth class as a preservation project:

I have heard parts of the Iroquois will be on display at some point at the Military history museum in Ottawa.