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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 00:27:29 »
It's called the silent service for a reason. There is reason to keep our naval's spies from being compromised. It has absolutely nothing to do with shame.

Hell, submariners wear "dolphins" on their uniforms.  If you know what they look like (and they're on a pretty conspicuous part of the uniform) then it's like a neon sign saying "I'm a submariner".  Not really something that "spies" would do.
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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 06:23:22 »
It's my understanding that among the tasks of a Canadian SSK is Sigint. Sigint is intelligence: as in Signal Intelligence. If I were order naval personnel to do Sigint, I would not have a frigate perform that task.

SIGINT?   I doubt it.   They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.  At least they didn’t when I was on boats.   Your average radar detector in your car is probably more complicated than the ESM suite on the Victoria class..

As for the silent service bit, I had always assumed that it was because we snuck around under the waves undetected, you know, silently...


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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 07:21:52 »
SIGINT?   I doubt it.   They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.  At least they didn’t when I was on boats.   Your average radar detector in your car is probably more complicated than the ESM suite on the Victoria class..

As for the silent service bit, I had always assumed that it was because we snuck around under the waves undetected, you know, silently...

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Armoured Recce screens the battlespace, submarines screen the battlespace; therefore armoured recce = submarines!

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 07:25:59 »
TAPV.  VASA.  Compare.
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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 09:35:39 »
SIGINT?   I doubt it.   They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.

First of all DH, Sigint is usually done by communications people, not sensor op. Second, there are all sorts of levels and involvement with Sigint. Nobody is suggesting that either  a ship or a submarine can actually collect, compile, code break, analyze and develop the intelligence information all by themselves.

But there are all sorts of things that anyone can do to contribute to Sigint, and some more than others for various reasons.

Heck! In the early 80's, on the Gate vessels of all ships, we had this beautiful (all lamps - no transistors - and hand tuned) Marconi multi-freq general purpose receiver. Whenever we were near those Soviet fishing vessels and fishing processing ships, we always tried to tune in to their comms and when we did manage, we simply recorded on small tape recorders with particulars of day, time and location to turn in to Marcom HQ upon return. That's Sigint at its simplest level.

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 09:38:26 »
therefore armoured recce = submarines!

Sure! That will be so only when the TAPV's can take out an enemy tank regiment by itself and live to see the end of the day.

A submarine can take out the enemy's carrier, possibly a couple of the escorts and still have a better than even chance of escaping from its escort's attempt at revenge.  ;D

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 09:53:43 »
The TAPV does have a " boat shaped hull", maybe they can have an associate membership?

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 10:18:06 »
Sure! That will be so only when the TAPV's can take out an enemy tank regiment by itself and live to see the end of the day.

A submarine can take out the enemy's carrier, possibly a couple of the escorts and still have a better than even chance of escaping from its escort's attempt at revenge.  ;D

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The TAPV does have a " boat shaped hull", maybe they can have an associate membership?

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 15:07:42 »
Why use military logic when you can use Trump logic?

"We are going to build a wall with Mexico! China's got a wall, they don't have a Mexican Problem!"

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Re: HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2018, 06:16:22 »
First of all DH, Sigint is usually done by communications people, not sensor op. Second, there are all sorts of levels and involvement with Sigint. Nobody is suggesting that either  a ship or a submarine can actually collect, compile, code break, analyze and develop the intelligence information all by themselves.

I know who does SIGINT, I’m also aware that SIGINT can be performed using the simple pieces of kit.  You could use a Motorola PTT from Canadian Tire if you wanted to.

SIGINT/COMINT/ELINT are areas in which we are severely lacking in the CAF.  The point I was trying to make was that if we aren’t going to take the simple function of ESM seriously on the Vic, then I seriously doubt that there are Comms Research folks onboard or analyzing comms recordings from the Chi back home.