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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #425 on: March 21, 2015, 17:57:53 »
Common Army Phase is referred to by a number of names: CAP, Phase 2, etc.   IODP 1.1 is the Infantry Officer Development Programme 1.1 (Dismounted Platoon Commander) and would be considered the "professional development" period for Infantry officers (at least that is the common usage here on the site).
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #426 on: March 21, 2015, 18:00:37 »
Thank you for the answers. I hope to become a great military engineer.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #427 on: March 21, 2015, 18:35:38 »
Good Luck!
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #428 on: March 30, 2015, 18:23:54 »

As an OCdt (which you will be until the completion of Basic) you have not received a commission - Ergo you hold no "superior" rank over even a Pte and everyone you meet in the military technically outranks you.  This is often misunderstood even among serving members....

 Many will feel you don't deserve the "sir" until after you are finished all of your qualification training, but it varies.

Umm.  No.

The National Defence Act clearly places officer/naval cadets superior to all NCM ranks in the rank scale (although woe betide the young officer/naval cadet who tries to pull rank on the RSM or Coxswain  ;D).  Officer/naval cadets are still officers.  Strictly speaking, they are "subordinate officers" (as opposed to junior, senior or flag/general officers), but officers nonetheless.  As they are not commissioned (which does not mean they are "non-commisioned members" or "non-commisioned officers"), they are not normally saluted (although it's on wrong to salute them), but they are properly addressed as "Sir" or "Ma'am."
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #429 on: March 31, 2015, 13:29:04 »
Couldn't find it in the NDA (save for it shall be enforced along established military tradition, etc) so I decided to start digging.  Found it in the QR&O's.

(In short, if you don't want to read, my statement above was completely wrong and here is why.  Though until the individual signs his VIE, he's technically still a civilian and "sir" is being polite)

QR&O's section 3.01 - RANKS AND DESIGNATIONS OF RANK

(1) The ranks of officers and non-commissioned members shall be as set out in Column I of the Schedule to the National Defence Act, which provides:

I

OFFICERS

    General
    Lieutenant-General
    Major-General
    Brigadier-General
    Colonel
    Lieutenant-Colonel
    Major
    Captain
    Lieutenant
    Second Lieutenant
    Officer Cadet

II

NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS

    Chief Warrant Officer
    Master Warrant Officer
    Warrant Officer
    Sergeant
    Corporal
    Private

Which in turn in reinforced by:

3.09 - ORDER OF SENIORITY

(1) An officer takes seniority over all non-commissioned members.

and

3.20 - COMMAND GENERALLY

In cases not otherwise provided for in QR&O, command shall be exercised by:

    the senior officer present;
    in the absence of an officer, the senior non-commissioned member present; or
    any other officer or non-commissioned member, where specifically authorized by the Chief of the Defence Staff, an officer commanding a command or formation or a commanding officer.

Absolutely no mention of commissioning as the grounds for exercising authority/command.  I had been instructed in error previously and now have the correct answer.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #430 on: April 02, 2015, 19:05:37 »
Couldn't find it in the NDA

The table of ranks is in the Schedule (i.e. at the end)
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #431 on: April 04, 2015, 05:36:34 »
Queen's Regulations and Orders (QR&Os)
Volume I - Chapter 3 Rank, Seniority, Command and Precedence
Section 1 – Rank and Seniority[/b]
3.01 - RANKS AND DESIGNATIONS OF RANK
(1) The ranks of officers and non-commissioned members shall be as set out in Column I of the Schedule to the National Defence Act, which provides:

I

OFFICERS

General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Brigadier-General
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
Officer Cadet

II

NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS

Chief Warrant Officer
Master Warrant Officer
Warrant Officer
Sergeant
Corporal
Private

(2) An officer or non-commissioned member who, on or after the date this article comes into force (18 September 1986), holds a rank in the Canadian Forces set out in paragraph (1) and who, in accordance with orders and instructions issued by the Chief of the Defence Staff wears a naval uniform, shall use and be referred to by the designation of rank set out in Column II of the Schedule to the National Defence Act having the same serial number as that of his rank in paragraph (1), and reference in this paragraph to the rank held by an officer or non-commissioned member includes any rank to which the member may be promoted, reduced or reverted from time to time.

(3) Except in accordance with paragraph (2), no officer or non-commissioned member shall, after the coming into force of this article, use or be referred to by a designation of rank other than as set out in Column I of the Schedule to the National Defence Act.

(4) The ranks set out in paragraph (1) shall be used in all official communications within the Canadian Forces, except with respect to officers and non-commissioned members referred to in paragraph (2) for whom the rank designations set out in Column II of the Schedule to the National Defence Act shall be used

National Defence Act (R.S.C., 1985, c.N-5)

Powers of Command

Marginal note:Authority of officers and non-commissioned members

19. The authority and powers of command of officers and non-commissioned members shall be as prescribed in regulations. <-- schedule
R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 19;R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60.

Schedule (National Defence Act, R.S.C., 1985)
(Section 21)
LINK
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/N-5/page-149.html#h-228
SCHEDULE TABLE
Column IColumn IIColumn IIIColumn IV
OFFICER
1.GeneralAdmiralGeneralAir Chief Marshal
2.Lieutenant-GeneralVice-AdmiralLieutenant-GeneralAir Marshal
3.Major-GeneralRear-AdmiralMajor-GeneralAir Vice-Marshal
4.Brigadier-GeneralCommodoreBrigadierAir Commodore
5.ColonelCaptainColonelGroup Captain
6.Lieutenent-ColonelCommanderLieutenant-ColonelWing Commander
7.MajorLieutenant-CommanderMajorSquadron Leader
8.CaptainLieutenantCaptainFlight Lieutenant
9.LieutenantSub-Lieutenant Commissioned OfficerLieutenantFlying Officer
10.Second LieutenantActing Sub-Lieutenant2nd LieutenantPilot Officer
11.Officer CadetMidshipman
Naval Cadet
Provisional 2nd Lieutenant
Officer Cadet
Officer Cadet
Non-commissioned Members
12.Chief Warrant
Officer
Chief Petty Officer, 1st ClassWarrant Officer
Class 1
Warrant Officer,
Class 1
13.Master Warrant
Officer
Chief Petty Officer, 2nd ClassWarrant Officer
Class 2
Warrant Officer,
Class 2
14.Warrant OfficerPetty Officer,
1st Class
Squadron-Quarter-
master-Sergeant,

Battery-Quarter-
master-Sergeant,

Company-Quarter-
master-Sergeant,

Staff Sergeant
Flight Sergeant
15.SergeantPetty Officer,
2nd Class
SergeantSergeant
16.CorporalLeading SeamanCorporal
Bombardier
Corporal
17.PrivateAble Seaman
Ordinary Seaman
Trooper
Gunner Sapper
Signalman
Private
Guardsman
Fusilier
Rifleman
Craftsman

I combined everything for you guys :) And I am officially an officer cadet now. On leave until June 1st BMOQ.  :salute: :cdn:

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #432 on: April 08, 2015, 00:48:44 »
Any plans to reinstate signing incentives for DEOs? In particular medical officers?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #433 on: May 28, 2015, 17:09:37 »
A rewarding career in service to Her Royal Majesty is not incentive enough?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #434 on: May 29, 2015, 07:05:28 »
A rewarding career in service to Her Royal Majesty is not incentive enough?

Lets be real here, we know this isn't the case for a lot of people.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #435 on: May 29, 2015, 08:29:43 »
In return for loyal service, She pays generously, provides all required training to Her loyal servants at no cost to them, affords bounteous opportunity for travel, lavishes stylish clothing in ample quantities (subject to the whims of Her less-perfect agents, admittedly), and looks after one's medical and health needs.

Such generosity and benevolence is seldom extended to unskilled and unproven prospective employees by any other employer.

Yet some hold out their open hands and beg for more...?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #436 on: May 29, 2015, 09:00:38 »
and looks after one's medical and health needs.

In Ontario (and some other provinces), you'll pay a small "fee" for that....   ;)
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #437 on: June 01, 2015, 17:24:42 »
In Ontario (and some other provinces), you'll pay a small "fee" for that....   ;)

Only if you have dependents as that is whom you are paying for.  CF members pay "nothing" for their medical care (nothing in the sense that there is a deduction from your pay - we "pay" in other ways).
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #438 on: June 01, 2015, 17:26:17 »
Only if you have dependents as that is whom you are paying for.  CF members pay "nothing" for their medical care (nothing in the sense that there is a deduction from your pay - we "pay" in other ways).

I never said it was deducted from the pay.  However, dependents or not, people residing in Ontario pay every year.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #439 on: June 01, 2015, 18:11:17 »
I never said it was deducted from the pay.  However, dependents or not, people residing in Ontario pay every year.

i see what you mean now.  I thought you were referring to something like BC Medical premiums that members with dependents pay there.  On the other hand, Ontario has instituted a blatant tax grab which CF members still have to pay, even though we get no benefit from it.  So, in a sense we're still not paying for our own medical care in Ontario as we are simply paying for a system we're not allowed to use.   >:(
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #440 on: May 30, 2016, 19:22:49 »
Direct Entry Officer (DEO)  -  A student currently in the final year of a degree program is also eligible to apply as a DEO.

Asked and answered in Ask a CAF Recruiter. Adding for reference,

http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,117753.msg1437682/topicseen.html#new
"Once you begin your final year of your degree you can submit your application for the direct entry officer entry plan."


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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #441 on: July 17, 2016, 19:10:30 »
Hi there, I'm currently a year away from completing a computer science degree and was interested in Joining the regular force. As far as the joining through DEO is anyone aware of which specialties or jobs I may be eligible for with a Computer Science degree?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #442 on: July 17, 2016, 22:26:42 »
I believe it's one of the sought after degrees for Signal Officer. There's a list of them somewhere here on the site.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #443 on: July 22, 2016, 12:53:16 »
Hi there, I'm currently a year away from completing a computer science degree and was interested in Joining the regular force. As far as the joining through DEO is anyone aware of which specialties or jobs I may be eligible for with a Computer Science degree?

There are a few where it is an ideal degree and others where it is acceptable.  I recommend you go to a recruiting center and see what your options are.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #444 on: December 01, 2016, 18:32:25 »
Good day.

Thanks to some of the administrative staff from these forums, I was able to get back in touch directly with the local CFRC and the staff there. Thank you very much for your assistance. I sincerely appreciate it.

I spoke with a Petty Officer who is looking over my file. He confirmed, that all the docs from my PLAR were in hand. He further noted that I was "merited" for the JAG Board sitting in February and that presently, there are 10 spaces open and I was ranked 28th with approximately 240 people behind me. This raised a couple of questions

1. What is the Function of the February Board? I haven't had a medical or an interview. Is the JAG Board itself the interview, or is the board going to select individuals to take part in the interview/ medical? I have heard that the medical usually precedes the interview, in case there are medical disqualifiers that need to be checked before taking the time to sit down and discuss things.

2. What does the ranking have to do with the process? Does the Board perform whatever function it performs for ALL the applicants, or is there some kind of cut off? I.E. would my ranking be sufficient to actually make the Board- whatever its function happens to be?


Thank you in advance for any help anyone is able to provide. As I've noted before this forum is an invaluable resource for aspiring CAF Members.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #445 on: January 06, 2017, 14:23:05 »
I'd be interested in the response to this... but I would guess that if you haven't heard anything yet (I haven't either), then you may not be in for this round...

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Recruiting Centre: CFRC Victoria
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
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Trade Choice 2:
Trade Choice 3:
Application Date: 10 Oct 2016
CFAT: 1 Nov 2016
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Position Offered:
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #446 on: January 10, 2017, 00:34:02 »
I had similar thoughts. I'll try and get some additional info from the CFRC. If I find anything out, I will post it.


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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #447 on: January 11, 2017, 17:53:10 »
I've been looking into joining the Forces through DEO plan. I currently have a year left on my Degree which is Bachelors in Business Admin - Accounting Track. My question is when should i begin my application process. Am I able to start the application before I have graduated and is starting to do so a year in advance beneficial?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #448 on: January 12, 2017, 08:48:24 »
Hello Donomite25,

Your question was answered earlier in this thread: "A student currently in the final year of a degree program is also eligible to apply as a DEO."

Applying earlier than later is always beneficial for the applicant.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #449 on: January 12, 2017, 09:02:10 »
Good Day,

Legal Officer applicants are treated slightly different than other applicants.  Normally the medical does come before the interview (done by CFRC) for most applicants, but your interview is being done by the Legal Branch and comes before the rest of the recruiting process that will be done by the CFRC.  Essentially the Legal Branch Merit Board determines who will continue in the process to possibly become a Legal Officer.

Your ranking in the Legal Branch interview/board absolutely determines where you will be for the rest of the process.  For example, if the Legal Branch board finds you unsuitable for employment than your application for the CAF as a Legal Officer will cease; you may still be able to enroll in the CAF just not as a Legal Officer.

I would advise that you don't put much weight on the number of people in front of you at the moment.  The Board won't stop at 10 people, they will rank beyond that as there are many factors that can cause someone's application to come to an end after the Legal Branch Board (e.g. medical, security, etc).

Cheers,