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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2004, 12:17:25 »
I'm going to head down to the CFRC today and ask for a copy of my COE.  I have no idea what IPC I'm starting at (the clerk "guessed" it was just basic, with no IPC), but if Infantry is getting IPC1, then I think I'd be no worse than that?  Unless it is just experience, and because I have none (other than my summer work experience), I get nuthin'.

It doesn't matter much, but I'm going to get this settled.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2004, 12:50:54 »
40 pages of notes? Wow - you will certainly have a lot of info. I had a DEO interview on 29 June of this year at CFRC Kitchener that was   conducted by an Airforce Captain. Lasted about 2 hours, lots of questions about high school and educational experience. Don't sweat it. My sense is that they want to guage your character and ability to learn about your trade as opposed to what you might know right now. Good luck.
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I agree.  Key point being "don't sweat it".  The interview is fairly straightforward.  I don't remember mine lasting much longer than 45 min or so.  I was also under the impression that the main intent was to determine your character strengths and wweaknesses  Keep in mind that it is possible to be over-prepared for an interview.  The purpose of the interview is to find out about you, NOT about the people on these forums or other websites.  The last thing you want to do is to start bs'ing your way through the interview.  Just be honest.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2004, 18:33:16 »
Well, I guess I've got IPC2 as well, which is what I expected from all the points raised here.  When I first went in there I explained the situation, and that I wanted to determine my IPC level because I was told I'd be Basic but others were told different things.  The Naval Lt. there told me that others were likely receiving IPC2 because of prior reserves service.  She then went to double check and determined I was actually granted IPC2, and she had no idea why.  So she said she wanted to check into it further on Monday.  I think the engineering degree is the logical explanation (with Casing's information, especially), but I guess she hadn't encountered this situation before.


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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2004, 23:17:44 »
A little late coming to the party, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

When I went to the CFRC for the paperwork and everything, i.e. posting messages. The one who was helping out with everything mentioned that those in the engineering trade would start at IPC 2. That seemed to be regardless of work experience because another OCdt (2LT now as well as myself) had quite a bit of work experience and had IPC 2. OTOH I had minimal work experience, but had a Master's and I got IPC 3.

Hopefully that helps shed a bit of light on it... as far as the engineering trade is concerned.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2005, 15:51:52 »
I was wondering if anybody knows how often the selection boards meet for DEO positions.  I am interested in 2 career paths - Logistics Officer or Health Care Administration Officer.  If anybody can help me out I'd appreciate it.


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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2005, 00:00:50 »
I may be wrong but as I understand it from other posts I have read on Army.ca,  DEO boards meet once a year.  Every Oct/Nov.  A search of Army.ca using keywords like "DEO selection", or "selection boards" may result in the definite answer you are looking for. :)

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2005, 00:08:29 »
I was wondering if anybody knows how often the selection boards meet for DEO positions.   I am interested in 2 career paths - Logistics Officer or Health Care Administration Officer.   If anybody can help me out I'd appreciate it.



The DEO boards sit two times a year:

Oct/Nov
May.

More boards may be held on a as required basis.

See my posts in the Logistics Officer thread for more on LOG O.  HCA has very few positions available for the next board so of course the most competitive will get them.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2005, 23:56:51 »
Well all the files are off and away as of a couple of weeks ago.  I am hoping for a spot in the September intake for DEO applicants and was wondering when I should have the word.

I have done a search and found that Pieman was good enough to post this:

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My file manager says he has to send out my application to the board by May 12th, and then they start to review it. He said that offers should start to trickle in starting in June.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,30276.0.html

Great, so if I am getting an offer for Sept. I should be part of that trickle beginning in June ...so when does the trickle stop?  Can anyone tell me when should I stop hoping for an offer for September ...and start hoping for one for January?  When will I know that I am definitely not being offered a spot in September?

Any insight is appreciated.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2005, 07:55:42 »
I would think your recruiting center would be kind enough to let you know if you are not being given an offer. Give them a call once a week; they are likely quite busy this time of year. They should know if the position you are applying for is filled for September after a reasonable amount of time; I would think 2-4 weeks. I'm sure Kincanucks would be privy to that information if you told him the position you are applying for.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2005, 08:07:00 »
Depending on the occupation the board dates are anywhere from end May to mid Jun.  Results are usually, hopefully, out a couple of weeks after the last board and will detail who was selected, who was waitlisted and who was not selected.  THe CFRC/Ds will contact everyone in due time.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2005, 17:03:42 »
Thank-you for the feedback guys.

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Results are usually, hopefully, out a couple of weeks after the last board and will detail who was selected, who was waitlisted and who was not selected.  THe CFRC/Ds will contact everyone in due time.

kincanucks - My hat is off to you sir.

Uberman -  My file handleer seems like a nice fellow.  If he is able to I'm sure he will tell me if i have not been selected as soon as he knows.  I will definitely stay in touch. 

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2005, 14:31:16 »
Hey there all. I am doing my third year in college in Electrical Engineering. I will do a 1 year stunt in univeristy to gain my degree so I can apply as an Officer.

I want to know of others who have applied for DEO, or those who are finaly in the forces doing this? Just want to know about the bonus you receive, time you must serve, do you like it or regret it? Just overal experience you have encountered. I am seriously considering this as a career, so just want to know if anyone can tell me more about it.  I have read alot on the website and just want to know from a point of view inside this whole process.


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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2005, 03:13:20 »
If you are certain that this is a career path for you, start the application process as soon as you can. It can take a very long time and the sooner you get the application process moving, the better.

From what I understand, you can start the process before you get your degree, and CFRC should process your application up till a point pending you complete it. (Not sure how far they will process your application durring that time, but it is better to start sooner than later)

Really, stop by the recruiting center and talk to them. Get the ball rolling if you can.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2005, 12:28:23 »
Hi, this is for anyone who knows but especially for Kincanucks if he is around.

Is the process for selecting a DEO the same as for NCM's?  In one of Kincanucks previous posts, he explained that all applicants for a specific trade are graded according to how well they scored on the PT test, interview, CFAT, etc. and then a computer ranks their overall score from highest to lowest.  The list is given to the board and then offers are made to fill the quota (need 100, take the top 100).  Is that how DEO's are selected? 

In my case would all the infantry officer candidates get ranked according to how they scored on the various application processes (PT, CFAT, interview, etc.) and then offers made based on that ranked list alone?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2005, 13:36:33 »
Entering as an officier means you had to get a degree. Your grades probably count as an important part in the process, or does it not?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2005, 13:45:55 »
Can't give an answer as detalied as kincanucks can, but this is my understanding of it:

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In my case would all the infantry officer candidates get ranked according to how they scored on the various application processes (PT, CFAT, interview, etc.) and then offers made based on that ranked list alone?
My understanding is that the difference between NCM and Officer candidates is that your file will go to a selection board. So you will have a group of people taking a nice hard look at your file, and trying to decide if you would be good or not. I think Officers are still given a rank based upon the interview and test, but other aspects will come into play. Your University education (grades?), your physical condition (how active of a lifestyle do you have, sports?), Work experience, life experience, etc. etc.

I was told that on average there are 3 applicants for 1 Officer position. It can be a much more competitive position to obtain and in your application, you should do everything you can to make yourself as competitive as possible.    For example, during my follow up interview I brought in receipts for physical training classes I had been taking. They increased my score as a result. Why? Because instead of just saying, "Oh yea, I'm working out" I was able to show I really was working at it and taking it seriously.

If I am off about this, I am sure kincanucks will set it straight for us. ;)
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2005, 14:51:11 »
Hmm.... just what I needed.  I Assumed that since I have been following this forum since august last year that I would have seen a posting like that but that one was from Dec 2004 so I didn't look back far enough. 

Totally answered my question.  Thanks!
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2005, 04:02:53 »
While not discounting the importance of being as physically fit as possible, from what I understand the PT test is done on a pass/fail basis.  So as long as you pass then that's all that matters as far as how it affects your overall DEO application.  Although, I would assume that the more sports and physical activities you do in your free time would affect the application.  That doesn't mean to just do the bare minimum though as far as PT goes.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2005, 12:19:46 »
I have not done my PT test at all, and have already gone through the selection boards. So you are correct in that it does not come into play, it seems to be just a requirement that you must meet at some point.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2005, 16:24:46 »
I have not done my PT test at all, and have already gone through the selection boards. So you are correct in that it does not come into play, it seems to be just a requirement that you must meet at some point.

Correct.  When I was going through the application process I was told not to take the PT test until I received an offer.  Once an offer came in, I booked the PT test within a couple of days.  In the event that I had failed the PT test, my recruiting officer told me I would have been able re-try the test and pass it within a few weeks (3 or 4).  I imagine that having DEO candidates not take the test until receiving an offer is an effort to cut down on costs.  Good idea, far as I'm concerned.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2005, 17:25:08 »
All processing including the physical is to be complete in order to go to the selection board.  That is the standard now but it has been broken sometimes.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2006, 08:51:26 »
It has been decided by CFRG HQ that the requirement to hold DEO selection boards on fixed dates for "non-specialist occupations" those occupations that do not require specialist boards (NOAB, MPAC, etc) are no longer necessary.  Therefore starting 15 Apr 06 will be the date that CFRG will do its first round of selection for "non-specialist occupations" (everything but MARS, MPO and Legal) and approximately every six weeks after that there will another selection cycle until the IAP/BOTPs in Sep/Jan are filled.  The way it will work is that when the file is ready (everything is completed: CFAT, Interview, ERC, PT, Med, etc) for a non-specialist officer occupation it will be merit listed and it will be immediately sent to CFRG HQ for consdieration.  As always I am available for questions.
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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2006, 12:22:19 »
Kindly advise as to how the DEO Boards are now going to apply to DEO candidates to INT.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2006, 13:01:22 »
I have two questions.

1) What is "DEO"?

2) What you posted is regarding non specialist occupations. What happens in the example of a specialist trade?

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Re: DEO - Regular Force - General Questions
« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2006, 13:11:27 »
I have two questions.

1) What is "DEO"?
Direct Entry Officer.
2) What you posted is regarding non specialist occupations. What happens in the example of a specialist trade?
Officers don't have Specialist Trades like NCMs.  There are basically three Pay Scales for Officers, which also breakdown into different categories.  One for the majority of Officers, one for Pilot Officers and the third for Medical and Dental Officers.  If you search the DND site for Pay you will find them all broken down for you.  You will also find a lot more on DEO by using the SEARCH FUNCTION.
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