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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2004, 21:09:37 »
I think it was said best in Blackhawk Down the movie - sorry, no im not joining because of movies like some ppl i know - but at the end the Delta guy said, when ppl ask me why i do this, no matter what i tell them they dont understand, or something along those lines.
I had my chance at a degree, full scholarship...
I havent lived with my parents since i was 12 and do not get a long with them, they do not support anything i do so i just dont talk to them..
I worked my a$$ off to get into university, but once it became the time to pay my res off, i stopped the cheque and said... think about this.

I have lived an extrordinary life up until now, no point in going with the norm. I want to serve, help, and be known as someone who did it for his friends, family and all the things in life. University woulda got me a lot of money, nice house, nice car... but if i work at this i can be proud of what i did, and since i do have a beautiful girlfriend and a car, and pretty much my own house... and im only 19. I am going all the way... my way.

The brotherhood you find in the armed forces has only been known as legendary, even in the worst of times, we stick together, not competing for the highest grades but helping eachother out to be equal. Having a few brews afterwords when we have a good day, thats what its all about.

I do not believe in God, never have since i understood it. I believe in myself and thats all i need.  :army:

No one will ever understand why we do it...

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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2004, 08:38:26 »
maximum reespect mav !!!!!!!
I look forward to meeting you at our "hopefully" same bmq

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« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2004, 21:20:49 »
Good for you Maverick!

I did the same sort of thing, worked hard to put myself through college, got myself a fast car, then I start to realize I can't do the same old thing as everyone else, I need something real.  I'd rather listen to my 80 year old uncle talk about his time in world war II then listen to my 30 year old cousin talk about making $85000 a year sitting at a desk with his feet up. If I can't be proud of what I do then the job cant pay me enough to do it.

I hope to see you guys some time this fall for basic training

keep positive and like Maverick says "I believe in myself and thats all I need"

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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2004, 16:55:03 »
Wow another setback , my file has been transferred  from Missassauga to Toronto so there is now a bunch of new people handling it . Asked for an update the girl told me that the med file has just come in even though Missasauga has told me it came back on the 5th of this month , damn very hard to restrain yourself on the phone gotta remind meself that nothing will get accomplished if I bust out a bucket of shite for them to eat ... keep on top of them people . :army:

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« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2004, 23:31:38 »
May I ask out there who else is finished with this process and is on the merit list?????

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« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2004, 00:12:08 »
I was merit listed May 13 2004

my choice was regular force

1 infantry
2 combat engineer
3 aircraft structures tech

how about you? reg/reserve? choices?

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« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2004, 11:48:07 »
I'm at about the 14/15 month mark in my process right now and the last time I actually spoke to someone about my file was a month or so ago, I asked at that time about the merit list and was told there is no such thing. I am awaiting a return call from the recruiting centre today hopefully, and will definately ask once again.

I applied for Reg force- Combat Engineers, seems each time I speak to someone I get different answers to the same questions.

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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2004, 13:14:55 »
Trav if they told you their is no such thing as a Merit list, they are pulling you chain.
Start calling your recruitment office every week to two week's and asking questions.

And yes i know how you feel when you say you always get a different answer,
I went through all the Malarcgy for 13 months before i got my offer, the wait was worth it.

their is a serious serious flaw in our recruitment system, No one ever seems to know whats going on, infact the day before i got my offer i was in the CFRC barrie and asked about where i stand.

I was told, that i would not hear anything at least untill september, the next day i got my call.
that just goes to show, they really have no clue other then the higher ups that you dont ever speak to.

Make sure to tell them your concern, that you have been waiting 14 months already and any other concerns, these RO's are not getting paid to feed you false info, they are getting paid to manage your application and answer every question you have the best they can, and thats somtimes still not good enough.


good luck it will be worth it in the end.
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2004, 23:58:02 »
I'm going reg for Supply Tech #1 then MseOP #2 then Traffic tech #3 and waiting!!!!!
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2004, 06:01:54 »
I think that you have to remember that the recruiting system is not in place as an employment agency, you are not the client, the Canadian Forces is.  If you expect the CF to fall over itself to offer you employment you might be at the wrong place.  After 20 years in the CF and four of them in recruiting, I can confidently say the the CF has its' own interests in mind, not yours.

If you waited 12, 13, 18 months or more, there might be more to it than "they lost my file" or "it sat on someones desk."  You just might not be the best candidate for the job.  During the selection process it might be determined that you posess average military potential (MP5) and the Infantry will only hire someone at MP7 or higher, you wait untill the cows come home for an offer, in the mean time you can ***** and complain how you were mistreated or you can try to improve your military potential.

If you are waiting for an offer, you should ask your Interviewing Officer what you can do to improve your potential and suitability, it might be as easy as playing sports or going to the gym, volunteering in your community, or upgrading your education.

Also remember that the CF is understaffed, that also includes the recruiting system, sometimes you just have to wait your turn.

 
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« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2004, 06:59:10 »
I finished all the steps in the application process about 1 month ago in Hamilton.
I too was told that I had been "Merit Listed".
My MOC of choice is the 291 Comm Research.  I am told that they are looking at an opening in the 3rd quarter which is the Fall 2004.   The recruiter at the front desk informed me that this could be at the earliest in the begginning of September or at the lastest in the middle of October.  However, he did tell me that this is subject to change at a moment's notice because basically what determines whether or not the trade is open is : a) enough people have registered to warrant sending to BMQ
                       b) whether it coincides with the times the BMQ and subsequent SQ courses are held.

Apparently, they could phone you one day to tell you the good news about an actual date for BMQ to begin and that would be roughly 2-3 before -- just to give you enough time to prepare things here during your training.

About the merit list -- I inquired at the front desk about it and he told me there was no relative ranking based on your test scores....I don't know if this is entirely accurate or if I misunderstood...For instance, after my physical test I knew that I exceeded  all the base-line pre-requisites and I wanted to know where I ranked on the Merit List and they told me it was just Pass or Fail because sometimes there are so many candidates to be tested they don't have time to wait for someone to show they can do 62 push-ups instead of the 22 needed....



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« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2004, 09:38:31 »
Being merit listed doesn't mean that you are going to get an offer, if 100 people are merit listed and you are listed as #99, you could still have a long wait. Your standing on the merit list is determined by your overall military potential, the person who conducted your interview has a list of assessment factors that they use to determine your military potential, one of them is physical fitness.  Testing is not just pass or fail, everything is considered, how well you scored on the CFAT, physical fitness, education, so on. 
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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2004, 09:59:42 »
I too am applying for MOC 291 Comm Research.  Did I understand right, there will be "one" opening in Fall 2004?  Only "one" opening?   If this is the case, man, if 100 of us across Canada have applied for this then our chances of getting into this MOC is like "0"

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« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2004, 12:00:24 »
looking2enlist

Who told you there was only "one" position avail for 291?
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« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2004, 13:08:40 »
Hajdut777, two messages above me.  He sort of implies that there is only one position available.

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« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2004, 13:18:57 »
I doubt they're going to run a course with 1 person. Although there might alot of ppl in a PAT platoon waiting for course.

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« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2004, 17:55:02 »
were all gonna get there, August will be a magical month but september will bethe month business will be taken care of. trust me. all the info i have lead to that and my recruiting centre seems VERY organized and VERY informative with dates and such. so wait it out, more time to improve yourself and get ready for the big test.  :army:

hajdut777

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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2004, 23:09:18 »
Sorry man, I didn't mean to imply "one" position....My mistake....

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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2004, 21:46:10 »
Sorry I didn't have time before to expand upon what I meant....

I was informed that they were waiting enough applicants to the 291 before they would send all of those chosen (I guess after choosing from the merit list)  to BMQ in St. Jean.  I don't know how often this opening comes about but I do not think it is as frequent as some other MOC trades....They simply gave me a rough timeline of the "3rd quarter" of 2004 which means sometime in the fall when they would like to put those applying to the 291 through the BMQ and SQ together.
This Friday I get half a day off work and I would like to visit the recruiting centre to see if there is any more recent  information they can give me about when we would be getting a phone call....

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« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2004, 09:08:25 »
 :cdn: I would like to comment on the post by tracker in the reply to cath Taylor.
you mention Military potential. I am an X Member Of the RCR with a a couple of Tours under my belt.I went to renllist to Material Tech I am a certified Machinist And  a Ceritfied millwright. i wanted semi skilled and the add from the CF clearly states that you only need some of the MOC to qualify for this entry plan. However some retired warrant officer who has all the say in Borden said That since I didn't have autobody I could not obtain semi skilled status but that I was a strong candiate.

So don't give your excuses Tracker you sound like the rest of the recruiters.

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« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2004, 10:52:48 »
What does the merit list have to do with this?   Complain is PM's or in the thread you are talking about plz.
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« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2004, 12:39:19 »
ruksak what the hell do your post have to do with the topic?
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« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2004, 17:40:43 »
I completed my Medical and Interview about a month ago and the recruiting officer said I would be placed on the merrit list around the begining of Augest. I still havn't recieved a call on my status yet (maybe I should give them a call to see where my file is  ???). I'm going for Reg Force Infantry...
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« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2004, 21:15:02 »
rucksac

I am not sure what your comment has to do with the topic you chose to post it under.  Anyway, being considered "skilled" or "semi-skilled" is only a small portion of determining your military potential, as is previous service and "a couple of tours under your belt."

Did the add you are referring to specify what areas of the MOC you needed? 

If the "retired warrant officer who has all the say in Borden" says you are not semi-skilled, then you are not semi-skilled.  We probably have enough machinists and millwrights but are short in the auto body area.

At the risk of sounding "like the rest of the recruiters," have you considered the Navy?

I didn't think I was giving excuses, just telling it like it is, if the rest of you in this forum think I'm making excuses, let me know and I'll keep my comments to myself.
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2004, 07:33:14 »
OK maybe I made a mistake of posting under the wrong heading I should have commented directly to you Tracker. Now having said that, You and I both know the Armed forces will try and channel people to areas where there is a void. not necessarily where the person wants to go or is best suited to. if you look at the trade Mat Tech 441 on the Recruiting site you Will see the requirements. i was referring to the the semi skilled entry plan where it states that one would only need some or part of the MOC.

I doubt the CF has enough Machinist and Millwrights, I Know of people who spent 10 years in and had to write for their ticket after they left the Forces.

As far as all the entrance requirements to the Armed Forces I aced them all, PT.Interview.Aptitude etc: Sorry about the comment about excuses I guess I was just a bit frustrated. :salute: