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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #350 on: October 22, 2016, 17:29:16 »
Danteh,

I served, as a firefighter at Greenwood, Shearwater and Borden prior to getting out. Different bases had different ideas about the 24 hour shift, some places only needed one day leave because your work day is 24 hours. This is the answer we had back in Shearwater when we looked at going 24 hour shifts, the other reason was feeding people as there were thoughts that they would have to provide meals of some sort.

As far as the training I've been around long enough to know that some places the training was not being done even under the  10/14 hour shifts. My last place I worked was the school, that made it real clear that some places, not all places where not doing all the training. It would even vary among the crews at the same hall, all depends on the WO/Sgt you had.

Being at the school I talked to senior people through out the trade, these were answers that I heard from them. I understand about the deployment part, I've been deployed. They have deployed civilian contractors to other countries (prior to Afghanistan), so that can be done, just not with DND firefighters. It was done in Bosnia with SNC, I believe. And prior to this believe it or not the military use to deploy without firefighters. That is something that we've done in the past, but not with the numbers that we have done recently. It is only the last little while that we would do domestic deployments for firefighters. For the longest time the way you got deployment medals was when you were deployed on the ships (I know we are coming off of the ships, and I've lost count of the number of times I'd heard that would never happen because of various reasons).

I've got no bone to pick in this, I'm out of the trade. I'm just saying that in the past 14 years that I was in many of these ideas came up, went away and came back again. It happened even more when you talk to the firefighters from years ago as well.

Just remember that DND civilian firefighters are not the only option they have if they wanted to go that route. Many places have lost their love of DND firefighters due to the overtime issues. Some bases now only have civilian departments responding, Kingston use to have a military fire department not anymore. Other places have had rumours floating around about going that route as well. The fire trade is small and if they were looking for ways to cut, stranger things have happened, especially when not a lot of people know that we have military firefighters. And we do not have a large call volume. I know previous CFFM's have been trying to push more fire prevention then fire suppression and having the numbers reflect that as well. Like I mentioned the good idea fairy keeps revolving and what was out of favour before becomes the next great idea.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #351 on: October 22, 2016, 17:55:41 »
As far as the training I've been around long enough to know that some places the training was not being done even under the  10/14 hour shifts. My last place I worked was the school, that made it real clear that some places, not all places where not doing all the training. It would even vary among the crews at the same hall, all depends on the WO/Sgt you had.

That honestly has nothing to do with the shift but the crew chiefs and up. I have seen alot of instances where people were just signed off on their 4's package because the school needed people to fill a course.

I've got no bone to pick in this, I'm out of the trade. I'm just saying that in the past 14 years that I was in many of these ideas came up, went away and came back again. It happened even more when you talk to the firefighters from years ago as well.

Oh I agree completely. The trade is so much different than it was when I first got in.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #352 on: October 22, 2016, 22:32:55 »
Thanks ff149 and Dantech. I do realize there are quite a few changes happening. Currently have a few friends in the trade who were out here in Esquimalt. Would either of you happen to know what the current state of the halls are looking like personnel wise? I do know that no matter what the CM is going to place you where he needs you the most obviously, but if one wanted to go to Comox, Edmonton or Trenton etc..What were/are the chances of getting your choice of base?

I am assuming based solely off the facts that firefighters have been pulled off the ships, and the BPSO (at least here in Esquimalt) is conducting remuster applications for the trade monthly or as they come across their desk, that the trade is in a hard spot right now. Just weighing out possibilities for what could be. Im all for the adventures of moving to a random place, but love the mirage of thinking I had something to do with my future postings.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #353 on: October 22, 2016, 23:08:01 »
And now for the noob question, having been in now for 12 years, I have seen FF deploy...On ships. I had noticed one of you state that deployments do happen as a firefighter, I am just wondering what kind of deployments you would be involved with? Sorry for being completely oblivious to the situation lol
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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #354 on: October 22, 2016, 23:28:03 »
Scuba Dave,

Postings change constantly so what is available now will probably be changed by the time you get on course. What has happened before (and each CM is different) is that the CM will give a list of bases available part way through the course. People are then given sometime to think about where they want to go. If there is a legitimate reason for requesting a certain base (compassionate etc) you would ask then, with appropriate paperwork. I've seen courses where everyone was able to work it out among themselves and got what they wanted, I've also seen courses where they leave it up to the CM to decide. Usually that is for people going to Cold Lake.

The trade has always had a problem with retention. People get in the trade, go somewhere they don't want to go, find it different from what they thought it was going to be and decide it is not for them. The military can not compete with the pay that civilian fire halls offer and some people use the trade for training to give them a leg up in getting on a civilian department. I know they are trying to reduce the postings both for morale reasons and also for budget reasons.

Just saw the other post. Firefighters have been deployed to Afghanistan both in KAF and on FOB's. We have also gone on domestic deployments (G8/20 in Huntsville). Sometimes they will go to other exercises in Canada. As well there have been firefighters deployed in recent areas and I believe some still are. They have also deployed to Nepal, and Hati for HUSAR. Some of these deployments are for fire fighting or crash protection, some are for fire prevention/inspection reasons. Depending on the reason for the deployment would dictate what rank or qualification would be required. Generally inspection/prevention deployments require a higher rank (both because of the training required and for how other trades deal with you). I've done both domestic deployments and overseas. It can be hit or miss as to who gets them. HUSAR would be Comox or Trenton. The rest depends on the generating authority and which element gets tasked with coming up with the people (army, navy, or RCAF) although with the firefighters coming off of the ships and I believe Shearwater falling under Greenwood now there may not be any firefighters falling under Navy command.

The trade has not done a very good job of letting people know that there are military firefighters although that has changed in the last 10 years. I've had army officers come to me (when I was in our cadpat coveralls) and ask if that was the uniform I wore when I wasn't in Pet. He didn't realize that there were military firefighters. As well I've had an air force officer think that after the tower closed in Shearwater we went home, not knowing that we were there 24/7 for the rest of the base not just the Sea Kings.

With all its challenges the trade is very interesting. A lot of it is what you make of it and how your crew is.

Hope that helps.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #355 on: October 23, 2016, 01:16:49 »
Totally helps! I know I can't believe how many folks don't realize that there are military firefighters. Surprisingly even folks here in Esquimalt. Lots of interesting things ahead, can't wait for this part of my career to start. Having been in the Navy and seen/worked with quite a few firefighters onboard ship, I am quite surprised this didnt happen sooner in my career, I digress!

Thanks again for the info. I am certain I will have many more questions in the future, so thanks for being around to answer them

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #356 on: October 23, 2016, 09:06:02 »
HUSAR would be Comox or Trenton.

For anyone interested in HUSAR,

Vancouver (CAN-TF1) Heavy Urban Search and Rescue
http://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/urban-search-and-rescue.aspx

Calgary (CAN-TF2) Heavy Urban Search and Rescue
http://www.cantf2.com/#about

Toronto (CAN-TF3) Heavy Urban Search and Rescue
http://torontoparamedicservices.ca/special-units-teams/heavy-urban-search-and-rescue/

Manitoba (CAN-TF4) Urban Search and Rescue
http://www.firecomm.gov.mb.ca/usar_team.html

Manitoba is USAR.

The aim is also to develop HUSAR capacity in Montreal (Quebec) and Halifax (Nova Scotia).
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/mrgnc-mngmnt/rspndng-mrgnc-vnts/hvyrbn-srch-rsc-en.aspx

 



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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #357 on: October 23, 2016, 10:26:06 »
ff149 pretty much summed it all up.

The halls from what I hear are somewhat hurting. I believe Cold Lake has gone down to three crews and Greenwood is down to three crews for PCs. Even Trenton is hurting in a sense. Take my crew for example. We have our PC, 1 Master and 7 QL3/QL4s. We are so bottom heavy now that its hard for supervisor roles to take leave. You are right that the CM will put you where he needs you but your posting preference will always be considered. Our new CM is really good from what I hear so that is a plus. Again I cant really speak for other bases, but if they are as bottom heavy as Trenton is, your likely to get your posting preference. The CM is more worried about moving around MCpls and up to fill the halls with leadership.


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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #358 on: October 23, 2016, 11:06:19 »
The main issue for supervisors is that most of them (us) had over 20 years service and were of the age where we had to make a decision to either stick with the military until 60 or get out when we did. That was my options. The trade has a huge gap between the people with 10 years service and 20 years (if I remember the last CM briefing which I saw, that was in 2015). The bigger issue is now there are people being promoted into positions where they wouldn't be considered for years ago. People coming to the school after one posting as a firefighter. Which can be good to get younger blood and thoughts into places, but they are coming in with very little experience. The same goes for the fire halls, Platoon Chiefs are getting less and less experience. Or are coming from slower bases.

Marionmike,

As far as I can remember the military fire fighters would not be used for domestic deployments, unless it is a major event. The military fire fighters are the primary team for over seas deployments through the federal government. With the team from Trenton probably being the first to deploy. The main issue is keeping everyone current and the cost of training as people get posted out of those two units. There was talk at one point about incorporating HUSAR training into the QL3/QL5 level training, but I'm not sure where that stands. 

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #359 on: October 23, 2016, 11:28:39 »
Marionmike,

As far as I can remember the military fire fighters would not be used for domestic deployments, unless it is a major event. The military fire fighters are the primary team for over seas deployments through the federal government. With the team from Trenton probably being the first to deploy. The main issue is keeping everyone current and the cost of training as people get posted out of those two units. There was talk at one point about incorporating HUSAR training into the QL3/QL5 level training, but I'm not sure where that stands.

Toronto HUSAR ( CAN - TF3 ), although well trained, does not have a lot of operational experience,

June 2016 - Mississauga natural gas explosion
June 2012 - Collapse of the Algo Centre Mall roof/parking structure in Elliot Lake, Ontario
August 2011 - Goderich Tornado
April 2003 - Bloor Street West natural gas explosion in Toronto




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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #360 on: October 23, 2016, 15:35:35 »
I dont see any situation where firefighters would be deployed domestically for USAR unless a major USAR team was hit in the disaster. The Trenton and Comox USAR teams are recce and surface rescue. In no way could we replace a HUSAR team. The only reason why were not considered light is because light teams have K9 capabilities which we dont. The other USAR teams that I have had the pleasure of working with are the best at what they do. In no way could we replace them. The experience and training they have puts them FAR ahead of any of us.

There is alot of moving pieces to get USAR deployed and I have yet to see it work properly.

There was a thing that came down from Ottawa saying they wanted every member of Trenton and Comox USAR capable. Then when they get posted out, the plan was for them to pass the knowledge onto their new halls. Obviously there are some major flaws in that.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #361 on: November 30, 2016, 23:13:45 »
I've also seen courses where they leave it up to the CM to decide. Usually that is for people going to Cold Lake.

Im assuming then, that if I were wanting to go to Cold Lake, the chances are high? Is there a virus in Cold Lake? Zombies? LOL...I know it isn't the most desirable posting, but it can't be THAT bad...
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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #362 on: November 30, 2016, 23:16:56 »
Im assuming then, that if I were wanting to go to Cold Lake, the chances are high? Is there a virus in Cold Lake? Zombies? LOL...I know it isn't the most desirable posting, but it can't be THAT bad...

18 pages of information and discussion here,

CFB Cold Lake Thread- Merged 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=3933.0
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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #363 on: December 01, 2016, 07:30:28 »
Im assuming then, that if I were wanting to go to Cold Lake, the chances are high? Is there a virus in Cold Lake? Zombies? LOL...I know it isn't the most desirable posting, but it can't be THAT bad...

If you wanted to go to cold lake and passed the screening you will most likely go. I cant speak for others but I dont have any desire to go to cold lake because its expensive to live in, its isolated, its the furthest possible posting for me away from my family and I am a city boy so country living isn't my thing. I know people who love it up there, I also know people who cant wait to get out.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #364 on: December 06, 2016, 20:25:25 »
I keep hearing of this high cost of living thing up there. We had friends of the family (Not military) living in Bonnyville, they said it's quite comparable to other cities. And after reading the Cold Lake thread, in some aspects it seems a lot cheaper than Victoria currently is lol. Im paying $1200 a month for a 2 bedroom basement suite right now that we somehow managed to jam myself and 2 kids into. Plus we are kind of urban rednecks as it is. Hunting, fishing, all that is already in our lives. Im more worried about the cold personally lol
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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #365 on: January 21, 2017, 19:52:53 »
Well, things are looking up! Cant remember if I mentioned it prior to this but passed the fitness test a while ago, and just got an email from the boss that I have my BPSO interview 17 Feb 17!
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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #366 on: February 06, 2018, 14:52:40 »
Anyone currently applying for Firefighter ? Curious if anyone's had a PLAR completed and how long it took. Also, does anyone know if the selections start in April?  I'm really hoping to get an offer for 2018/2019.



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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #367 on: April 05, 2018, 20:58:53 »
Update,  made the competition list. Has anyone else applied or gotten an offer yet ?

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #368 on: April 05, 2018, 21:00:30 »
Update,  made the competition list. Has anyone else applied or gotten an offer yet ?

Congrats. The trades hurting so the more people the better.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #369 on: April 05, 2018, 22:22:57 »
Congrats. The trades hurting so the more people the better.

Danteh, are you in the trade ? I'm trying to get in direct entry.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #370 on: April 05, 2018, 22:35:02 »
Danteh, are you in the trade ? I'm trying to get in direct entry.

Yup. Been in for almost 9 years now.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #371 on: April 05, 2018, 22:37:49 »
Yup. Been in for almost 9 years now.


Nice. You remuster or de?

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #372 on: April 05, 2018, 22:39:00 »

Nice. You remuster or de?

Remustered from the infantry.

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Re: All Things CF Firefighter (merged)
« Reply #373 on: April 16, 2018, 21:03:55 »
Does anyone know when selections are for Firefighter this year ?