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Offline Allgunzblazing

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2011, 15:21:28 »
I am an aspiring soldier and I take strong exception to what you refer to as "crazy traditions". Every military unit (be it an element, regiment, battalion or even a platoon) has its own traditions. Some of these traditions are hundreds of years old. Members take pride in this legacy. While some of these traditions may not be agreeable to others or even to those within the same unit, they are to be respected.

Did they not teach you this in Cadets? I feel sorry for the squadron that you are in. As for your brother - I highly doubt that he is indeed an officer in the CF, or if he is then he surely does not seem to possess any OLQs (officer-like-qualities).

Do us a favour and consider another profession. The CF have already spent a couple of thousands on putting your through the Cadets program. There are tons of civilian careers where you can be pushing files and never have to set foot outside your local community.

As said before, I am not a soldier as yet. Any serving or retired members are welcome to correct me.

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2011, 11:41:12 »
^Please calm down.  Your first post here being an attack doesn't exactly demonstrate your fine qualities either.

To original poster.

If you seriously think an engineering degree is going to be too much work maybe you should consider something different.  I graduated with a mechanical engineering degree and am now trying to joing the reserves as an EME officer.  On my first day in class one of my professors (who became one of my favourite professors) told the entire class to "look to your left and look to your right, only one of you is going to graduate."  I became friends with the two guys I was sitting beside and I was the only one who graduated (one of the guys did end up getting his degree this year though but 3 years after I got mine).  Tons of people drop out of engineering and if you are already afraid of the work load you probably aren't going to succeed until you've had a chance to discipline yourself.  Also an Engineering Officer is probably one of the more difficult officer positions so I am sure those courses wouldn't be a cakewalk either.

Maybe you should reconsider your selections and look at some NCM positions.  I can see that your brother being an officer he would encourage you to do the same but maybe it's not for you.  There are a lot more NCM positions that officer positions to choose from (although I can't comment on the availability of those positons) but you might find something that is more interesting.

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2011, 20:07:20 »
To Allgunzblazing and CDN Aviator: I apologize if I had offended you by posting that comment. Obviously my brother didn't actually beat down on any elements he just doesn't want me to have a hard time and to be successful in life. Besides I paraphrased, I only remembered some key stuff he said and strung it together and posted it. I will change it so I don't offend anyone in the future, but seriously take it easy... I didn't make this thread for you guys to express your opinion on some random topic, I created it to get some advice and suggestions to help me find a career in the forces or steer me in a better direction..

To Animatronic Fireman and pfinlayson: Thanks for your help I apperciate it. I awknowledge that engineering is a lot of work, and thanks for putting it into perspective (Fireman), however if I decide that an officer, or engineering is the field I want to go in I will try my hardest. That being said I am still deciding, I am hoping to hear more about the signals officer trade. Anyway Thanks a lot your advice helped me.

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2011, 20:16:34 »
Quote from: A.Khan link=topic=102452.msg1076191#msg1076191
didn't make this thread for you guys to express your opinion on some random topic, I created it to get some advice and suggestions to help me find a career in the forces or steer me in a better direction..


I was not commenting on some random topic. You got garbage advice from your brother and I was helping you by setting things straight.

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2011, 20:28:56 »
I was not commenting on some random topic. You got garbage advice from your brother and I was helping you by setting things straight.

Hm, thanks for setting thing straight. But unless you can provide some actual advice or suggestions (which shouldn't be hard for you since you have an impressive military history) I don't thing your actually "helping" me out.   

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Re: Signals Officer and Combat Eng. Question
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2011, 17:20:42 »
To A.Khan - I sincerely apologize for the acidic tone of my message.

As for the question about choosing an occupation - choose a trade that you would really like to be in till retirement. I have found the staff in the RC to be exceptionally professional and helpfull. They will never try to "sell" a trade because it is currently understrength. Another option to consider is visiting the local Signals and Combat Engineers squadrons. If you tell them your dilemma, the staff there will gladly arrange a time when you can visit the squadron and know more about the job. Even if the nearest unit is a Reserve one and you tell them that you're a Reg Force candidate, chances are high that they will be most helpfull. I say this from personal experience.

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Signals Officer
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 11:43:37 »
I've been scrolling through this site for about a week straight now trying to get more information on Signals Officers. There is a lot of information on signals operators but doesn't answer my questions. I know that training occurs in Kingston but there is no mention of how long the training is there for an officer. Does anyone know?

Also I'm interested in hearing what people like or dislike about the trade? I've applied for it this year and am waiting to be processed but I would just like to be as prepared as possible as far as what to expect.

Any information would be appreciated. Thank you

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Re: Signals Officer
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2012, 12:10:53 »
We have a whole Communications and Electronics Branch board on this forum that probably has quite a bit of information on Signal Officer.

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Re: Signals Officer
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2012, 10:45:54 »
Thank you, I will do some more digging.

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Signal Officer Training
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2012, 16:46:52 »
I have been searching high and low for the current course progression for new Reserve Sig O's. including the length of each phase/mod.

Most of my findings have been very outdated. Is anyone up on this?


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Re: Signal Officer Training
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 07:58:35 »
According to the CFSCE site, BSOC Mod 1 is 56 training days and Mod 2 is 43 training days.  This is for both Reg and Res.
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Re: Signal Officer Training
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2012, 08:15:16 »
Just pulled up the CFSCE Course Calendar, there seems to be confilicting information from one page to another.  The Sig O DP1 is 79 days (PRes Mod 1 28 Days and Mod 2 51 days).

Not sure which one is correct.
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P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2013, 17:00:35 »
So I'm going to be a Signals officer after I graduate with my degree in Computer Engineering. (I have 2 more years until then).

I want to get my P. Eng designation from the Professional Engineers of Ontario, but we need to have 48 months of professional engineering experience (12 of which must be from within Canada).

I have heard that as a Signals Officer I will not be exposed to "engineering" throughout my career. Is this true? Am I really going to have to leave the military to get my P. Eng?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2013, 17:17:36 »
You wouldn't necessarily have to leave the military since there's a great variety of engineering trades within it. Instead of going sigs, you could apply for one of those.

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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2013, 17:43:59 »
I'm going Sigs, that's been decided for a long time. I'm just wondering about if this rumour I've heard is true. Are there possibilities of getting engineering experience as a SigO?

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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2013, 18:45:56 »
After looking at Wikipedia to see exactly what a Computer Engineering degree entails, I doubt you'll be doing much of that stuff at all. You're an officer, and will administer Signals NCMs in providing communications networks. Maybe later in your career you'll get to work in project management, where you'll define CAF requirements, but you won't be designing the nuts and bolts yourself.

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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2013, 21:12:31 »
From the point of view of someone who has a P.Eng., you won't need to leave the military to obtain your P.Eng. Designation.

I would suggest that you discuss this with the PEO registrar to determine what is acceptable experience in your field. Register with PEO as soon as you are eligible to do so. Meet with your assigned Mentor and discuss your situation with him/her.

You may be surprised as to what is considered as acceptable experience. Particularly when you are placed in positions of responsibility, leadership and management skills, and so forth. Being an engineer of any sort is not all technical skills. You will do many things over your career (either military or civilian) that aren't directly related to the technical aspects of your degree, but are still skills that an engineer needs to have.

But the best advice you can get right now is to dialog with PEO and get their input. Your situation is not unique, and is actually quite common. They have dealt with many before you, and may even be able to direct you to CF members who can give you more details on how they dealt with their 4 years of EIT experience. 
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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2013, 21:13:45 »
Similar to the above post.  Go on PEO's website, contact a mentor/PEO representative in your area, and have a meeting with him and inquire about Engineer-In-Training.  They will decide (Mentor/PEO) whether your current job entails engineering work (hint: engineers do not always do hard engineering, but often manage engineering related operations or work with something related to engineering).  If eligible then the clock will start when you became a CELE/SigO and of course dues will be appropriately assessed for time served in Ontario.

From my own experience (dealing with APENS, not PEO), I commissioned as a MSEO at 22 June 2009, which was deemed when the clock started for my EIT (even though I did not enroll into EIT until 2011).  Thus I had to pay dues retroactively to APENS for EIT as all time was done in Nova Scotia. Since I had 2 years experience logged off the get, I did my NPPE exam (NPPE is much easier than PEO's PPE).  I will be seeking my P.Eng license from APENS come this June since its the 4 year mark.

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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2013, 21:32:01 »
Talking with a SigO beside me, unless you get into a project management position, the chances of getting it as a SigO are slim.
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Re: P. Eng Experience as a Sigs / CELE Officer?
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2013, 06:46:35 »
Caution: 1) I'm not an engineer; and 2) I've been retired for a long time; but:

I knew several Signals officers who were also PEngs - they were, mainly, officers who, at about the rank of capt or maj, left the field force and specialized in engineering. Many rose to the comfortable rank of colonel, having spent most of their careers, after grad school, in Ottawa. But the PEng qualified officers who worked for me (when I headed up a quite specialized directorate in NDHQ) were MARE and CELE(Air) (I had one Signals officer - a BSEE but not a PEng, as I recall - on staff when I arrived, but I fired him for cause).

There was, and I'm guessing still is, a requirement for a modest Signals engineering cadre, but the officers who work in and lead it must have a good grounding in a Signals officers core business - supporting combat units in the field - before becoming technical specialists.
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Question about Signal Officer
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2013, 14:10:24 »
Hi , I was reading previous Signal Officer forums on the site.

It seems that to join as a Signal Officer you would need a degree in electronics or computer science ( from what I understood ) but the latest answer was in 2004 ...

If I check on the Forces.ca Website  a a DEO , this is what they say : If you already have a university degree, the Canadian Forces will decide if your academic program matches the criteria for this job and may place you directly into the required on-the-job training program following basic training. basic training and military officer qualification training are required before being assigned.


So my question is : is is still Electronic and Computers related degree ? or it changed from 2004 ?

I'm still digging more into the other forums , but if anyone has the answer , I would greatly appreciate
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Re: Question about Signal Officer
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2013, 18:47:47 »
I recomend you to visit your local CFRC to get all information.According my experience it can be different time to time and trade to trade.

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Re: Question about Signal Officer
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2013, 12:48:59 »
yeah that's what I was planning on , but my CRFC was closed yesterday ( vacation ) so I thought about asking it here ! but I do plan on calling them , and also figure out what exactly the job is , since the video does show you the nicest things , but I'm looking into a typical day as a SIG O ....
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Re: Question about Signal Officer
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2013, 17:40:48 »
but I'm looking into a typical day as a SIG O ....

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